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anybody saw the british representative attack on the (belgian) president of the EU?
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I thought the attack on his appearance was a bit uncalled for, to be honest. I'd expect better of Nigel Farage; a skilled and charismatic politician.

yes laugh but a serious point is being made, the creation of the EU council will ride roughshod over democracy in the EU.

Wannabe Berlusconi lolz?
(attention seeking by acting assault-like factor)
Difference being Berlusconi isn't anti EU...

I will have a closer look to his speech later today and then make fun of his arguments by taking care of them, if I deem it worthy.

that was completely uncalled for, and to be perfectly honest, i'm sure "most of the EU" has never heard of Nigel Farage.

i'm sure if you ask the majority of people in the EU they don't know who is representing their own country, never mind someone elses.
he has a good point, but completely the wrong way to go about it.

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that was completely uncalled for, and to be perfectly honest, i'm sure "most of the EU" has never heard of Nigel Farage.

i'm sure if you ask the majority of people in the EU they don't know who is representing their own country, never mind someone elses.
he has a good point, but completely the wrong way to go about it.

Indeed...only anti EU I heard of from UK is Nick Griffin lol (I'm sure the BNP would use such an agressive way to express themselves too)

I know who I voted for in the last elections of 2009. Well, I remember the names of two heads of the local representation of the party to whom I voted for (UMP, party of EPP, Centre Right, 100% pro EU.)
But it's not the subject.

Nigel has a VERY good point here and i'm surprised that most of you think this was "uncalled for" and perhaps rude. But lest i forgot, the words that man spoke...what was he saying? Is he making a point?

Ashu wrote:Nigel has a VERY good point here and i'm surprised that most of you think this was "uncalled for" and perhaps rude. But lest i forgot, the words that man spoke...what was he saying? Is he making a point?

He was making a point yes, and as KitFox and others have pointed out it's a point with some validity. The erosion of national sovereignty and and increased europeanization of indigenous institutions are always things which ordinary citizens should be concerned about.

'All the charisma of a damp rag' and 'looks like a bank clerk' are below the belt comments in my opinion, though. Restoring to ad homen attacks only detracts from whatever sense he was speaking.

Daniel Hannen is another prominent British Euroskeptic that a lot of people have heard of, too; his comments on the NHS, and his tirade against Gordon Brown, have gotten him a bit of publicity over the last twelve months.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs

Mordack wrote:

Ashu wrote:Nigel has a VERY good point here and i'm surprised that most of you think this was "uncalled for" and perhaps rude. But lest i forgot, the words that man spoke...what was he saying? Is he making a point?

He was making a point yes, and as KitFox and others have pointed out it's a point with some validity. The erosion of national sovereignty and and increased europeanization of indigenous institutions are always things which ordinary citizens should be concerned about.

'All the charisma of a damp rag' and 'looks like a bank clerk' are below the belt comments in my opinion, though. Restoring to ad homen attacks only detracts from whatever sense he was speaking.

Daniel Hannen is another prominent British Euroskeptic that a lot of people have heard of, too; his comments on the NHS, and his tirade against Gordon Brown, have gotten him a bit of publicity over the last twelve months.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs

And with those things in-hand how can people actually support this... tirany, because a better word for it does not exist. Its principles are handsome and apealing but the current reality is quite grim! More and more debt on a personal level and the efforts put in to eliminate the very boundries, real or perceived that make-up our identity as a sovereign state and nation should at least make us ask some questions rather than brown nose to every little man that promises a clear sky and better weather...

Mordack wrote:

Ashu wrote:Nigel has a VERY good point here and i'm surprised that most of you think this was "uncalled for" and perhaps rude. But lest i forgot, the words that man spoke...what was he saying? Is he making a point?

He was making a point yes, and as KitFox and others have pointed out it's a point with some validity. The erosion of national sovereignty and and increased europeanization of indigenous institutions are always things which ordinary citizens should be concerned about.

