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global financial meltdown looming large.
Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:38 am
by [KMA]Avenger
reports out of the UN have called for the dollars reserve status to be replaced by a "new global reserve system":
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6 ... e%2BReaderi'm also reading allot of articles and watching interviews by well respected top economists, they differ in opinion about certain details and dont necessarily support each others predictions, but 1 thing they all seem agreed on is that global economic collapse is not as far away as it seems.
with the exception of the above Reuters link i wont be posting any other links, but the info is all over the web.
i've got a very sneaky feeling the US (along with Israel) will launch an attack on Iran if for no other reason than to divert our attention while the whole rotten structure collapses around us.
will the global economy collapse?! i have no doubt, the price of gold tells us it will collapse. about a year and half ago (i think) i told you lot in this very forum to watch the price of gold when it was just under $800 an ounce...i've given up keeping tabs on how much its gone up in the past year.
Greece is being forced to sell of her assets, islands and utilities for next to nothing to the very bankers who bankrupted her. they also tried the same crap in Iceland but they were smarter than the Greeks and told the bankers to **Filtered** off!
they are also printing money to prop-up our failing debt based worthless cash and that alone is a recipe for disaster, those of you who are economically more savy than me about such matters wont need me to tell you what happens to a nation and the value of its money when the money-presses are pumping out cash like it was going out of fashion....
anyways, discuss/debate the worlds economy and what you think about whats happening in Greece and the rest of the financial world.
PS, my personal opinion about the Greek situation is that they should default on their debts, go back to the Drachma and bring charges against certain banks and individuals.
PSS. Spain and Portugal better wake up others wise they are going suffer the same fate as Greece.
PSS. i dont know about you guys but i'm stocking up on heirloom (non-GMO) seed. seed in the past has out performed gold and its going to happen again!
PSSS. can someone please explain to me how we expect to haul ourselves out of such a mess like we have done during passed recessions when we have switched from industrial based economies to service economies ?
i mean, who the hell is going to buy insurance, open a bank account, want their carpets cleaned or take out an over 50 plan when our money becomes worth less than the paper its printed on?
Re: global financial meltdown looming large.
Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:03 am
by MEZZANINE
Greece bankrupt, send in the bailiffs, sure they could get a good price for the Parthenon, and land it sits on would be worth a mint
As for Spain, 'Land Grab' in reverse, take back the land they stole off foreign owners, not sure about Portugal, do they have any assets ? Any bank dumb enough to lend to someone without security deserves not to be paid back
The world bank always confused me, they are totally imaginary, they have no real money just virtual stuff like a computer game, Id say crash their servers with a nice virus and the whole problem goes away
As for Iran, of course we will invade as soon as troops are available, they have lots of yummy black gold and we wants it, even if we cant take it we can blow everything up then give the rebuilding contracts to western companies to be paid out of oil sales, sound familiar ?
Re: global financial meltdown looming large.
Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:18 pm
by Thriller
mezz i don't think you understand how the IMF works.
They are a go between for countries to lend money to one another. It doesn't make its own currency
They are supposed to represent a neutral third party and help negotiate deals. To keep currency trading on the up and up and not let the practice degrade to economic warfare.
Re: global financial meltdown looming large.
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:14 am
by MEZZANINE
Thriller wrote:mezz i don't think you understand how the IMF works.
They are a go between for countries to lend money to one another. It doesn't make its own currency
They are supposed to represent a neutral third party and help negotiate deals. To keep currency trading on the up and up and not let the practice degrade to economic warfare.
lol I work as a treasury officer for a Housing Association with £150 Mill + of housing stock, £80 Mill + of Mortgages and £15 Mill + of investments, and my work this year has included borrowing £10 Mill from Barclays Singapore at 2 points above Libor ( 0.87% ) then re-investing it at 2.03% in Barclays UK fixed term investments, same bank, free money. I do have some idea of how international finance works, I just like taking the Mickey Bliss
Re: global financial meltdown looming large.
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:20 am
by Juliette
And here I am, all certain that this collapse thing already happened, and will happen again. Nothing is new, everything is just a repeat in a 'new' context.
Re: global financial meltdown looming large.
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:31 am
by [KMA]Avenger
can you guys do me a favour please?!
send me pics of your very broad smiles when the global economy collapses, and the same people who made it all collapse say "WE HAVE THE SOLUTION! NWO TIME!!" and after we invade Iran and WW3 starts....
io want to see how many of you are left with grins and sarcy comments
Re: global financial meltdown looming large.
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:43 am
by Juliette
[KMA]Avenger wrote:can you guys do me a favour please?!
send me pics of your very broad smiles when the global economy collapses, and the same people who made it all collapse say "WE HAVE THE SOLUTION! NWO TIME!!" and after we invade Iran and WW3 starts....
io want to see how many of you are left with grins and sarcy comments
You're behind on the news. Iran has already fallen. We're just thinking of a better way to break the news. Probably going to tie in BP's Iranian funders, make them out to wage an actual war on the planet. It's all due to Islam in the end. Even the Jewish cabals are just that, reactionary anti-Muslims.
Anyway.. You'll get that smile, G. *grin* You could not possibly expect me to cry over spilt milk.
Re: global financial meltdown looming large.
