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StarGateWars Forums • Racism
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Racism

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:38 am
by Legendary Apophis
What do you consider being racism?

Princeton dictionary wrote:# the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races
# discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race


Klux Klux Klan being the most famous racist and xenophobic organisation..but clearly if you investigate more, you will find similar groups preaching one "race" superiority compared to others.

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wiki wrote:Ku Klux Klan (KKK), informally known as The Klan, is the name of several past and present hate group organizations in the United States whose avowed purpose was to protect the rights of and further the interests of white Americans by violence and intimidation. The first such organizations originated in the Southern states and eventually grew to national scope. They developed iconic white costumes consisting of robes, masks, and conical hats. The KKK has a record of using terrorism,[2] violence, and lynching to murder and oppress African Americans, Jews and other minorities and to intimidate and oppose Roman Catholics and labor unions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy[/spoiler]
Racism is of course not limited to white towards others, but concerns every ethny and nationality.
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wiki wrote:The term black supremacy describes a racist ideology based on the assertion that black people are superior to other racial groups.

For further reading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_supremacy[/spoiler]
Antisemitism being the other kind of "racism", but this time related to religion (most known antisemitic countries were USSR during Stalin's reign and Nazi Germany).
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism
Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is prejudice against or hostility towards Jews, often rooted in hatred of their ethnic background, culture, or religion. While the term's etymology might suggest that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic peoples, since the term was invented it has been used to refer exclusively to hostility toward Jews.[1][2]

Antisemitism may be manifested in many ways, ranging from individual expressions of hatred and discrimination against individual Jews to organized violent attacks by mobs or even state police or military attacks on entire Jewish communities. Extreme instances of persecution include the First Crusade of 1096, the expulsion from England in 1290, the Spanish Inquisition, the expulsion from Spain in 1492, the expulsion from Portugal in 1497, various pogroms, and perhaps the most infamous, the Holocaust under Adolf Hitler's Nazi Germany.
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However, racism is overly used nowadays, mostly by "antifascist" groups, placed on the far left wing
[spoiler]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_anti-fascism[/spoiler] and aren't much more respectable than whom they are fighting. Also, antiracism policy happend on some cases to promote reversed racism (towards white people), as in the below example
Many of these uses have been controversial. For example, the pro-life movement often draws connections between its goals and the goals of abolitionism. In Zimbabwe, Robert Mugabe has used anti-racist rhetoric to a land distribution scheme which resulted in widespread starvation. However, it has been argued that President Mugabe himself heads a racist government due to his blatant acts of hostility and oppression toward White Zimbabweans (see Land reform in Zimbabwe).[1][2][3]

Affirmative action is another controversial concept, meant to increase minorities access to universities and jobs
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The terms affirmative action and positive action[1][2] refer to policies that take race, ethnicity, or gender into consideration in an attempt to promote equal opportunity or increase ethnic or other forms of diversity. The focus of such policies ranges from employment and education to public contracting and health programs. The impetus towards affirmative action is twofold: to maximize diversity in all levels of society, along with its presumed benefits, and to redress perceived disadvantages due to overt, institutional, or involuntary discrimination. Opponents argue that it promotes reverse discrimination.
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but obviously, it causes unwanted side effects:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_discrimination
Reverse discrimination is denial of equal protection of the laws and is viewed as discrimination on the basis of race by opponents of racial quota programs (a.k.a. reverse racism),[1][2] while proponents of racial quotas and affirmative action programs generally view it as discrimination against members of a dominant or majority group in order to promote members of a minority or consistently disadvantaged group (benign discrimination).[3] However, to the individuals concerned it still discriminates against one in favour of another based on race/gender/disability.


I will end with an example of what is real racism, and so called "racism" (victimising racism). Try to find which one is racism.

