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I have to agree with the anti-feeding sentiments.
I also agree that we should adapt to our situations with solutions.

Quantum is now at a stage which is beyond ridiculous and admin are simply shrugging their shoulders because, quite honestly, they are helpless, lacking creativity with no new ideas on how to combat the problem, so instead they declare that there is no problem. Problem solved apparently, make it legal than it's all okay.

Here's a quick cap of how things have gone:
Early/Middle Eras:
*Feeding=bad, illegal practice
Players got banned for feeding, or "being multi's" in earlier eras. See case of Lord Khnum, all he did was feed a player and got banned for it, the person he fed turned out to be a multi, but Lord Khnum wasn't banned for being a multi, he was simply banned for feeding. These days its a common practice - admin have backed flipped because they are at a loss of how to handle the situation.

Middle Eras:
*To quote: "all top players are fed"
This is BS, not all top did, but apparently the majority of owned and tcc did.
No top player who fed is a top player as they have required other people to play for them, they are "top team accounts", i.e. multi accounts. Being fed results in you being a team/multi account. Simple as that. It allows you to get 2-10x the amount of turns other people have available to them. If you are fed no more appreciation is given to you as a player. Simply put, you must be stupid, you cannot win an era on normal strategy and play alone - you require to be spoonfed a win in order to feed your egos.

Knight Ego Era 22 wrote: EGO HUNGRY, FEED ME!

Lord Apogryph Ego Era 23 wrote: MY EGO IS BIGGER THAN KNIGHTS! FEED ME!!!

Knight Ego Era 23 wrote:NO ITS NOT! I'M BIGGER! I NEED FEED!

System Lords Era 23 wrote:masking, feed mercury so we can beat down on Knight and Apo

Neu Era 23 wrote:If we have to in order to beat owned we will, like system lords, masking.

Latest Eras:
*Feeding is a tactic.
So it's gone from an illegal practice to an accepted tactic. Why? Admin have lost control and haven't wanted to admit it. Admin are as helpless at administrating as the feeders are at being able to achieve by themselves. Or perhaps admin are friends with the feeders, and don't know how to, or don't want to, help the situation. I'm sorry Admin but you're doing a poor job.

This is why.

Current/Future:
*Feeding is a necessity
If you don't feed your alliance, or yourself, you or your alliance cannot win. Feeding has become a necessity. Nobody likes to play Q longer than an era in order to just feed a few select accounts. Eventually no one is going to enjoy a game based on feeding. Quantum will begin to lose more players then it already has.

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People are feeding this era against their own principle, not because they want to, but because they feel like they have to send a message to those that do feed. That we want you to get the more masking out of Quantum. That those that feed aren't invincible and if we have to we will make this game hell for you. Which is fair enough. Again this is against their principles of the game.

But they're approaching the situation wrong.

This just encourages the feeders, they finally have a challenge! Deep down even egos as small as our fed players love a challenge. After all this time just playing with themselves they were starting to get bored, knowing they were going to accumulate a win, now they have challenges! So Q becomes interesting for them.
It doesn't allow the people of the game to solve the problem of feeders, the feeders will continue to feed to rise to a new challenge.

What will fix feeding?

I'm confident more than half the active players dislike feeding and are against the idea. If everyone did this, stopped playing this era, put their accounts on vacation, then feeders would have no challenge, they'd be playing against who? What's their point? To get glory in a game that's dead? It's a game that's dying, all because some players in control of a team account think they're awesome and gods gift to quantum. Will their spoonfeeders soon lose interest because they're feeding an alliance for the sole purpose of... ..of what? Letting that alliance beat against itself, again, and again and again?

Give up on this era, put your accounts on vacation so admin actually feel like doing something creative and fixing quantum.

Send a message to feeders that hey you can play, but it's just going to be by yourself, but you're use to that aren't you?

I want Quantum to continue, I enjoy playing it as do many others. But I want it to continue fairly in a game which is administrated, and administrated properly.

Suggestions:
Feeding is monitored, hits above the average recorded hits are automatically highlighted in Galatic Logs.
Highlighted hits are moved to a separate log.
These hits are monitored by gamers. These highlighted logged hits have the option of "suspicious". If 5 or more players tick this box than that account goes on suspension until admin look at it (still receives 75% income and all turns whilst in suspension). Admin have 36 hours to respond. If the 5 or more players abuse this function and try to suspend an account for their own ingame reasons then their accounts get reset. If admin note that it was a feed and not a lucky hit than the account is reset, just all stats and UP wiped and -50k glory as feeding should result in dishonour. 3 resets = IP ban. Eventually the fed will get the message.

This is one suggestion, i'm sure other's have other ideas, or can add to this with a slight more creativity. But it seems like a fairly obvious solution to what is now an epic problem.

People who agree with this, alliance leaders who agree this, copy and paste this into a pm and send it to all your officer and alliance members.

And if you personally agree in the 1st week of June put your account on vacation mode.

People who are doing this are demanding that
a) admin start administrating for a change.
b) era is reset with new controls in place
c) new controls are enforced
d) let's play fair and strategically for a change.

