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North Korea has short range Nukes, so what can or will anyone do ?

Also what happens when North Korea gets longer range nukes, will they be allowed to bully and attack anyone they want without retaliation ?

Already read this one...

Trouble is in the air.

i hope th uk goverment remember our countries massive dept before jumping in head first as has happened in the past

there are always problems with those two...

Nitro S wrote:there are always problems with those two...

We should force them to reunite. That worked with West/East Germany j/k

this is a bit of read but should open your eyes as to what is going on here:


Kim Jong-Il has put North Korean troops on combat alert and threatened military action if the South trespasses in its waters as global stock markets freak out at the prospect of a war which, if it occurs, can be blamed on the U.S. government’s history of arming the Stalinist dictator with nuclear weapons.

Korean markets plunged 3.3 per cent overnight as investors were spooked at escalating tensions between the two countries following South Korea’s allegation that the North was responsible for the March 26 torpedoing of one of its warships

Kim Jong-il responded to the charge by putting his military on combat alert, telling them to “prepare for war,” and threatening action if South Korea trespasses in its waters off the peninsula’s west coast.

On Monday, President Obama also told the U.S. military to prepare for conflict as it plans to carry out anti-submarine and other naval exercises with South Korea.

As we have documented, North Korea’s nuclear belligerency was almost exclusively a creation of the U.S. government in that they armed the Stalinist state both directly and indirectly through global arms dealers under their control, namely Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan. While labeling North Korea as part of the “axis of evil,” the U.S. government was enthusiastically funding its nuclear weapons program at every stage.

Both the Clinton and Bush administrations played a key role in helping Kim Jong-Il develop North Korea’s nuclear prowess from the mid 1990’s onwards.

Just as with Saddam Hussein’s chemical and biological weapons program, it was Donald Rumsfeld who played a key role in arming Kim-Jong-Il.

Rumsfeld was man who presided over a $200 million dollar contract to deliver equipment and services to build two light water reactor stations in North Korea in January 2000 when he was an executive director of ABB (Asea Brown Boveri). Wolfram Eberhardt, a spokesman for ABB confirmed that Rumsfeld was at nearly all the board meetings during his involvement with the company.

Rumsfeld was merely picking up the baton from the Clinton administration, who in 1994 agreed to replace North Korea’s domestically built nuclear reactors with light water nuclear reactors. So-called government-funded ‘experts’ claimed that light water reactors couldn’t be used to make bombs. Not so according to Henry Sokolski, head of the Non-proliferation Policy Education Center in Washington, who stated, “LWRs could be used to produce dozens of bombs’ worth of weapons-grade plutonium in both North Korea and Iran. This is true of all LWRs — a depressing fact U.S. policymakers have managed to block out.”

“These reactors are like all reactors, they have the potential to make weapons. So you might end up supplying the worst nuclear violator with the means to acquire the very weapons we’re trying to prevent it acquiring,” said Sokolski.

The U.S. State Department claimed that the light water reactors could not be used to produce bomb grade material and yet in 2002 urged Russia to end its nuclear co-operation with Iran for the reason that it didn’t want Iran armed with weapons of mass destruction. At the time, Russia was building light water reactors in Iran. According to the State Department, light water reactors in Iran can produce nuclear material but somehow the same rule doesn’t apply in North Korea.

In April 2002, the Bush administration announced that it would release $95 million of American taxpayer’s dollars to begin construction of the ‘harmless’ light water reactors in North Korea. Bush argued that arming the megalomaniac dictator Kim Jong-Il with the potential to produce a hundred nukes a year was, “vital to the national security interests of the United States.” Bush released even more money in January 2003, as was reported by Bloomberg News.

Bush released the funds despite the startling revelation, reported by South Korean newspapers, that a North Korean missile warhead had been found in Alaska.

Construction of the reactors was eventually suspended, but North Korea had an alternative source through which they could obtain the nuclear secrets vital to building an atom bomb arsenal – CIA asset and international arms smuggler AQ Khan.

In 2004, Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan, the father of Pakistan’s atom bomb program, admitted sharing nuclear technology via a worldwide smuggling network that included facilities in Malaysia that manufactured key parts for centrifuges.