Mr Turner is looking for an employee, he has two candidates. One is a black 22 years old black pot smoking dude who is still in first year of university. He obtained his high school diploma by few points. He is known to be lazy. He's not efficient and only speak a minimal spanish aside of english. The other is a white 25 years old man with a Master degree. He has a good CV, and speaks 3 other languages.
Mr Turner decides to pick the white man.

Mr Grove is looking for an employee, he has two candidates. One is a black 29 years old woman with a master degree. Very good CV, not a troublemaker at work, 4 languages well practiced. The other candidate is a white 26 years old man, who only has an high school diploma. CV is average, only speaks english. No other candidates.
He decides however to pick the guy, despite woman's CV. he didn't mention either high diplomed people weren't wanted to candidate. There was no specifying other than having minimal of high school diploma.




Yes, it's full of spoilers, but well... :lol:

Re: Racism

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:32 pm
by Jak of blAdeS
well the first example isnt racist its dead on. the second example is racist but thats life it will be quite the while before we are all friendly to every single black person or equall in giving jobs.

this day and age is so racially tense we need to cool down and not take offense when someone says black people eat chicken or jews own banks cause were all human beings and that makes us relatively the same

so nice arguement i agree with you completely and i hope this article flys around the forum bcse it should and needs to.

Jak of blades
Enlightened member of the court

Re: Racism

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:34 pm
by Quina Quen
Clean up. :roll:

Re: Racism

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:36 pm
by semper
Diamond Dust wrote:Clean up. :roll:


*Claps hands*

It. Is. Done....

~Semper



On topic however... I don't buy much into racism. I see it in a general context as no different to calling someone fat, or gay... or not letting the chunky guy on the sports team because he'll get in the way or run slow.

With modern technology they can all be changed if desired so.

Racism has it's edge because it's got a very bad history and in some bad circumstances it's endorsed by national figures who should be more mature than be so pointlessly prejudice.

Re: Racism

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:13 am
by Kit-Fox
Removed

Re: Racism

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:12 am
by Lithium
since we ar eborn different then theres no way to be equal. tho humanity can serve of education to hold on all forms of racism.

Re: Racism

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:32 am
by minisaiyan
[spoiler]In this post i use many words that are not politically correct, it is not me being a racist, i am just getting my point accross with anecdotes and stuff. Also, in some opinions you may find what i say racism, in my opinion it is merely being opinionated, i do not hate everyone from other countrys, just some but that will become explained[/spoiler]

i think racism is a huge problem in society today. In Britain, a lot of people are racist, which in many respects is wrong. But many stereotype all non-whites as those that come into the country, do not work and claim beifits. But that is only because many do this, and may i ask, what good is this to society and the economy?

I think that if someone wants to come into the country, they should work, otherwise what is the point in them being here? If someone comes here to study... they should study, then either go back to wherever they came from or work. Again, that good is it if someone comes here to leech off of the system and effectively take money from those who do work.

Also, i think the government has become so petrified of being accused of being racists, it has become "racist" against the people of Britain. I say racist in inverted comments in this situation because if a black man calls another black man a nigger(i apologise for the use of such words) it is acceptable, but if a white man calls a black man this he is branded a racist so really all the governemt are doing is being biased in favour of those immgrating to England. I have seen this situation before in school:

A boy from Zimbabwe calls an English boy "white trash", the Brit then calls the other lad a nigger and is pulled into the office. a teacher heard the full argument, but further action is only taken against the white lad.

IMO: Not correct.

The main thing i don't get is that we are no longer allowed to call people what they are. A Pakistani that owns a shop is just that, therefore making it a "paki's shop". No sugar coating, it's exactly what it says on the tin my friends. Im sorry to all who this may offend as i know its quite an politically incorrect thing to say. But note, i have more manners than to call someone from bangladesh or india, or any other country where someone may have immigrated from a paki. i am not like that, i just dont see the point in making stuff more complicated than it needs to be.

