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when i think about it, our "modern" post industrial society throughout the world has not known peace in a VERY long time.
depressions, food shortages, inflation, deflation, political incompetence, job losses and shut down of whole industrial sectors and nations industrial capacity's, fake and weak leadership, wars, famine and starvation, world wide ignorance of what's really going on, and this view of "everything that's happening in the world is normal because that's what we are born into" is shear madness! that last bit can only truly be understood by those old enough to have lived the transition of the past 30 years, and seen the MASSIVE swing of power from the people to the powers that be.
i saw a couple years ago a scientific report carried out on people watching the news. the conclusion of the report was that people cannot hold onto more than 2 crises at a time...no wonder people are stupid and swallow whole what's spoon fed to us by the Govt and the corporate controlled media, its because they cant remember yesterdays news!


people are fracking sleeping in every way, not just about the NWO, but everything, take the recent UK budget, i've seen people on the TV saying in not so many words-either "oh well, **Filtered** happens", or "if that's what it takes to get the economy back on track, then that's what it takes", the question thats been on my mind since the lib/con coalition Govt took power in the UK and now even more so with this ridiculous excuse for a budget is this...HOW FRACKING STUPID CAN PEOPLE GET?!?!

the saddest thing in all this is that most people think the world is normal and this is how it should be...IT IS FAR FROM FRACKING NORMAL!!!

I'm sorry what?!?!

You think the latest UK budget is some sort of ploy? or plot?

To do what exactly?

We have to balence the books of the country somehow, what exactly would you suggest, we carry on spending like Liebour did?

Unfortunately in life S*()&%*($% does happen, and this is the way its got to be or everyone will very soon be in an even worse position.

Things needs to balecne & currently they dont, this budget is just an attempt to rebalence the scales.

Good god, talk about seeing vipers in every nest

you've missed the whole point of the rant (which is EXACTLY what i was expecting) and focused solely on 1 aspect without taking that aspect in context with what's being said...

don't take this the wrong way because its not solely aimed at you, but this is what i mean by people sleeping.







as to your comments, so you think this budget is a good thing?

No i didnt miss your rant, hence the vipers in every nest comment, I just chose to focus on one little bit of it rather than posting a whole long wall of text which;

A ) no one will read
&
B ) I cant be bothered to waste my time typing out


Theres a difference between not caring, not knowing & simple indifference. You do know that right?

And yes the budget is a good thing as you ask, as said we need things to balence & currently the vast machinery of the 'state' is out of balence thanks to 13 years of mismanagement.

your attitude just makes me laugh!


you have missed the point of the rant, as is evidenced by your admission that people are apathetic towards their own well being and the well being of their own country's.


the budget is crap and you should know better...before you jump down my throat, yes i do understand the mismanagement of our nations budget...for the past 400+ years, not 13 as you are incorrectly trying to point out to me....


sorry, but peoples apathy and downright ignorance of everything makes me want to puke!

Now one ever said its normal, but then again no one bothers to do anything. Including us.

What is 'normal' ?

A hundred years ago life expectancies were shorter, people worked insane hours that are illegal today, health care was only available for people who could afford it and most people working to the day they died, go back further and quality of life was even worse.

Yes the world is unfair, have and have nots, privileged on top and in control, slaves or wage slaves ( subsistence workers ) at the bottom with little hope of change, but it has always been that way, thats nothing new to this generation. Are people 'sleeping' ignorant to reality, of course, they always have been else they would go insane with the futility of it all. In the past they were all promised a better life after death by religions, now they have been educated they live in hope of the lottery win, the new god.... MONEY


As for the new UK budget, yes the poor will take the brunt of the cuts/taxes, again nothing new, and it does have to be done, if the UK went on borrowing and spending we would simply go bankrupt. Our population is to high and we all want more than we can afford, well to bad, despite what the politicians wanting power say, their promises are simply unsustainable.

Ahhh KMA you are so good at times, you never fail to make me smile.

You rant is nothing more than seeing vipers in every nest, if you've failed to understand that statement perhaps this will help;

You are seeing what you want to see, which is why you find soooo many conspiracies.

Face if KMA, people dont sleep through life instead they pick & choose their battles and limit what they do to those things they can affect rather than things that will carry on regardless. Its called discretion, learning some will help you no end

All im going to say is Governments only think about money.

If someone is dieing they always bring in the money side.

