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muslim stuff

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:23 am
by [KMA]Avenger
well, i'm flabbergasted at the route this "discussion" has taken :shock: #-o

i was not trying to have a debate about either "conspiracy's" or "conspiracy theory's", i was simply trying to have a discussion based solely on what was said in the film...hence the title of the topic...


any chance we can confine the discussion to that area?!?! ](*,)

Re: dumb science!

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:31 am
by Juliette
[KMA]Avenger wrote:well, i'm flabbergasted at the route this "discussion" has taken :shock: #-o

i was not trying to have a debate about either "conspiracy's" or "conspiracy theory's", i was simply trying to have a discussion based solely on what was said in the film...hence the title of the topic...


any chance we can confine the discussion to that area?!?! ](*,)
Good to see you're not denying the veracity of my words.


[KMA]Avenger wrote:i was simply trying to have a discussion based solely on what was said in the film
We will ALWAYS bring our own perspectives, our own knowledge and our own experience to a discussion. To require of anyone that they don't do that, is asking for a 'discussion' along these lines: "Watch this vid." - "Nice." - "What do you think?" - "Good stuff."
We both agree that such a 'discussion' would be a pathetic extract of an actual discussion we could, and should have. Instead, no longer restricted by the limitations you placed which we proved to be nonconducting to any discussion we could have, we argue that the basis for the film ignores the larger issue of Muslim Imperialism in favour of cheap shots along the all-too-familiar lines of common conspiracy theory.

Ergo, we come to this. How does this flabbergast you? ;)

Re: dumb science!

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:44 am
by [KMA]Avenger
i might be flabbergasted because the man knows what he's talking about maybe?

or, you have gone from discussing the film to blaming extremist mulsims for all of western peoples woes?


ok, lets have an open discussion, not bother about the film and talk instead about extremist muslims...


go Google the name Tim Osman and also Google "air lift of evil". (i think its airlift of evil. as you well know, all my info is gone and i just carnt be arsed to go find it all again, was hard enough finding the official documents the first time around.) then we can talk properly. don't point fingers unless you understand who the REAL enemy is.

Re: dumb science!

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:15 am
by LegendaryA
[KMA]Avenger wrote:ok, lets have an open discussion, not bother about the film and talk instead about extremist muslims...


go Google the name Tim Osman and also Google "air lift of evil". (i think its airlift of evil. as you well know, all my info is gone and i just carnt be arsed to go find it all again, was hard enough finding the official documents the first time around.) then we can talk properly. don't point fingers unless you understand who the REAL enemy is was.

Corrected your post (the end).
Just because CIA funded the mujahidines in Afghanistan back in 80's to fight USSR who decided to invade Afghanistan doesn't mean that those people didn't grew up from themselves since then. You are obviously underestimating those people limiting them to merely creations who were still are and will remain puppets of no idea which secret organisation.
Cold War ended, and those people took opportunity from this. Thanks to silly CIA mistake to help them, they can start again their project about conquering what they call the "Dar al Harb", in other words, the lands where Islam doesn't prevail, the land of infidels which has still to be conquered.
Unfinished bisness both in 7th century (end of persian empire and conquering from several byzantin territories) and 15th century (conquest of eastern europe, fall of Constantinople to Ottomans), now possible for them, to have a try at Europe. Moreover, there is already sufficient fears installed among paranoid ones, which those people took over the control from far right movements (NWO conspiracy inherits itself from far right populist parties in the USA, and this fear is still "practiced" by them as I saw recently), and also conspiracy coming from Jews who supposedly make appear that muslims are evil while it's them behind it (this one, taken from nazis and the likes far right movements). When fears are already there, only thing they need to do is to drive those fears at their own interest, and slowly but surely conquer by adding new demands and other means, to find grey areas in democracies to be able to prosper.
Those grey areas are what we call freedom of cult, tolerance to the other, etc...with help of brainwashed "political correct" left wingers and far leftists (who always lived in utopia), they manage to get their demands granted, and thanks to associations made by those political correct brainwashed people, they are merely worried to be stopped and be accused what they are. Those associations pretending to fight against racism, which infact only fight against certain forms of racisms, to protect those people with double standard stance on racism. That's the "viewable" side of the iceberg, of course. Those radicals also invented the term "islamophobia", another "weapon" to defend their spreading by using a grey area from democracy, the "tolerance", accuse someone of racism, is the rapid way to save yourself to do most of what you want. You accuse others to be paranoid, to be xenophob, have some people represent your side with nice speeches in which they don't believe at all, while on the other hand acting and thinking totally differently. Paranoia can be used to create false things, but also to hide real things.
Yes, I mentionned far right then left wing and far left. Simply because those people used the wepaons existing from far right, and are now manipulating the left and far left into helping them doing their scheme. They aren't that stupid, they understood well how our systems can be abused from inside to their advantage.

