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The Gallifreyan Concept

Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 7:58 pm
by GhostyGoo
Many of you will be familiar with Timelord fantasy and some of you will know i have a massive affinity with Doctor Who. Fans will know he has a few traits specific to his race, the Timelords. He regenerates completely when mortally wounded, he has a secondary heart giving him a superhuman pulmonary system, he is immune to many diseases (except spectrox poisoning lol) and can withstand radiation. So, what's the point Ghosty?
Heh.
I've been interested in Shamanistic beliefs for many years and have done literally years of research and watched many schools of thought come to very similar conclusions i have come to myself. I'm talking about awakening the potential within our "broken" DNA. Have a read of this, it's very user friendly but also (due to this user friendly nature) only the tip of a VERY large esoterical iceberg.
http://www.deeptrancenow.com/exc_resonancedna.htm
See what i'm getting at? Anyone for discussing? :D

Re: The Gallifreyan Concept

Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 8:07 pm
by Colton
I find this type of research very interesting and will be keeping a close eye on this topic :)

You should go hit up KMA Avenger and ask him to post some of his thoughts on this, I'm sure it'd be a good long read :-D

Re: The Gallifreyan Concept

Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 8:41 pm
by GhostyGoo
I've been researching it for as long as i can remember lol, and for much longer than the internet has existed. It's only just becoming recognised as scientifically viable. The discovery that DNA emits photons was very important to the general research.
Some esoterical beliefs revolve around some of us achieving this "fixed" state and causing a massive planetwide chain reaction of sorts through resonance. Furthermore some really radical believers think this is going to happen in 2012 as predicted by many shamanistic cultures. Basically, this revolves around the vibrations/resonate frequencies of the planet and the rest of the universe. Every heavenly body and also space itself resonates and (it would seem) most of it is increasing and at a very fast pace. It's my belief that our planet is a massive measuring device for how many of us are beginning to vibrate/resonate at the correct frequency for change. The prediction is that in 2012 the planet will be resonating at the same frequency as the rest of the universe and that life on our planet will undergo a change both spiritually and physically. Again, radical believers think we will cease to communicate through the spoken word, that we will achieve a higher form of communication through light, essentially we would emit photons to communicate.
Many clues are all around us in nature and in science - much of it in maths and how computers have helped us understand emergent systems. Fractal patterns for instance, the fibonacci sequence and the golden spiral we see so much in nature.
My main interest in a very real sense, something we can all do better for ourselves and others is one very simple realisation -
There are only actually two types of emotion; fear and love. I know, Donny Darko did a very good job of making a mockery of this belief but, in my sense of it i think it holds water. All of our intentions grow fundamentally from either fear or love, surely this is academic despite it's being battered unscrupulously by Donny Darko lol? Incidentally i LOVE the film. I digress. All matter vibrates, resonates and DNA is certainly no exception to this rule. In fact quite the opposite because as DNA is resonated certain sites are "switched on" as it were. DNA which has a more frequent resonance has is more switched on and therefore emits a stronger photon count. How is this all connected to emotions and intents? Well, emotions can also be measured in terms of resonance and guess what? Yep..the resonant frequency of fear is a very low wave frequency and the resonance of love is a very high wave frequency thus, having more intentions motivated through love causes your DNA to emit a stronger photon stream!
All in all we could finally be on the brink of scientifically proving why love is culturally connected to light and enlightenment. The Mayans said that in 2012 the human race would become beings of light; i don't think this is literally true but is only an example of how limited our words can be. I think the message is one of resonance - in 2012 humans will begin to resonate light.
My favourite anecdote regards this is, "When you take a candle into a room full of darkness, the light will spread and the darkness will flee. The same can never be said of darkness, you cannot come into a room full of light with an amount of darkness and see the light fleeing from the darkness".
Feel free to direct anyone here who is interested in upward regulation of the resonant frequencies in DNA :D ...or anyone interested in explaining how and why our ancestors could shapeshift and we cannot :D

Re: The Gallifreyan Concept

Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 10:25 pm
by [KMA]Avenger
can it be true??? Ghosty Goo...is that you? :o

*crys tears of joy*

good to have you back matey :D :D





http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... tion&hl=en

Re: The Gallifreyan Concept

Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 3:30 am
by semper
This is very interesting Goo! I have recently been exploring the ideas of life after death (albeit not at any great length thus far, as unfortunately I am working a lot.)