Oh but I'm concerned about it and am an ordinary citizen, I'm just on the pro EU side, despite admitting EU has some flaws that tend to be annoying (European Human Rights Court or whatever it's called in english language for example I see as a flaw)

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Tyranny? Rofl, don't use uncalled words like this lol. That reminds me of the demagogy that some people use against my president accusing him of being a fascist. Duh. I hate this kind of exagerative speech used to fool the average joe into some nonsense theories.

Legendary Apophis wrote:

Mordack wrote:

Ashu wrote:Nigel has a VERY good point here and i'm surprised that most of you think this was "uncalled for" and perhaps rude. But lest i forgot, the words that man spoke...what was he saying? Is he making a point?

He was making a point yes, and as KitFox and others have pointed out it's a point with some validity. The erosion of national sovereignty and and increased europeanization of indigenous institutions are always things which ordinary citizens should be concerned about.

Oh but I'm concerned about it and am an ordinary citizen, I'm just on the pro EU side, despite admitting EU has some flaws that tend to be annoying (European Human Rights Court or whatever it's called in english language for example I see as a flaw)

Well if you look at the bigger picture, not flaws that have no connection to you as a person and are just some theoretical nuisance perhaps you would be interested in actually shaping our future rather than just trusting the first things that someone tells you...

Ashu wrote:

Legendary Apophis wrote:

Mordack wrote:

Ashu wrote:Nigel has a VERY good point here and i'm surprised that most of you think this was "uncalled for" and perhaps rude. But lest i forgot, the words that man spoke...what was he saying? Is he making a point?

He was making a point yes, and as KitFox and others have pointed out it's a point with some validity. The erosion of national sovereignty and and increased europeanization of indigenous institutions are always things which ordinary citizens should be concerned about.

Oh but I'm concerned about it and am an ordinary citizen, I'm just on the pro EU side, despite admitting EU has some flaws that tend to be annoying (European Human Rights Court or whatever it's called in english language for example I see as a flaw)

Well if you look at the bigger picture, not flaws that want that have no connection to you as a person and are just some theoretical nuisance perhaps you would be interested in actually shaping our future rather than just trusting the first things that someone tells you...

Such as the ones saying EU is the evil incarnated and want to come back to a rather primitive and nowadays weak, kind of states?

A bunch of independant but weak states is the solution? Vassals of this or that power that'd be yea.
France-Germany standing together against the idiocy of Iraqian war, that's what I believe in!

Divided we are weak, together we are stronger.

Or remain in your delusions that your country can stand alone and grow alone (and then become a protectorate of a less "friendly" superpower)...not my problem.

Legendary Apophis wrote:

Ashu wrote:

Legendary Apophis wrote:

Mordack wrote:

Ashu wrote:Nigel has a VERY good point here and i'm surprised that most of you think this was "uncalled for" and perhaps rude. But lest i forgot, the words that man spoke...what was he saying? Is he making a point?

He was making a point yes, and as KitFox and others have pointed out it's a point with some validity. The erosion of national sovereignty and and increased europeanization of indigenous institutions are always things which ordinary citizens should be concerned about.

Oh but I'm concerned about it and am an ordinary citizen, I'm just on the pro EU side, despite admitting EU has some flaws that tend to be annoying (European Human Rights Court or whatever it's called in english language for example I see as a flaw)

Well if you look at the bigger picture, not flaws that want that have no connection to you as a person and are just some theoretical nuisance perhaps you would be interested in actually shaping our future rather than just trusting the first things that someone tells you...

Such as the ones saying EU is the evil incarnated and want to come back to a rather primitive and nowadays weak, kind of states?

Oh yes. Like Russia for example. Those evil comunists are soo weak and small in comparison to the allmighty EU. Being a sovereign state doesn't mean you'r weak Jim, not always unity=power or strength, as in this case... EUROPE as we know it is the next USSR on a different kind of manipulation.