Again, i am not racist, theres just some people that make my blood boil. I am not the sort to complain about a Doctor from India, they would be just the same as the english equivalent, it's just when his 6th cousin 20times removed decides he's going to come over and claim benifits


In conclusion, tougher immigration laws are needed, but dont stop immigration all toghether

Re: Racism

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:05 am
by Lithium
he's going to come over and claim benifits

maybe he want smth back of what yr x6th grand's took from his

you now stealing half of world has it benefits ;)

Re: Racism

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:44 pm
by Thriller
Kit-Fox wrote:Hate to say it but racism is built into our mental landscape. From birth we begin to identify ourselves in relation to others.

First we identify those with the same skin colour, then we move on to other things like eye colours, hair colour etc.

This is as it were the root beginnings of racism in our psyche. It will takke many more years before we see it removed.


I disagree that our ability to destinguish leads to racist beleifs. Yes we are hard wired to diffrentiate but you have to be taught to beleive that those differences between other people are negative or positive. The only things infants are pre-attracked to is symetry, Negative conotations associated with skin colour are learned behaviors.

Re: Racism

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:08 am
by Brdavs
Food for thought...


Where is the line between patriotism and dangerous nacionalism/racism?

If Josef aus Tirol says his nation is the greatest nation that god ever put on the face of this earth a lot of eyebrows pop up an people start batting down the hatches.
If Joe the plumber says the same... what?

Say, is it racist, the notion that a nation is above ceremonial bows to other heads of states - because they are X and the greatest nation X does not bow to foreigners or nation Y in particular?
Is the fact poeople would be offended by such an act of one of their own a sign of narcisism or deeper more disturbing 1930s types of ideals?

Re: Racism

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:15 pm
by Jak of blAdeS
thank god we arent politicians you know, us guys and "girls" of course can talk about this and prove some good points. you get someone of slight importance then the media says hes either a racist or immigrant lover and should have his ass kicked. but your right people are practically born with racism all around them its gonna be one of our hardest things to shake off but maybe we can do it...... for for UNITY!

Re: Racism

Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:33 pm
by Ashu
Racism doesn't exist,ask any biologist with a PhD that the term "race" is miss-used...we are all part of the HUMAN RACE,anything beyond that is...how we perceive the world.Because some people decided they can insult,hurt someone because of the color of their skin and such is stupid(and i'm not just saying that,you actually have to be a bit challenged to say that,its a given fact!).

Re: Racism

Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:40 pm
by Legendary Apophis
Ashu wrote:Racism doesn't exist,ask any biologist with a PhD that the term "race" is miss-used...we are all part of the HUMAN RACE,anything beyond that is...how we perceive the world.Because some people decided they can insult,hurt someone because of the color of their skin and such is stupid(and i'm not just saying that,you actually have to be a bit challenged to say that,its a given fact!).

You got it right!

There's just one race, but an endless amount of silly people (from all skins all ethnies, all countries, diversity in sillyness and extremisms' blindness in other words)! :-D
Problem would be...how could they be enlighted? :shock:

Re: Racism

Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:09 pm
by Ashu
Legendary Apophis wrote:
Ashu wrote:Racism doesn't exist,ask any biologist with a PhD that the term "race" is miss-used...we are all part of the HUMAN RACE,anything beyond that is...how we perceive the world.Because some people decided they can insult,hurt someone because of the color of their skin and such is stupid(and i'm not just saying that,you actually have to be a bit challenged to say that,its a given fact!).

You got it right!

There's just one race, but an endless amount of silly people (from all skins all ethnies, all countries, diversity in sillyness and extremisms' blindness in other words)! :-D
Problem would be...how could they be enlighted? :shock:

Education,comedy!Watch Chris Rock and see what i mean! :)

Re: Racism

Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:13 pm
by Juliette
What, they can learn how to beat up their girlfriends? :-k
There's no way anyone is going to achieve Enlightenment by listening to a black man.
I have watched the Cosby Show for ages, and I am still stuck in this ridiculous racist body. Such a shame.