None the less.. I was starting to explore the idea that humans did have potential to do more... it's been a theme that runs throughout mankind's entire history. We have symbols like Jesus christ.. and of course the power of our imagination, which so far has literally been able to produce things that have cropped up within it.. a loose series of thoughts, but then I began to look at zerop point energy and how supposedly it binds all things together (Star Wars = the force?) and as we have no direct indication as to what 'thoughts' really are in a physical sense, as such it has been suggested they exist abstract from the rest of the body.

Now, so far.. no one, except the questionable Christ, has broken the power of anonymity, even non-existence in death. I began to question whether it would be somehow possible, to find a way to maintain ones self within the entropy of the afterlife.

A rather romantic notion, and not exactly a full proof theory..but I will leave it to your imagination from there.

I will read your suggested article, and get back to this thread later.

ahhhh.. nothing like aa fake day off (a day off in which one is off from work, yet has enough jobs to fill up the rest of the day..)

Re: The Gallifreyan Concept

Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 7:34 am
by Taure
About as believable as Harry Potter coming true.

I'll believe it when the scientific community as a whole accepts it, or even begins to do some proper, peer reviewed, rigorous research into it and comes back with positive results.

Until then it's just more New Age nonsense.

Re: The Gallifreyan Concept

Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 12:34 pm
by GhostyGoo
Taure, interesting answer considering the icon you choose to adorn your forum presence with. Iconography is important in all of this and i think you are being somewhat rash in your answer, especially if you are also a fan of Star Gate - much of the science fiction within the stargate universe concerning ascension is based upon this shamanistic belief system in "lost" religions as it were. Still, there's nothing like a healthy dose of antagonism in one's thread, especially considering the subject matter however, i would have hoped for some citations or such instead of simply blind disbelief. Blind disbelief is as bad as blind belief in my book, it is a means to the same ignorant ends. Most antagonists i come across lend themselves quite neatly to the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics which is always interesting to chat about however i just don't get my teeth into you, sadly. Still, feel free to pop back if you wish to antagonise further - i am never one to shy away from a good bit of debunking! You will find my knowledge of the current scientific paradigm rather complete and certainly unabridged - i always say, "know your enemy" heh heh.

Greetings Semper, good to see you dude. I'm very interested in your philosophical point, we certainly do not have the slightest clue about what types of thing makes up a thought or indeed even how we as beings can possibly be being to have such a thing if such a thing like a thought actually exists! Certainly the easiest way to get around it would be to follow determinism, thus locking thoughts and intents up in a neatly irrelevant shaped room. It doesn't matter what thoughts and ideas are made of or the types of things they might be like because they effect upon nothing as every last moment in existence is predefined by moment 1. Everything which follows the exact moment the physical universe was created is simply a deterministic route based soley upon that movement into being. Us, your computer, stubbing your toe as you rise from your bed..none of it is anything like anything we can act upon or change as it is all routed firmly in event one. A very difficult philosophy to refute, determinism, since no one yet can travel time and effect alteration on reality thus perverting the course of events to a measurable degree from the movement one based outcome. Even then it can be easily argued that timetravel was also a factor in the future of movement one and you've essentially, only furthered the deterministic state by travelling time and effecting change! Very hard to refute. Determinism doesn't work for me though, i place too much face in cognition and it's apparent propensity to occur in the brain before events occur. I see the universe as only varying degrees of weak and strong future and this depends upon the intensity of those acting their intentions, thoughts, desires upon it. This all ties up nicely with other things you mention in regards to existence as i also believe in strong and weak death. If you have much effort/energy or planning in your present for your intentions and desires for the future then you are said to have a strong link to the future and you are being-towards-a-strong-future (as opposed to simply being) and if you have little interest in your future you are said to have only a weak link and are being-towards-a-weak-future. If someone is killed and they have a strong or weak future it matters not from a moral sense; ie. murdering a weak being is just as immoral as murdering a strong being however, the death which you bring about by way of murdering said being has more intensity with a strong being. If you kill a being-towards-a-strong-future the death harms life more than it does with a weak being, especially in sociological terms. See, if we are to become a better society in general, we need to begin taking more and more responsibility for our desires, thoughts and intentions. One definative way to make good your responsibilty is to have clear and defined plans in reagrds to your desires, thoughts and intentions thus "beings-towards-strong-futures" are sociologically more important to the evolution of society in general and therefore killing one such being causes more harm.

