Question about System Lords in SG1

[Legendary Apophis]

Does anyone know who were the System Lord council members, when Anubis was member of it, thousands of years ago?
I think Yu was there, as well as Ra was and perhaps also Apophis.

[Ashu]

I doubt anyone knows...

[Juliette]

Hathor, Anubis, Sokar, Apophis, Cronus, Heru'ur, Ra, Yu, Nirrte, Bastet, Kali, Olokun, Morrigan, Seth, Ares, Amaterasu, Camulus, and Svarog.

[Ashu]

Hathor, Anubis, Sokar, Apophis, Cronus, Heru'ur, Ra, Yu, Nirrte, Bastet, Kali, Olokun, Morrigan, Seth, Ares, Amaterasu, Camulus, and Svarog.

This was the most recent that SG1 and the repli's killed

[Legendary Apophis]

Hmmm most of them if not mistaken are from the "new" generation of System Lords (aside from Anubis, Sokar, Apophis, Ra and Yu).
However, I have my doubts about Cronus and Nirrti, they might be from the old gen. I will check Gateworld about those two.

Edit: Gateworld says Cronus might be Sokar's father

[Juliette]

Hathor, Anubis, Sokar, Apophis, Cronus, Heru'ur, Ra, Yu, Nirrte, Bastet, Kali, Olokun, Morrigan, Seth, Ares, Amaterasu, Camulus, and Svarog.

This was the most recent that SG1 and the repli's killed

No.
This is the entire list of all known System Lords.

It is bound to contain at least some of the older System Lords.

[Reschef]

Hmmm most of them if not mistaken are from the "new" generation of System Lords (aside from Anubis, Sokar, Apophis, Ra and Yu).
However, I have my doubts about Cronus and Nirrti, they might be from the old gen. I will check Gateworld about those two.

Edit: Gateworld says Cronus might be Sokar's father

Maha Vishnu might know more about this, as far as I'm informed he read some books about SG and thus has a lot of background knowledge. He's currently on vacation so it might take some time till he reads this.

[Desert Phantom]

semper mentioned something about this in the histories here somewhere and maha added to it i believe

[semper]

the Goa'uld were originall lead by Tek or someone.. who anubis corrupted and sent insane then took over himself proclaiming himself Goa'uld emperor.

Ra did not like this.. and there is no indication as to who was around at the same time as these two except Yu. So all you can be certain is that from the original emergence of the Goa'uld Empire.. only Yu, Thoth, Ra and Anubis remained up to recent times.

I believe at the time of Anubis' banishing after the 300 year Goa'uld war when the system lords first emerged as a coalition would be the holders of the six eyes..

So Ba'al, Apophis, Tiamat, Ra, Osiris, Balor. We also know Yu was around but will have probably been only a minor Goa'uld at this point at the same time Thoth and Nut were also System Lords. So the council consisted of nine members.

Soon after Egeria and Hathor also became System Lords.

During the next many thousands of years (we're talking the best part of 16,000 years between that point and Anubis' second return just before his ascension) the additions to the System Lord council will have been Isis, Heru'ur, Cronus, Nirrte, Svarog and the others Universe named.

Sokar was also a system lord just before Ra found earth in 8000 BC. However.. he later tried to overthrow Ra which resulted in failure and was also banished.

Anubis returned about 1000AD. He tried to act the part again, failed and was hunted down by Yu and Ra. It was at this point he ascended.

[System Lord Nephthys]

I'd say of the Goa'uld we have encountered.

Ra, Apophis, Yu, Cronus, Sokar, Telchak, Osiris, Seth, Tiamat, Egeria & Hathor.

the Goa'uld were originall lead by Tek or someone

who? o.o

So Ba'al, Apophis, Tiamat, Ra, Osiris, Balor. We also know Yu was around but will have probably been only a minor Goa'uld at this point at the same time Thoth and Nut were also System Lords. So the council consisted of nine members.

Ba'al wasn't around at this time by his own admission, in Summit. Who's Balor?

Also I doubt Thoth was a System Lord as he was extremly subserviant to Anubis when we saw him..perhaps a powerful Minor Goa'uld.

Has Nut ever been mentioned

Sokar was also a system lord just before Ra found earth in 8000 BC. However.. he later tried to overthrow Ra which resulted in failure and was also banished.

Nope, Sokar was the ruler of the System Lords (Serpents Song), and all Goa'uld. An alliance led by Apophis and Ra defeated him. This implies that Ra and Apophis wern't the "1st generation" System Lords.

[Legendary Apophis]

Apparently Thoth used to be a System Lord according to gateworld.net, he must have been kicked so hard that he dropped rank to a scientist of Anubis.