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:17 am
by [KMA]Avenger
lol, you'll be only one smiling when the economy collapses....
you guys may think i'm nuts or over reacting to the global depression we're in (and if you go by the official numbers, we are not far off a full on recession, and if you go by unofficial numbers, we are in a recession), but i'm telling you lot the global economy will collapse, just as i told you lot when gold was below 800$ an ounce to watch the price rise.
do you know what nearly happened in Germany just a few weeks ago?
Re: global financial meltdown looming large.
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:57 am
by Thriller
MEZZANINE wrote:Thriller wrote:mezz i don't think you understand how the IMF works.
They are a go between for countries to lend money to one another. It doesn't make its own currency
They are supposed to represent a neutral third party and help negotiate deals. To keep currency trading on the up and up and not let the practice degrade to economic warfare.
lol I work as a treasury officer for a Housing Association with £150 Mill + of housing stock, £80 Mill + of Mortgages and £15 Mill + of investments, and my work this year has included borrowing £10 Mill from Barclays Singapore at 2 points above Libor ( 0.87% ) then re-investing it at 2.03% in Barclays UK fixed term investments, same bank, free money. I do have some idea of how international finance works, I just like taking the Mickey Bliss
Mickey Bliss?
Maybe you could provide some incite than to the dirivative market collapse.
Why do you beleive it got out of control? And in your opinion, should such markets be regulated?
Re: global financial meltdown looming large.
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:06 am
by [KMA]Avenger
Thriller wrote:
Why do you beleive it got out of control?
LOL!
"out of control"?
who said the derivative market got out of control? Goldman Sachs knew EXACTLY what would happen as was outlined in Mclatchy news 5 part special which showed GS engineered the whole damn thing. that shows control, not a lack of.
Re: global financial meltdown looming large.
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:09 am
by Thriller
[KMA]Avenger wrote:Thriller wrote:
Why do you beleive it got out of control?
LOL!
"out of control"?
who said the derivative market got out of control? Goldman Sachs new EXACTLY what would happen as was outlined in Mclatchy news 5 part special which showed GS new what was going on and what would happen, and even went as far to make it happen...that shows control, not a lack of.
That question was directed a someone who actually works in property financing.
I appreciate your input but what would goldman gain from making itself bankrupt?
Anyway... Maybe mezz is in on the hole thing avenger? He does make money from playing the fractional market. Maybe he is an NWO spy?
Let's see what he has to say.
Re: global financial meltdown looming large.
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:17 am
by [KMA]Avenger
Thriller wrote:That question was directed a someone who actually works in property financing.
well, excuse me for butting in...didn't know it was a private party
Thriller wrote:I appreciate your input but what would goldman gain from making itself bankrupt?
read the 5 part special by Mclatchy (i thinks that's how Mclatchy is spelt?
) which proves Goldman engineered it and bet on both sides. not only did they make a shed load of money but they also got rid of their competition
Thriller wrote:Anyway... Maybe mezz is in on the hole thing avenger? He does make money from playing the fractional market. Maybe he is an NWO spy?
Let's see what he has to say.
the NWO is really nice, i like the NWO...i didnt mean the bad things i said about them...honest!
*runs away*
Re: global financial meltdown looming large.
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:30 am
by Morbid Angel
The Volvox colony is nearing the end of it's resources. Man will not understand how we must live on this planet until the illusion crumbles.
Re: global financial meltdown looming large.
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:32 am
by Thriller
Morbid Angel wrote:The Volvox colony is nearing the end of it's resources. Man will not understand how we must live on this planet until the illusion crumbles.
WTH?
Re: global financial meltdown looming large.
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:35 am
by MEZZANINE
Thriller wrote:MEZZANINE wrote:Thriller wrote:mezz i don't think you understand how the IMF works.
They are a go between for countries to lend money to one another. It doesn't make its own currency
They are supposed to represent a neutral third party and help negotiate deals. To keep currency trading on the up and up and not let the practice degrade to economic warfare.
lol I work as a treasury officer for a Housing Association with £150 Mill + of housing stock, £80 Mill + of Mortgages and £15 Mill + of investments, and my work this year has included borrowing £10 Mill from Barclays Singapore at 2 points above Libor ( 0.87% ) then re-investing it at 2.03% in Barclays UK fixed term investments, same bank, free money. I do have some idea of how international finance works, I just like taking the Mickey Bliss
Mickey Bliss?
What rhymes with it ? More commonly known as taking the Michael.Maybe you could provide some incite than to the dirivative market collapse.
Thats a BIG subject with many facets that is not in my line of work and I am no expert on, but the basic principal of Derivatives is gambling and hedging your bets, it's a fundamentally flawed system which encourages speculation, and fools people into thinking you can have your cake and eat it. Hedge funds and banks have made a mint using this and they think they are making money from thin air in a virtual world but there is no such thing, there is only finite money and playing this game removes money from real tangible production, manufacturing and service providers, and further down the chain the customers, the public. Real businesses and real people get further and further into unsustainable debt to feed the vultures who play the market until those real people and real businesses default. I would NOT say that the Derivative market has or will collapse, but it does massive damage to the real businesses and people who do real jobs and contributes to economy collapseWhy do you beleive it got out of control? And in your opinion, should such markets be regulated?
It's out of control because there are no controls, those who do it make quick and big short term gains, governments get easy tax incomes from this, again very short sighted, and YES regulation is need but it is impossible as any regulation would have to be worldwide and there will always be some countries willing to go for the short term gains over long term stable prosperity which requires hard work.