It is therefore, i would think, altogether sensible to say that if thoughts, desires and intentions are existent as something like energy in another form in the universe which we are unaware of except in terms of a) how this something like a thought is seeming to me and b) how this something like a thought is seeming to you (a seeming from the inside looking out and a seeming from the outside looking in) then this energy could also, plausibly i think, have a measurable scale of intensity. If you are a being-towards-a-strong-future then this something like energy in another form which your thoughts, desires and intentions are made of would be stronger than that of a being-towards-a-weak-future. Very interesting, no? Entirely plausible also then, that, if this were true then the strong-futured beings among us would be more likely to leave behind a strong residual something like energy in another form (thoughts, desires, intentions) and i'm in no way insinuating that weak-futured beings would NOT leave behind a similar thing, just a weaker form of such a thing. This would certainly explain why not all of us leave behind "ghosts" which have a strong desire to continue to act upon the physical realm.

Welcome in Avenger, good to see ya :D I'll check out that video while i eat my dinner which thanks (in a weak, impartial, non-deterministic sense) to Semper i just burned almost beyond edibility.

:D

Re: The Gallifreyan Concept

Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 2:30 pm
by Taure
It is not that I consider that I have evidence against it, it is that there is not sufficient scientifically rigorous hard data in its favour.

Not that I consider it disprove, but rather than I do not view it as having enough positive evidence behind it to be proven in the first place. Only something that is proven stands in the position of being able to be objected to.

Everything else is already false. Until shown otherwise.

Regarding scientific paradigms. Kuhn's ideas about paradigms were rather... bad, and a product of his time. He thought there were paradigms because Einstein's relativity had recently changed the face of science by uprooting Newton.

This was the single greatest change in science in history and perhaps naturally made him think that there are are all kinds of scientific outlooks.

But relativity has turned out to be something of a one-off event. Science can better be characterised by a continual slow evolution, or refinement, than by a series of sudden shifts in paradigm, which is all rather Hegelian.

Moreover, relativity didn't so much change the methodology of science so much as its content. The methodology of science has remained mostly unchanged in principle since Newton, although of course the advance of technology and new scientific theories allow us to be more accurate. It is still based off reasoning by induction from experimentation with a strong mathematical base.

With regards to your strong and weak future ideas... this all assumes that the future is in flux.

This seems to me to be not the case. This is not necessarily a position of determinism either, but rather a property of time.

The future is fixed, there is a straight chain of events laying before us. This is because time only happens once. Multiple futures would require multiple timelines - alternate worlds - which are unproven and thus assumed to be false.

When faced with a decision, a person can only make one choice. it is temporally impossible for two different decisions to be made in the same point in time. Thus there is only one future.

Moreover, this one future is already determined. This does not preclude free will, because one can say that free will was one of the factors of determination. But our position in time is but a point of view. Me in an hour will view this conversation as past, for me an hour ago this conversation is in my future.

For me in the future, what has happened is what has happened, and is unchangeable. So this conversation was fixed - it was the way time is. Yet for me in the past this conversation hasn't happened yet. But me in the past is on the same timeline as me in the future, who has come to realise that the future of past-me as his history.

What is future from one perspective is past from another. Past is fixed, so too must be future.

I call this temporal determinism. Free will is perfectly fine under it, it's just a matter of certainty. It is certain that the future will happen in X way. But it wasn't necessary that it happen in this way: it is the contingent result of my choices now and my past choices.

Thus killing someone doesn't change anything about the future, for it was always going to happen. It was still your choice to kill them (unless you bring in a causal determination) but it was a choice you were always going to make.

Re: The Gallifreyan Concept

Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 6:05 pm
by GhostyGoo
Marvelous! *claps his hands like a demented seal* :lol:
That is one of the single most wonderful posts i've read so far this year Taure! In case you are worried, folk who know me will tell you, i rarely do sarcasm. I think you are getting a bit overly scientific about your philosophy though and you are bending the rules somewhat ha ha. I'm going to have to check a couple of things before i reply, to do anything less than check these couple of things would be an insult to your efforts! I'll tell you now though, lol, i'm going to be incredibly impressed if you have, in fact, managed to certifiably safegaurd freewill in determinism. Temporal Determinism - it's looking something like a dead cat in a box but you put it forwards with such clarity that i'm going to have to make sure i'm certain of my self before i call it such a thing! Meow, Sir. Meow. I'm absolutely certain you cannot possibly have both a deterministic law and something like freewill.

It is still based off reasoning by induction from experimentation with a strong mathematical base.