Baal isn't from old generation indeed (gateworld confirms it). Tek I never heard of either.
Sokar is son of Cronus according to GW, which makes Cronus "old skool".
Determining when Ra, Apophis came around however, that might be a bit difficult.


OoC, why aren't you on msn? <_< >_>

[System Lord Nephthys]

Apparently Thoth used to be a System Lord according to gateworld.net, he must have been kicked so hard that he dropped rank to a scientist of Anubis.

Hmm I don't really trust the gateworld they very rarely update their encyclopedia..I mean under Hive Queen it still states that there is only one....

And Thot wasn't seen at the Summit.. which was well before the introduction of the Kull warriors...and I think it would have been mentioned had a System Lord been entirely defeated by the "unknown foe".

Sokar is son of Cronus according to GW, which makes Cronus "old skool".

Hmmm, this is never even hinted at in the show, and doesn't make that much sense as that would mean that Sokar would have been subserviant and to get to a position of power would have most likely had to kill Cronus and absorb his armies.

But yeah the impression is given that Cronus is very old.

Determining when Ra, Apophis came around however, that might be a bit difficult.

Hmm I'd say within the last 10,000 years they became powerful as that is when Ra started using humans as hosts.
It was stated in in Serpents Song that Sokar once ruled on earth and (implying that his presence on earth pre-dates Ra...one of many plot holes with Ra discovering humans ...unless we take it in a very LITERAL meaning that he was THE first goa'uld to use a human as a host...whilst humans had been esnalved for many years prior) had an Unas host at the time and employed Goa'uld'd Unas as overseers acting as demons...So Ra wasn't Supreme System Lord until after this time..and presumably not even until after the human uprising on Earth....I would ahve thought that the supreme system lord would have had the resources to subdue the human population there.

Not on msn becuase its not working atm got a virus or summat lmao.


OoC, why aren't you on msn? <_< >_>[/quote]

[Legendary Apophis]

Apparently it was long time ago Thot was SL.
As for RA, I wonder what race did he have as host. Was it an Unas? (stargate movie)

I also wonder for Sokar case with Cronus, but remember Heruur and Ra. Ra wasn't killed by his son!



Also:
http://webmessenger.msn.com/

That's what I found, web messenger, don't know if it will work
Seen many people from sgw/sgaw using it because of msn live/wlm program problems.

[Ashu]

Apparently it was long time ago Thot was SL.
As for RA, I wonder what race did he have as host. Was it an Unas? (stargate movie)

I also wonder for Sokar case with Cronus, but remember Heruur and Ra. Ra wasn't killed by his son!



Also:
http://webmessenger.msn.com/

That's what I found, web messenger, don't know if it will work
Seen many people from sgw/sgaw using it because of msn live/wlm program problems.

It was an Asgard called Zeus!(i think)

[Maha Vishnu]

The first dynasty of Goauld the term system lord did not exist.

Apep ruled all (translated to Apohis but is heavily debated if this was the same Goauld who appeared later in the name of Apophis)

This was called the Goauld Empire. Any Goauld serving where called underlords.

Within the 2nd dynasty, Ra had grown in power and decided the best way to "bring harmony" was to create underlords who would control "systems" of planets (basically to ensure that no Goauld underlord would encroach upon another's territory)

Osiris, Isis, Tiamat, Yu and well as Bastet, Khonsu (it was much later on when Egeria killed the goauld Khonsu and replaced it with a symbiote of a Tokra) , Mat (Ra was very fond of her and Egeria was most upset), Seshet (wife of Thoth), Thoth (Djehuti), Anher, Tefnut, Wadjet, Egeria, and Setesh where all given systems to govern (I.E ALL loyal to Ra, or so it would seem
Thus SYSTEM LORD was devised, and was only bestowed on those who where great in power

Ra named himself SUPREME SYSTEM LORD, ruler of all

Isis, Osiris and Setesh where later removed as system lords due to there assasanation attempt on Ra.
Egeria also would go for known reasons and Khonsu was also pushed out (as Ra found out he was a Tokra but played him. No other Goauld knew this information).


The rest is history.

It was after this that Apophis, Sokar, Cronus , Baal, Anubis, Olokun etc etc became system lords at varying times.

In all, there has been very few supreme lords who rule all.
Ra, Baal (Supreme commander), Sokar and Apohis are the only known ones. Yu was well respected but never did push for power

This information is taken from mythology plus "the real stargate nutters" who have expanded upon those TV episodes.

The history that I wrote gives background to some of those events.

Thats my take folks

Also, to update Ashu, it was Famrirr who Ra took as host, however, Ra is the ONLY known system lord that used Goauld, Egyptian and a new language in which other goaulds could not read and is nothing Daniel Jackson has seen or heard of.