Ashu wrote:

Legendary Apophis wrote:

Ashu wrote:

Legendary Apophis wrote:

Mordack wrote:

Ashu wrote:Nigel has a VERY good point here and i'm surprised that most of you think this was "uncalled for" and perhaps rude. But lest i forgot, the words that man spoke...what was he saying? Is he making a point?

He was making a point yes, and as KitFox and others have pointed out it's a point with some validity. The erosion of national sovereignty and and increased europeanization of indigenous institutions are always things which ordinary citizens should be concerned about.

Oh but I'm concerned about it and am an ordinary citizen, I'm just on the pro EU side, despite admitting EU has some flaws that tend to be annoying (European Human Rights Court or whatever it's called in english language for example I see as a flaw)

Well if you look at the bigger picture, not flaws that want that have no connection to you as a person and are just some theoretical nuisance perhaps you would be interested in actually shaping our future rather than just trusting the first things that someone tells you...

Such as the ones saying EU is the evil incarnated and want to come back to a rather primitive and nowadays weak, kind of states?

Oh yes. Like Russia for example. Those evil comunists are soo weak and small in comparison to the allmighty EU. Being a sovereign state doesn't mean you'r weak Jim, not always unity=power or strength, as in this case... EUROPE as we know it is the next USSR on a different kind of manipulation.

Russia...name me one country in EU that is comparable to Russia, military wise, population wise, diplomacy wise. There is NONE. Quite the example to NOT throw out. France-Germany couple can compete, and even...Russia is a superpower I mentionned who could eat some small EU countries for breakfast. Thanks for proving my point.

Oh yes manipulation, "the governement is lieing to you, they manipulate you" heard that already sufficient times to know when it's the case and when it's not. I also know if it's in my advantage or not. And in the EU case, excepted flaws I recognize, it's indeed within my interests.

Legendary Apophis wrote:

Ashu wrote:

Legendary Apophis wrote:

Ashu wrote:

Legendary Apophis wrote:

Mordack wrote:

Ashu wrote:Nigel has a VERY good point here and i'm surprised that most of you think this was "uncalled for" and perhaps rude. But lest i forgot, the words that man spoke...what was he saying? Is he making a point?

He was making a point yes, and as KitFox and others have pointed out it's a point with some validity. The erosion of national sovereignty and and increased europeanization of indigenous institutions are always things which ordinary citizens should be concerned about.

Oh but I'm concerned about it and am an ordinary citizen, I'm just on the pro EU side, despite admitting EU has some flaws that tend to be annoying (European Human Rights Court or whatever it's called in english language for example I see as a flaw)

Well if you look at the bigger picture, not flaws that want that have no connection to you as a person and are just some theoretical nuisance perhaps you would be interested in actually shaping our future rather than just trusting the first things that someone tells you...

Such as the ones saying EU is the evil incarnated and want to come back to a rather primitive and nowadays weak, kind of states?

Oh yes. Like Russia for example. Those evil comunists are soo weak and small in comparison to the allmighty EU. Being a sovereign state doesn't mean you'r weak Jim, not always unity=power or strength, as in this case... EUROPE as we know it is the next USSR on a different kind of manipulation.

Russia...name me one country in EU that is comparable to Russia, military wise, population wise, diplomacy wise. There is NONE. Quite the example to NOT throw out. France-Germany couple can compete, and even...

Oh yes manipulation, "the governement is lieing to you, they manipulate you" heard that already sufficient times to know when it's the case and when it's not.

Wow Jim...Genius! And why is no one like Russia then? I mean its not like they haven't had their bad times and trouble...with the colaps and all. Perhaps they have something i like to call nationalism and self preservation. Unlike all other countries that would sell themselves for a bit of the neighbour's wealth and prosperity... Like France and Germany. And you wouldn't know manipulation if someone said it was. Tip : Not everything that politicians say is true and sometimes they don't even mean it!