Like cancer they think they need money to cure cancer hu no you do not you dont need money to think.

Goverments are greedy little fools behind a desk telling us how to do stuff.Who gives them the right to tell us what to do with our lives?

They put money on everything food,watertax,car insaurance,gas,energy.


Hell they even want money to go to war.

I could make a table for someone and be happy but if you ask the goverment to do the same thing they'll ask for money first.


To me money is pethetic and we can do way lot more without it.


Think where we would be if money didnt exist.Think of what technology,history of this world etc.

O_Altair_O wrote:All im going to say is Governments only think about money.

If someone is dieing they always bring in the money side.

Like cancer they think they need money to cure cancer hu no you do not you dont need money to think.

Goverments are greedy little fools behind a desk telling us how to do stuff.Who gives them the right to tell us what to do with our lives?

They put money on everything food,watertax,car insaurance,gas,energy.


Hell they even want money to go to war.

I could make a table for someone and be happy but if you ask the goverment to do the same thing they'll ask for money first.


To me money is pethetic and we can do way lot more without it.


Think where we would be if money didnt exist.Think of what technology,history of this world etc.

Now I can hear the "rich are greedy and bad, politicians are corrupted let's hate them etc". You know what, governments are made of people like you and me, who just took specific studies and managed to get themselves in politics. People always whine about rich people being greedy, about govs being corrupted etc...

Do think about one thing. They are in this situation, you are not. I'm very sure many of them used to be people criticizing politics saying themselves, unlike others, would be different. In the end, they most of time got changed by the power feeling. Not all , but well.

That's why I always face palm about people being into social class fights, hate on the rich, hate on politicians etc...if you were them, you would think and behave like them. Don't try to say otherwise.

Leg Apophis wrote:

O_Altair_O wrote:All im going to say is Governments only think about money.

If someone is dieing they always bring in the money side.

Like cancer they think they need money to cure cancer hu no you do not you dont need money to think.

Goverments are greedy little fools behind a desk telling us how to do stuff.Who gives them the right to tell us what to do with our lives?

They put money on everything food,watertax,car insaurance,gas,energy.


Hell they even want money to go to war.

I could make a table for someone and be happy but if you ask the goverment to do the same thing they'll ask for money first.


To me money is pethetic and we can do way lot more without it.


Think where we would be if money didnt exist.Think of what technology,history of this world etc.

Now I can hear the "rich are greedy and bad, politicians are corrupted let's hate them etc". You know what, governments are made of people like you and me, who just took specific studies and managed to get themselves in politics. People always whine about rich people being greedy, about govs being corrupted etc...

Do think about one thing. They are in this situation, you are not. I'm very sure many of them used to be people criticizing politics saying themselves, unlike others, would be different. In the end, they most of time got changed by the power feeling. Not all , but well.

That's why I always face palm about people being into social class fights, hate on the rich, hate on politicians etc...if you were them, you would think and behave like them. Don't try to say otherwise.

Without us they wouldnt even be rich.without us they would be nothing.

Goverments hide stuff from us all the time its a known fact thoughout history.

O_Altair_O wrote:

Leg Apophis wrote:

O_Altair_O wrote:All im going to say is Governments only think about money.

If someone is dieing they always bring in the money side.

Like cancer they think they need money to cure cancer hu no you do not you dont need money to think.

Goverments are greedy little fools behind a desk telling us how to do stuff.Who gives them the right to tell us what to do with our lives?

They put money on everything food,watertax,car insaurance,gas,energy.


Hell they even want money to go to war.

I could make a table for someone and be happy but if you ask the goverment to do the same thing they'll ask for money first.


To me money is pethetic and we can do way lot more without it.


Think where we would be if money didnt exist.Think of what technology,history of this world etc.

Now I can hear the "rich are greedy and bad, politicians are corrupted let's hate them etc". You know what, governments are made of people like you and me, who just took specific studies and managed to get themselves in politics. People always whine about rich people being greedy, about govs being corrupted etc...

Do think about one thing. They are in this situation, you are not. I'm very sure many of them used to be people criticizing politics saying themselves, unlike others, would be different. In the end, they most of time got changed by the power feeling. Not all , but well.

That's why I always face palm about people being into social class fights, hate on the rich, hate on politicians etc...if you were them, you would think and behave like them. Don't try to say otherwise.

Without us they wouldnt even be rich.without us they would be nothing.

Goverments hide stuff from us all the time its a known fact thoughout history.

