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in "regionalism" and everything of that sort?
I don't understand that. Nationalism I could understand, but this one, I lack to understand. Nowadays world tends to globalize, quite the contrary to small entities splitting from each others and dooming themselves in the process (economically wise that is for example). Instead of dividing, they split. Can anyone explain me why?

Examples:
Wallonia & Flander in Belgium,
Scotland, Wales and England for UK,
Cataloña and Basque Country (spell?) in Spain,
Indonesia's Timor (already done).

maybe the point is sovereignty?

i know that the word "sovereignty" is a dirty word for all those that support globalism and unity, but a person and a nations sovereignty defines who we are as a nation.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:maybe the point is sovereignty?

i know that the word "sovereignty" is a dirty word for all those that support globalism and unity, but a person and a nations sovereignty defines who we are as a nation.

Why would Andaluçia not ask independance while Cataluña and the other one in north of Spain ask more or less for it? See my point? They could all pretend to have sovereignty...
Sovereignty excuse would make almost every region ask for independance and all would be slaves to great countries economically wise due to their weakness and size compared to still united countries.
It would be the benefit for China and the like, world domination wouldn't need any kind of effort for them.
People like me would then blame all those sovereigntists, are they would be the guilty ones for weaknessing of Europe and full domination of united ones.

If you divide a country, you will just weaken it. Some food for thoughts for naive independantist ones.

Sovereignty, in and of itself, does not weaken. Quite the opposite.

Economic dependence is a problem for existing countries, as it would be a problem for newly emerging nations. The way I see it, it serves as a deterrent to sway from the creditors' apparently globalist agenda. (See my Creditor Argument for details on how such a mechanism might function.)

In reality, most countries and indeed many regions have the resources to be independent within a frame that allows this, but the world is currently set up in a manner that greatly discourages independence.

Where human innovation and independence thrive, there shall there also abundance be. Think of small countries such as Japan and Luxembourg who do relatively well economically, yet have very limited natural resources. Luxembourg is the country with the highest average income in the world. Japan is known as extremely innovative in the realm of technology, and indeed, this appears to be its most important contribution.

These examples, however, are nothing compared to the potential innovation of humans in a frame that encourages it. Instead, abundance in certain individuals is a measure of how well it can be withheld from others and all is done to keep things thus by those who benefit from this particular situation. Everything is done to destroy innovative initiatives that would endanger a wealth withholding operation. Corporations involve a number of third world countries in the manufacturing process, thereby creating global interdependence and waste. It is waste because the needless transportation of goods uses resources that could find better applications.

A local economy is crucial and less volatile than a global economy, for, if there is an economical problem, it does not affect the entire world. It benefits more people, as it does not result in concentrating wealth, but rather, everyone involved in generating the wealth is rewarded. In the food industry, the proximity of the resource ensures a fresher product.

In short, using a model that puts more focus on a local economy, which I believe is more accommodating to the actual needs of humans whilst delivering better quality, would not endanger a region whose strive for sovereignty proves successful. Product diversity would increase, as communities develop their own specialties. That is actually one of the things I like about Europe. Although it is very much an active player on the global market, it has retained this particular feature - at least from my experience in Germany. Every city has a local variety of *something*.


To sum it up:

Independence, community and innovation.


Agapooka

lol

anyways, who knows what they want, maybe they are fed up and want a change lol...

why does it bother you so much what they do?

Agapooka wrote:Sovereignty, in and of itself, does not weaken. Quite the opposite.

Economic dependence is a problem for existing countries, as it would be a problem for newly emerging nations. The way I see it, it serves as a deterrent to sway from the creditors' apparently globalist agenda. (See my Creditor Argument for details on how such a mechanism might function.)

In reality, most countries and indeed many regions have the resources to be independent within a frame that allows this, but the world is currently set up in a manner that greatly discourages independence.

Where human innovation and independence thrive, there shall there also abundance be. Think of small countries such as Japan and Luxembourg who do relatively well economically, yet have very limited natural resources. Luxembourg is the country with the highest average income in the world. Japan is known as extremely innovative in the realm of technology, and indeed, this appears to be its most important contribution.