Like this idea or hate this idea, it's the only way Quantum will survive beyond another few eras.

For the spoonfed... deep down you know you want a challenge, and you know the only reason you feed is because "everyone else" feeds too, this allows for all members of Q to be on an even playing field with feeding eliminated. Maybe you'd feel more comfortable with yourselves if you knew that no one else could take some magic food which allows them to achieve a bigger ego.

Cheers,

V

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Agree or disagree?

note: by the way apogryph and knight I only used you two as an example as you are the most recent obvious accounts that it's easy to relate to you. This wasn't in anyway against you two personally, just against the practice of feeding

AGREED. I Always Done Quite Well Without Being Fed.
Did The System Lords Really Say That? I Suppose I Wouldn't Put It Past Us! I Myself Dont Approve Of Feeding Full Stop. In My Book Its Cheating, I'd Rather Compete Properly.

Why don't you start and go on vac now V?

Mikgamer I will be putting my account into Vacation mode first week of June.

I gave it a week so enough people would read this so that we could all begin acting together.

I'll be first to go on vacation on June 1st if I must.

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Åpophis wrote:AGREED.Did The System Lords Really Say That?

Haha those quotes were just me parodying the situation as i see it at the moment

This is just rediculous... I have given up making suggestions to help balance the game. Every single good suggestion ever made is ignored, so now i will help break the game further by joining in the feed fest, until such time as balances are put in place. Keeping up with feeders is possible under certain circumstances. Firstly, you need to negate their advantage by farming for 2-3x the average hit on an inactive. This is impossible for me as was proven last wave. By the end of the first month 80% of you whiners had shielded me, making it impossible for me to keep up with with knight being fed. Did I complain and whine? No, I did the best I could and had a decent finish with a very high glory accumulation.

Some previous suggestions made that would have helped:

1. Limit the maximum naq able to be taken in one hit in a similar fashion to main, and base it on army size, that way it will increase during the wave at a reasonable fashion. How would this help? Simply put, instead of getting 1k turns worth of naq with 15 AT, the person getting fed would have to spent 100 or 200 turns, which would help to lower their average amount of naq stolen per turn.

2. Remove the ability to shield people. That way people getting fed dont have anyway of protecting themselves from being massed. Also, this will put a stop to cowardly game play, forcing people to actually grow a pair and fight to protect their stats and resources.

3. Remove the galactic log. This doesn't help control feeding, it just encourages easy sniping, which is exactly what i said when it was first suggested.

Ever heard the saying "All is fair in love and war". Dishonor has nothing to do with this issue. It is simply a game balance issue that has never been resolved.

*waits for the pathetic and illogical flaming*

Apogryph wrote:This is just rediculous... I have given up making suggestions to help balance the game. Every single good suggestion ever made is ignored, so now i will help break the game further by joining in the feed fest, until such time as balances are put in place. Keeping up with feeders is possible under certain circumstances. Firstly, you need to negate their advantage by farming for 2-3x the average hit on an inactive. This is impossible for me as was proven last wave. By the end of the first month 80% of you whiners had shielded me, making it impossible for me to keep up with with knight being fed. Did I complain and whine? No, I did the best I could and had a decent finish with a very high glory accumulation. Did I begrudge him the win? No, I congratulated him.

Some previous suggestions made that would have helped:

1. Limit the maximum naq able to be taken in one hit in a similar fashion to main, and base it on army size, that way it will increase during the wave at a reasonable fashion. How would this help? Simply put, instead of getting 1k turns worth of naq with 15 AT, the person getting fed would have to spent 100 or 200 turns, which would help to lower their average amount of naq stolen per turn.

2. Remove the ability to shield people. That way people getting fed dont have anyway of protecting themselves from being massed. Also, this will put a stop to cowardly game play, forcing people to actually grow a pair and fight to protect their stats and resources.

3. Remove the galactic log. This doesn't help control feeding, it just encourages easy sniping, which is exactly what i said when it was first suggested.

Ever heard the saying "All is fair in love and war". Dishonor has nothing to do with this issue. It is simply a game balance issue that has never been resolved. Stop whining and trying to punish and instead make suggestions that will actually help the game not turn it into a voluntary police state

*waits for the pathetic and illogical flaming*

oops i clicked quote instead of edit

EDIT: oh yes, as a side note... These statements about people being fed not being able to compete without being fed... show me the proof of this? When I dont get fed, I still beat 99% of you and 80% of you still run and use that lovely little polarised shield function. Save your retarded "I want to be on my high horse" comments for your internal dialogue cos we all know its rubbish

Agree with Apo.

And to clarify something,
I quoted "all top players feed", and then said this is BS.
I.E you can be a top player without feeding. But those who feed aren't "players", they're "team accounts". As for being the top player, that remains to be seen as feeding has grown so much these past few eras that it's very unlikely the highly addicted non feeding q player could win.

Very good suggestions by apo, sounds like Apo would like a fairer Quantum too and has some great ideas.