Re: dumb science!

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:30 am
by [KMA]Avenger
Jim, let me get this straight...


you think the creation of Al-Qaeda is something that "got away" from the CIA? :?

Re: dumb science!

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:35 am
by [KMA]Avenger
somethings just struck me which to my shame, should have struck me 20 minutes ago...


what the hell have muslims, extremists or otherwise-got to do with the lie that oil=fossil fuels? :?

Re: dumb science!

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:44 am
by LegendaryA
[KMA]Avenger wrote:somethings just struck me which to my shame, should have struck me 20 minutes ago...


what the hell have muslims, extremists or otherwise-got to do with the lie that oil=fossil fuels? :?

Hmmm maybe do they control a significant part of oil sources? :razz:

As for your previous question, well, whatever CIA might have done during cold war, and helped, is something that we get to know more and more. However, what I meant was that when Cold war was finished, and considering hate those people have to USA, I don't think that USA maintained any kind of relations like they did during cold war. USSR was defeated, and this alliance was just about 'your enemy and mine is the same, so we ought to fight together, until its fall'. Such convenient alliances are probably as old as humanity is..
Now if we start about Hussein, he's quite different from radical muslims and the likes. It's more an iraqian Hugo Chavez than an iraqian bin laden. Which was useful to fight revolution in Iran (from an american point of view)...who happend to be similar to radical muslims.

Re: dumb science!

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:52 am
by [KMA]Avenger
the enemy of my enemy is my friend, i understand all that Jim and i do not agree with it in the modern world, once a long time ago, such alliances happened. but today, they are all still in bed with each other, "which is why in the airlift of evil" operation (or whatever it was called officially) the US transported a few thousand (forget the exact figure) Taliban fighters/leaders into Pakistan to spread this fraud that's called "the war on terrorism".

the west and its muslim allies controls the vast majority of the worlds oil rich areas now Jim, not the terrorists.

Re: dumb science!

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:56 am
by LegendaryA
[KMA]Avenger wrote:the enemy of my enemy is my friend, i understand all that Jim and i do not agree with it in the modern world, once a long time ago, such alliances happened. but today, they are all still in bed with each other, "which is why in the airlift of evil" operation (or whatever it was called officially) the US transported a few thousand (forget the exact figure) Taliban fighters/leaders into Pakistan to spread this fraud that's called "the war on terrorism".

the west and its muslim allies controls the vast majority of the worlds oil rich areas now Jim, not the terrorists.

Probably not terrorists, but they are still rich radicals and I don't consider them better than terrorists themselves!
I didn't mean only terrorists are the problem in my long post previously, I also meant those radical muslims ("wahhabism") who got the money and give funds around the world to spread this ideological radicalism.
Sure they don't bomb cars or trains, but they indirectly "bomb" minds of thousands if not millions around the world.

Re: dumb science!

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:10 am
by [KMA]Avenger
ok, so where do "they" get the money from to spread their ideology around the world...maybe from the US who gave the Taliban a couple years back millions of $ as a reward when they burnt some poppy fields?


http://www.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q= ... a=N&tab=wi

and here its admitted the US is guarding and helping to grow opium poppies:
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo ... py_Fields/


oh i'm SUUUURE the soldiers are upset they cant grow water melons and cucumbers!!!

Re: dumb science!

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:12 am
by LegendaryA
I was talking about rich people from Saudi Arabia and the likes, who usually (some do, though) don't have links with talibans or the likes.

Re: dumb science!

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:37 am
by [KMA]Avenger
this is also true...


you'll have to forgive my tone, i'm still flabbergasted and perplexed as to how we went from a topic about scientific fraud to muslim extremists :? ](*,)

Re: dumb science!

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:04 am
by LegendaryA
[KMA]Avenger wrote:this is also true...


you'll have to forgive my tone, i'm still flabbergasted and perplexed as to how we went from a topic about scientific fraud to muslim extremists :? ](*,)

I just followed the way discussion took.. 8-[

Re: dumb science!

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:15 am
by [KMA]Avenger
i know, i was speaking generally ;)

Re: dumb science!

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:17 am
by Moe Man
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