These examples, however, are nothing compared to the potential innovation of humans in a frame that encourages it. Instead, abundance in certain individuals is a measure of how well it can be withheld from others and all is done to keep things thus by those who benefit from this particular situation. Everything is done to destroy innovative initiatives that would endanger a wealth withholding operation. Corporations involve a number of third world countries in the manufacturing process, thereby creating global interdependence and waste. It is waste because the needless transportation of goods uses resources that could find better applications.

A local economy is crucial and less volatile than a global economy, for, if there is an economical problem, it does not affect the entire world. It benefits more people, as it does not result in concentrating wealth, but rather, everyone involved in generating the wealth is rewarded. In the food industry, the proximity of the resource ensures a fresher product.

In short, using a model that puts more focus on a local economy, which I believe is more accommodating to the actual needs of humans whilst delivering better quality, would not endanger a region whose strive for sovereignty proves successful. Product diversity would increase, as communities develop their own specialties. That is actually one of the things I like about Europe. Although it is very much an active player on the global market, it has retained this particular feature - at least from my experience in Germany. Every city has a local variety of *something*.


To sum it up:

Independence, community and innovation.


Agapooka

I wish I had the time to reply to this one. Interesting post and interesting to counter argue this..but I'm quite short in time here.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:lol

anyways, who knows what they want, maybe they are fed up and want a change lol...

why does it bother you so much what they do?

Weakening the EU.

Ahh & now we get to the real reason, its this Eu agenda again. Forcing us all to join and be a part of a big machine that rides roughshod over the laws of the countries that make it up & democracy in general.

You should be ashamed of yourself for pushing should an institution, especially one that will make fools & slaves of us all

Kit-Fox wrote:Ahh & now we get to the real reason, its this Eu agenda again. Forcing us all to join and be a part of a big machine that rides roughshod over the laws of the countries that make it up & democracy in general.

Why would I have mentionned Oriental Timor if it was only that? General weakening of countries in favour of still united ones. Because let's be honest, being alone and having self sufficient economy worked well in past, but not anymore.
Oh yes after the threat of USSR's commies taking over Europe it's threat of bureaucratia from EU.

Kit-Fox wrote:You should be ashamed of yourself for pushing should an institution, especially one that will make fools & slaves of us all

Oh yes we are doomed to death!
Who will save us from this horrible downfall???
Europe of nation[alism]s of course! Just wait for nationalisms to rise again & mutual antagonisms and it will be all nice! Find once again the enemy next door to play and all!

I will spend my christmas thinking of this horrible unacceptable frightening scary future of eternal doom slavery and humiliation from the uber evil EU towards poor trapped masses we are. Or not.

You know pops considering that the cracks in the EU are already showing some serious strain, you might show a lil more humility.

And just to point out, theres more than one type off slavery


anywho shouldnt all the kids be in bed by now waiting for santa rather than replying/editing on here

Legendary Apophis wrote:Because let's be honest, being alone and having self sufficient economy worked well in past, but not anymore.

Statements like that are incredibly pointless, since you don't take the time to explain why that may be. It leaves one with the impression that there is an inherent law of time which prohibits such economic structures in the 21st century specifically.

I believe that the reason why a self-sufficient economy might have a "harder time" is because of the lobbying of globalism on the part of powerful entities with special interest, the control of the creditor, who may have a globalist agenda, and the suppression of innovative initiatives that threaten that agenda and/or the wealth generated thereby, whereby the concerned lobbying parties of special interest are advantaged. Legal entities such as the European Union are the RESULT of a globalist agenda. It goes without saying that they are incompatible with an alternate ideal, but do not attempt to get away with implying that a local, self-sufficient system is inherently incompatible with our times. Such systems are merely incompatible with the questionable, yet prevailing globalist agenda of our time.


Agapooka

It's not really the moment to explain...I just come around in empty 5 minute sets and then vanish again. It's christmas afterall..

I write quickly.

Legendary Apophis wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:lol

anyways, who knows what they want, maybe they are fed up and want a change lol...

why does it bother you so much what they do?

Weakening the EU.

you should think less of the EU and more of your own country mate



anyways, happy Christmas 1 and all

[KMA]Avenger wrote:

Legendary Apophis wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:lol

anyways, who knows what they want, maybe they are fed up and want a change lol...

why does it bother you so much what they do?

Weakening the EU.

you should think less of the EU and more of your own country mate

France is part of the EU, therefore I always talk about the EU about problems as France's problem aren't only in France.

Indeed merry christmas everyone.