As for you being against a "voluntary police state" Apo.. It's voluntary, its not like you have to personally police it if you couldn't be bothered checking up on a few suspected players every once in a while... It's called voluntary for a reason.

Edit: Galatic logs do take the skill out of some good old fashioned sniping... I'll agree with that.

And thanks for the masking Knight - 4 times... I got carried away I see

I too will be going on vac and hope that many others will do the same.

@Apogryph U are one to talk im not going at u but i have seen u feed back to back and yes u maybe a very good player but it doesnt give u the right to CHEAT even tho u maybe one of the top players without feeding...... Just remember now that u are a known feeder i have lost respect for u .


Ascended Ra

P.s and no u dont know me

I was willing to forgo playing for rank and just become a very active feeder to prove a point but as V said, it's not going to solve the problem and will just carry on and on.

I think everyone should pitch up at the Wednesday Admin Meeting and demand these changes V and Apo suggested be implemented. The fact that you only get such a small amount of AT in Market is creating an even bigger problem with regards to the feeding issue. All these things are making Quantum unpleasant to play on.

Frankly, i am leaning towards sending a mail to the siteadmin/owner and informing him about all these issues. I am sure he would not want to see a game he created go down the drain due to a lack of support from the admin who's job it is to keep Quantum clean and fair for all to enjoy.

Oh, and with regards to removing the global attack logs...i think it should stay. Yes you get sniped but you just got to learn to bank fast. Besides, we all know by now who's the snipers out there and should either bank after every 2nd hit or come back when the snipers arent active.

Global attack logs reveals all these feedings. If we did not have it no one would have been the wiser about this feeding issue. Frankly, i do not trust the admin to make sure these kind of things do not happen behind the scenes. At least with the GAL we can check ourselves and monitor the situation. Not even mentioning the IP sharing and multi problems.

so far i understand this thread!^^

i also think this is a real problem!!
i haven't spend all turns on up but, also if i had i think i wasnt able to get 98k
as like many others!!
so its not for my understanding its not possible to get on top only by farming and play the normal way!
this really sucks!!!!
and this is why i've played no era till end! think this will happen more and more and like its sayed at any point the feeders play alone!

Apogryph wrote:This is just rediculous... I have given up making suggestions to help balance the game. Every single good suggestion ever made is ignored, so now i will help break the game further by joining in the feed fest, until such time as balances are put in place. Keeping up with feeders is possible under certain circumstances. Firstly, you need to negate their advantage by farming for 2-3x the average hit on an inactive. This is impossible for me as was proven last wave. By the end of the first month 80% of you whiners had shielded me, making it impossible for me to keep up with with knight being fed. Did I complain and whine? No, I did the best I could and had a decent finish with a very high glory accumulation.

Some previous suggestions made that would have helped:

1. Limit the maximum naq able to be taken in one hit in a similar fashion to main, and base it on army size, that way it will increase during the wave at a reasonable fashion. How would this help? Simply put, instead of getting 1k turns worth of naq with 15 AT, the person getting fed would have to spent 100 or 200 turns, which would help to lower their average amount of naq stolen per turn.

2. Remove the ability to shield people. That way people getting fed dont have anyway of protecting themselves from being massed. Also, this will put a stop to cowardly game play, forcing people to actually grow a pair and fight to protect their stats and resources.

3. Remove the galactic log. This doesn't help control feeding, it just encourages easy sniping, which is exactly what i said when it was first suggested.

Ever heard the saying "All is fair in love and war". Dishonor has nothing to do with this issue. It is simply a game balance issue that has never been resolved.

*waits for the pathetic and illogical flaming*

lol ab out the sheilding thing lol i jsu t made an acc liek last year i dnt play but i just log on and randomly sheild someone xd it might have been u

top 20 usually all are shielded by me


id sugest having that sorta power isn't worth it and remove it immediately.

im not gonna put anyone down for being fed, i dont agree with it i wouldnt want to play that way, i mean maybe once or whatever i can ignore or if you got massed and whatever.

anyways first thing the lower ammount of players is realy hurting things i think.

i have mixed feelings about the galatic logs on one hand best eras i played they werent there so who needs it, on other hand ive scored alotta cash with that thing.... but i end up feelin like a jack ass especialy when after ive already snipped someone (i always try to avoid doing it more then once a day) 2 minutes later they got 500+mil out!!!! UGH!

but in the end id rather it not be there maybe g for insanely HIGH hits, but have a 5-10 minutes delay like for bragging rights.

i do have mixed feelings about the shield though maybe have it only last a week but can only be used on a player ONCE an era. but then again theres PPT (but that dont let you farm)

of the people who have been fed that ive communicated with i dont have any problems with them honestly i wish they hadnt been fed woulda been much more fun going head to head with them like we were at start of wave before the feeding.

i hope somethings thought of, as of now ill keep playing i was on vaction for 2 years, but what i wont do is give another Dime to this game (i used to spend about $20-$40 a wave mostly just for the PPT though cause i had trouble loggin on during week)

i think that theres not much you can do about this problem anyways but they are legal hits and you will never be able to know if it was feeding or a mistake like trying to get upgrade and put in wrong number etc