And they used to be us, like we might one day become them.

Obviously some politicians are corrupted, but generalizing that is a sign of jealousy and trying to blame them about something. Not all politicians are corrupted, but when you become a politician, you use the ways of politics, like ancient romans and ancient greeks already did. Convince the masses with good speeches, while they don't always believe in what they say. That's how it is.

O_Altair_O wrote:All im going to say is Governments only think about money.

Liar.

O_Altair_O wrote: If someone is dieing they always bring in the money side.

Like cancer they think they need money to cure cancer hu no you do not you dont need money to think.

So you would have the scientists work for free? Forgive me while I crash in a fit of laughter at that ridiculous idea. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

O_Altair_O wrote: Goverments are greedy little fools behind a desk telling us how to do stuff.Who gives them the right to tell us what to do with our lives?

The fact that you, Altair, cannot govern yourself responsibly, and have given your vote to whoever you voted for. (Which I know, in your case, is no one.. but in 6 years or so, when you'll be allowed to vote, you will.)

O_Altair_O wrote: They put money on everything food,watertax,car insaurance,gas,energy.

Gee, I wonder why. Maybe because power plants don't magically maintain themselves? Maybe because roads don't fix holes themselves? Maybe because water doesn't purify itself in sufficient quantity? Maybe because the world is full of morons who love nothing better but to crash their cars into people? Maybe because gas doesn't magically appear in your heating system?

O_Altair_O wrote: Hell they even want money to go to war.

You are being ridiculous, and you know it.

O_Altair_O wrote: I could make a table for someone and be happy but if you ask the goverment to do the same thing they'll ask for money first.

You realise you'll die because your baker doesn't take pity on your poverty and homelessness, right? Making tables is fine, dieing of hunger and sickness isn't. And you will. Because your community won't give a damn. Once everyone has a table, you're dead weight.

O_Altair_O wrote: To me money is pethetic and we can do way lot more without it.
Think where we would be if money didnt exist.Think of what technology,history of this world etc.

John Lennon did. Look what it got him. Dead.

*keeps laughing at the ridiculous ideas*

MEZZANINE wrote:As for the new UK budget, yes the poor will take the brunt of the cuts/taxes, again nothing new, and it does have to be done, if the UK went on borrowing and spending we would simply go bankrupt. Our population is to high and we all want more than we can afford, well to bad, despite what the politicians wanting power say, their promises are simply unsustainable.

what if there was a better way and all it would take to implement is for people to tell the Govt in one voice "give us what we want or else!"....or is it to much for people to stand together in nationalistic pride?
i'm not just talking about the UK here.

Kit-Fox wrote:Ahhh KMA you are so good at times, you never fail to make me smile.

You rant is nothing more than seeing vipers in every nest, if you've failed to understand that statement perhaps this will help;

You are seeing what you want to see, which is why you find soooo many conspiracies.

Face if KMA, people dont sleep through life instead they pick & choose their battles and limit what they do to those things they can affect rather than things that will carry on regardless. Its called discretion, learning some will help you no end

mate, i understand what your saying but your not getting what i said, it has nothing to do with "finding vipers in every nest". it has everything to do with the worlds economy going down the crapper, our money dwindling because of mismanagement of public funds from 1 successive Govt after another while we sit back and watch with smug assuredness "thats how its meant to be", wait long enough and you will see what i mean.
i witnessed thatchers Govt destroyed and yet the conservatives still remained in power for 2 more terms even when the public could see it was wasn't working because people even just a few years ago remember the labour Govt prior to thatchers nearly bankrupting Britain...did that stop people voting Tony Blairs "new Labour" back into power when they were disillusioned enough with John Major and the conservatives?! the same things happened again and yet people wont call a halt to the whole thing and clear them all out of parliament completely. you watch, the same crap is going to happen again!







PS, anyone read the 2 articles i posted in the oil spill thread?

@Altair
If money disappeared, people would trade goods for others. That worked in small social structures, however in a great one, how could you determine value of a pan compared to chair, to coconuts, or to chicken wings?
People would try to scam, and in the end it would be worse.
Even in pacific ocean islands, they use shells as currency, because they understood that goods for goods cannot be effective to properly trade. Hustling merchants whom would trade 10 coconuts for three pans instead of "official" value being 10 coconuts being 1 pan...how could the trade values be known by people if all goods could be traded with all goods?