Khan’s collaborator B.S.A. Tahir ran a front company out of Dubai that shipped centrifuge components to North Korea.

Despite Dutch authorities being deeply suspicious of Khan’s activities as far back as 1975, the CIA prevented them from arresting him on two occasions.

“The man was followed for almost ten years and obviously he was a serious problem. But again I was told that the secret services could handle it more effectively,” former Dutch Prime Minister Ruud Lubbers said. “The Hague did not have the final say in the matter. Washington did.”

Lubbers stated that Khan was allowed to slip in and out of the Netherlands with the blessing of the CIA, eventually allowing him to become the “primary salesman of an extensive international network for the proliferation of nuclear technology and know-how,” according to George W. Bush himself, and sell nuclear secrets that allowed North Korea to build nuclear bombs.

“Lubbers suspects that Washington allowed Khan’s activities because Pakistan was a key ally in the fight against the Soviets,” reports CFP. “At the time, the US government funded and armed mujahideen such as Osama bin Laden. They were trained by Pakistani intelligence to fight Soviet troops in Afghanistan. Anwar Iqbal, Washington correspondent for the Pakistani newspaper Dawn, told ISN Security Watch that Lubbers’ assertions may be correct. “This was part of a long-term foolish strategy. The US knew Pakistan was developing nuclear weapons but couldn’t care less because it was not going to be used against them. It was a deterrent against India and possibly the Soviets.”

In September 2005 it emerged that the Amsterdam court which sentenced Khan to four years imprisonment in 1983 had lost the legal files pertaining to the case. The court’s vice-president, Judge Anita Leeser, accused the CIA of stealing the files. “Something is not right, we just don’t lose things like that,” she told Dutch news show NOVA. “I find it bewildering that people lose files with a political goal, especially if it is on request of the CIA. It is unheard of.”

In 2005, Pakistani President Pervez Musharaf acknowledged that Khan had provided centrifuges and their designs to North Korea.

Through their policies in aiding North Korea to build light water reactors, and via the CIA asset AQ Khan who was protected at every step of the way while he helped provide North Korea with the means to build a nuclear arsenal, the U.S. government itself is directly complicit in providing North Korean dictator Kim Jong-Il with the nuclear weapons he now threatens to use against U.S. ally South Korea.

North Korea is controlled by a hereditary Stalinist dictatorship that has starved two million of its citizens to death in favor of building a million-man army. Some people put the figure at four million, one-quarter of the population. In the far north of the country there is a network of forced labor gulags where people who have ‘expressed a bland political opinion’ are, along with their entire families, tortured, raped and executed. Horrific bio-chemical experiments are performed on mass numbers of people. Babies are delivered and then stamped to death by the camp guards. If the mother screams while the guards are stamping on the baby’s neck, she is immediately assassinated by a firing squad. These guards are rewarded with bonuses and promotions for ripping out prisoners’ eyeballs.

The North Korean people are enslaved by a government that is using food as a weapon. Perhaps this is why the EU and the United States, via the UN World Food Program, resumed the shipment of hundreds of thousands of tons in food aid at the end of February 2003. This goes directly to the sitting dictatorship, which then decides who gets it by their level of allegiance to the state. Food aid only increases the power of Kim Jong-Il and yet it is veiled by the UN in bleeding heart humanitarian rhetoric. The money goes straight to enabling the North Korean leadership to live in the lap of westernized luxury with casinos and lavish new cars.

President Bush publicly claimed to loathe Kim Jong-Il and yet his administration, like Bill Clinton before him, set the policy to help North Korea obtain nuclear expertise. The U.S. intelligence network also protected AQ Khan and allowed him to provide the means with which North Korea acquired their nuclear capability.

If the tensions between the Koreas were to escalate into all out war, don’t expect the castrated American corporate media to mention how Kim Jong-Il grew to be such a threat in the first place – with the aid of nuclear weapons enthusiastically supplied by the U.S. government and its surrogates.

MEZZANINE wrote:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia_pacific/10129703.stm

North Korea has short range Nukes, so what can or will anyone do ?

Also what happens when North Korea gets longer range nukes, will they be allowed to bully and attack anyone they want without retaliation ?