And so it should be *nods* ...except in philosophy :P

All ice is cold. This is reasonable, it's been experimented many many countless times and the maths always has gone in it's favour, however, philosophically speaking, your concept of cold and my concept of cold are highly likely to be only very very similar and could possibly be nothing like eachother so - how can, philosophically speaking "all ice be cold"? This now becomes totally unreasonable. This is why the question "Is the ice cold?" should be handled by science and not philosophy. In that sense you are far better equipped by the looks of things to answer it, sir - if it was left to me with only a working knowledge of science but no real passion for it but a deep understanding of philosophy and a deeply functioning philosophical mind, i would end up arguing with myself all day about what type of a thing the idea of cold could possibly be and also how i could well be having that experience without any real concept of self. You on the other hand can use your empirical ways to utterly refuse the fact that it can't possibly be cold or even ice for that matter because we're neither of us completely sure that it exists. Leave me to figure out how we are being and you can have cold and hot and ice and water, eh? Still, i'm going to get my teeth into your temporal determinism once i've checked causality!

P.S. in the meantime we could watch The Minority Report *chuckles*

Avenger, that movie was excellent but i already know everything contained within it lol, apart from the reindeer connection which i'm not entirely sure i'm thankful to be made a party to heh.

Some things simply cannot be explained by our current scientific paradigm and so we do have to look elsewhere for clues to answers and then form consistent theories. Someone then comes along and tries to make the theory inconsistent (like i'm hopefully about to do to this temporal determinism malarky lol). In philosophy we love inconsistency as much as consistency but the latter is always preferrable at the end of the day.

In the case of shamanism we have to ask ourselves why does the universe keep banging this wet fish against our heads time after time? The only thing i can rightly summise is it's something important in nature that is missing. It's as if nature is trying to show us the way back on the path, afterall, i would hope that even our friend Taure here will admit that if we don't considerably alter our moral outlook regards our cosm then our days are severaly numbered? Shame, we're such inventive so and sos. It seems that with this inventiveness also comes an incredible hunger for power - like male and female, yin and yang. The hunger for power stems from male type (things like) thoughts and the inventiveness comes from female type (things like) thoughts, sadly, in our (what could be) dying hours on this realm of understanding, the governors have decided that the female thought activity should be surpressed. Tragic, really. You know how they do it? They start in school - ever wondered why you are made to recite times tables "parrot fashion"? It's a way to numb the female hemisphere of the brain. It causes many psychological problems including gender disorientation and many sociological problems such as discrimination. While the society in general is only using empirical teachings without questioning they are also perpetuating such by singling out and discriminating anything which does not conform to this empirical teaching ie. there is no need to police a male thinking crowd as male thinkers are perpetuators of the doctrine or status quo. Consider that instead of the times tables, what you'd been taught parrot fashion was that everyone must at all times wear a tie in public because this is absolutely right and proper, just as 2x2=4, it is absolutely imperative to the rest of everything which comes after 2x2=4 that 2x2 remains to =4. It is absolute in this hypothetical society that you wear a tie in public. Along comes someone from another society or perhaps they just weren't very good at parrot fashion or perhaps they had more of a tendency to see things from a female perspective; imaginatively and inventively, creatively. This person decides that a tie is not needed for the rest of everything that comes after to make sense and that really this kind of sense is not important in the long run anyhow and that ultimately it is far far more consistent in the grand scheme of things to allow people to choose if they believe wearing ties is imperative and should be adopted as universal law. Y'know what comes next right? A bunch of male thinkers call this person a witch/activist/terrorist and burn/shoot/torture them for the rest of their (possibly very short) lives. Also, if any of the male thinkers even caught a glimpse of sense in what this female thinker was rubbing at they are led to believe, through fear, that if this type of thinking is to continue the whole of mankind is at risk from some terrible outcome or other. This, of course, is inconsistent behaviour and is the reason the world is a bit of a bad place just now. You see, if wearing ties is to become universal law consistently you must first obliterate all and anyone else who thinks otherwise and if you behave in this way, eventually, a bigger force will come along and do exactly the same to you. It is far more consistent to adopt a choice where wearing ties is concerned, that way, if someone comes along and says you have to believe 2x2=4 otherwise all is lost you can clearly show them you've not worn a tie since monday and the world is still carrying on naturally. Supression of female type thinking is going on in just about every single corner of lives today and frankly, i'm quite sick and tired of it. It peeks out from behind inductive reasoning too Taure, so don't think you're exempt lol! Imagine, a race of humans with no concept of numerical systems. How do you begin to explain to them that 2x2=4? Indeed, should you? Would you actually be improving their way of life? No, you would simply be forcing them to be more like yourself with your belief of 2x2=4. Furtherstill, imagine coming across a race of humans which, on discussing 2x2=4, you realised had a better system and had actually figured out Pi many many generations ago - paradigm shift ahoy!

We were primitive when we decided the earth was round, deciding it did not make us morally better people it simply bettered our scientific reasoning. You need philosophy to better your morals. Not science.