AHEM *Iran* AHEM

Bah, when I read your post G, I'm feeling like US administration would say in defence: "It's nothing personal, it's just bizness!".
It's time these US admin people stop to create the problems they will have to solve later. Instead of spending to create and spending to solve, they should rather spend this cash in more important things...such as...building stars ships like in SG1!

Theres bigger fish to frie in the nuclear arms proliferation area!

God only knows who the israelis peddled WMD to in addition to the apartheit South Africa.

Sanctions! Sanctions! Sanctions!




AS far as S/NK goes... Its not like we can expect war declarations or anything, I`m calm.

kma i read your post and it is certainly an interesting view. i am all one for the consipracy theories and "background" dealings that are constantly going on which we dont hear or read about from the media.

i do have to question though at the same time how some of this information came about and weather it is a trusted source that provided it or not. it is very easy to misconcieve informationa dn to sensationalise certain topics or actions.

moving on from how north korea got to where it is, the worring fact is what they will do. from my personal opinion i beleive that they are much like Iraq was before it fell, big and tough on the outside but nothing much on the inside in terms of weapons of mass destructions and such. there are people starving there as you say and if the leadership take sthe ocuntry to war it wouldnt be able to sustain it very long when supplies are cut short. at the same time the west cannot sustain another long term war like iraq and afghanistan and they shouldnt have to. let the south korean army deeal with the ground support and im sure most of the people will be glad to be able to at least eat and get rid of the tyrany of the leadership

the west should also be pressing forward with putting more pressure on china to act more aggressivley towards the north koreans as they are feeding them along with the russians eitehr secretly or to piss off the americans in plain sight. times have moved on from the cold war and the constant threat that north korea poses not just to the outside world but its own people needs to be resolved and diplomatic actions have failed maybe time to bomb a few of their strategic weapons locations whcih im sure the CIA have already been monitoring. or my personal favourite is just assainate kim jong but in a subtle way so he doesnt become a martyr for his supporters.

brdavs dont even get me started about the israelis, they are just as worse in soem of their actions yet because of the ameraican backing they have they get away with it. it does make me wonder what would the west make of them and how they would treatt them if america all of a sudden turned their back on them (unlikley to happen) or israel was to become a rogue state like north korea is. also did you hear about teh latest government scandel with forged passports and diplomat being expelled from australia after a few of the isralei intelligence service were caught with forged passports who were made by the governments and these agents were assasins who were linked to some murders in the past. im sure you can find it if you google it.

rant over, sorry for spelling mistakes

Brdavs wrote:Theres bigger fish to frie in the nuclear arms proliferation area!

Like Pakistan, which happens to be one of most unsecure nations in this world, and how India can feel lucky that no taliban squad yet took control of several rocket launchers to use it as they wish.

LOL avenger's posts read like a crappy dan brown novel,

Secrete pacts;
Missinformation
LOL North Korean warhead found in Alaska....

OMg can't stop laughing.


We hear at the NWO have some questions for you avenger.

1; Why would the US give arms to Northkorea? (plz read about the korean war)
Following up your explanation; what would they gain by doing so?

2; Who was Kim's father and what were his public policies?

3; What happened to Korea after ww2?

4; Where did Khan go to school and in Region to did he grow up?

NOW answer ze questions or we put a bullet in Alex Jones fat round head.

Hmm, who knows if the nukes would actually fire.

Maybe, Kim Jong Il passes on soon and the successor is hungry for a hamburger or pizza and opens up the borders to the West. It will depend on which of his sons takes over though, rumblings have it that one is West friendly.

They may have a big army, but hopefully the North Korean soldiers don't want to commit suicide with an attack on South Korea. The death to kill ratio would not be in their favor, so it maybe a deterant. It would be like sending a Prior's 300 mil raiders up against an Unknown's 50 mil Supers Guards who have let's say Tekki's mothership .

north K is bullying?

I think they have their own reasons, just like how the USA has its own reasons.

Pak wrote:They may have a big army, but hopefully the North Korean soldiers don't want to commit suicide with an attack on South Korea. The death to kill ratio would not be in their favor, so it maybe a deterant. It would be like sending a Prior's 300 mil raiders up against an Unknown's 50 mil Supers Guards who have let's say Tekki's mothership .

Nice analogy!