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US middle class is being wiped out: here's the article...

Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 2:19 am
by [KMA]Avenger
to prove it: http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/ar ... o-Prove-It


i cant help but laugh at how easy it is for the bankers to get away with stealing trillions of dollars world wide and the Govt has the shear audacity to tax us into oblivion to pay for the central bank loans which they then gave away to the very banks they fracking borrowed it from in the first place while we sit back and watch it happen.


there's also this which applies to all western nations, not just the US:

[spoiler]Austerity Fascism Is Coming And It Will Be Brutal
Welcome to the age of rage – riots and revolutions will be the reaction to the next stage of the new world order



Paul Joseph Watson
Tuesday, June 8, 2010

Top historians, social and financial analysts are warning that the draconian austerity measures currently being prepared by governments in the west will cause riots and even revolutions as people react with fury in response to their jobs, savings, basic public services, pensions and welfare money being seized by the financial terrorists who caused the economic collapse in the first place.

British historian Simon Schama is a creature of the establishment and he makes it clear whose side he is on at the end of his recent column for the Bilderberg-controlled Financial Times entitled, The World Teeters on the Brink of a New Age of Rage: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/45796f88-653a ... ab49a.html However, the fact that he is an elitist at heart only makes Schama’s predications all the more alarming. This is someone on the inside who is painfully aware of the fact that the imminent attempt on behalf of the globalists to enforce so-called “austerity measures” on the people of the west, which in reality is a euphemistic term for the next leg of the new world order, is not just going to cause riots and mass social unrest, but it could even lead to revolution if the elite allow the situation to spiral out of their control.

Schama’s forecast that “we might be on the threshold of an age of rage” is not to be taken lightly. This isn’t coming from Alex Jones, Max Keiser or Gerald Celente, it’s coming directly from a man considered to be Britain’s pre-eminent contemporary historian.

Schama writes that the coming austerity measures, particularly in America where anger “targeted at an elitist federal authority is raging through the US like a fever,” will require “Barack Obama to be more than a head tutor. It will need him to be a warrior of the word every bit as combative as the army of the righteous that believes it has the Constitution on its side, and in its inchoate thrashings, can yet bring down the governance of the American Republic.”

In other words, Obama will have to ditch “misplaced obligations of civility” and become an authoritarian enforcer in order to emerge successful against the rising tide of Constitutionalist rage that will be directed against the coming austerity fascism.

We’ve all seen the numerous videos of protesters in Greece rioting, fighting police, and even firebombing banks and killing people in reaction to the crippling austerity measures imposed by the government in the name of appeasing the mandates of the European Union’s near $1 trillion dollar bailout package. However, the establishment media as a whole has largely failed to identify precisely what those austerity measures are, and more importantly how they will almost undoubtedly lead to massive social dislocation in the UK and the United States when implemented.

The austerity measures currently being considered and indeed implemented in the UK and other European countries, with the United States not too far behind, can be summarized as follows.

Massive cuts to public services that are two or three times larger in size than anything we’ve witnessed since the second world war.

Both capping of and reduction of salaries for public sector workers that will inevitably lead to huge strikes, bringing whole countries to a standstill for weeks on end, further eviscerating any economic recovery. Public sector workers in France and Spain are already staging large industrial strikes. As we saw in Greece, strikes routinely lead to riots and violence.

Shocking tax increases that if they mirror previous trends could amount to an astounding 98 per cent tax on all earnings over a low level of income. Such increases would virtually eliminate the middle class because all earnings over around £20,000 ($28,000) would almost entirely go straight to the government. Knowing that such exorbitant hikes would cause millions of people to try to evade tax, thousands of new tax inspectors are being hired to crackdown on evaders. In the United States, 16,000 new IRS agents were recently hired in anticipation of people avoiding massive tax hikes that are in the pipeline, as well as new taxes as a result of Obamacare, which will begin to be implemented in the coming years.

Cuts in social welfare payments that will devastate the poor if they are already laboring under runaway inflation. The economically deprived will take to the streets with a mind set of nothing to lose if the government handouts they have become dependent on are drastically reduced.

VAT increases for people who already pay some of the highest income tax levels in the world. Europeans are forced to pay a 15-25 per cent surcharge on the purchase of most items and services, and this stealth tax is only set to increase. Greece recently upped its VAT from 21 per cent to 23 per cent. In the United States, President Obama has made it clear that a value added tax is “still on the table” as the IMF also outlines plans for a financial transaction tax which amounts to yet another insidious stealth tax on consumption.

Governments will try to seize pension funds by continually raising the retirement age so pensions are constantly kept out of reach until people die. In Greece, the government is linking the pension to the average life span index, so most people won’t even get it before they die. Strikes across France in response to similar proposals have closed schools, delayed flights and caused chaos.

In many European countries, laws govern the amount of employees private companies can fire in any one period of time. In Greece, the number of people companies will be allowed to lay off has doubled from 2% to 4% of their work force. Taken to its extreme, this could double unemployment in the private sector, placing yet more strain on unemployment benefits, which will also be reduced, and driving people into poverty.

All of these measures have been implemented to one degree or another in Greece and we witnessed the consequences. What makes the situation far more terrifying is the fact that the austerity measures being readied for Europe and especially the UK are far more drastic than what the Greeks have been dealt.

The last time anything remotely this drastic was imposed in the UK post World War Two was in 1977 when public spending was cut by 4 per cent. This led to massive strikes, riots, bodies being left unburied, and the German chancellor declaring Britain “no longer a developed country”. This turmoil occurred just a few years after the UK government had imposed a three-day-week as a result of massive industrial strikes by coal miners in order to conserve electricity. The miners were on strike because the government had capped their pay in an effort to control soaring inflation, a repeat of which many warn is just around the corner as governments are forced to print trillions more money as part of quantitative easing programs.

Spending cuts as part of UK austerity measures are set to be more than double those imposed in 1977, at a level of 9 to 11 per cent. If people were rioting, leaving bodies unburied, and the country was being called “no longer developed” with just a 4 per cent spending cut, what are we to expect after a cut double or treble that amount? Not to mention the plethora of other draconian austerity measures that will accompany spending cuts.

British Prime Minister and Bilderberg attendee David Cameron has warned that the measures his government is preparing to impose will “Affect every single person in our country. And the effects of those decisions will stay with us for years, perhaps decades, to come.”

Austerity fascism is the realization of the global elite’s agenda for a “post-industrial revolution,” after which living standards in the west will be dramatically lowered, economic growth will be stagnant, and people will be more concerned about how they are going to feed their families rather than standing up to the very financial terrorists who engineered the economic collapse in the first place.

However, a hungry mob is an angry mob. If the situation is allowed to spiral out of control and the “post-industrial revolution” unfolds quicker and more unwieldy than anticipated, the global elite may find themselves with an entirely different kind of revolution on their hands – one led by the people against the corrupt plutocrats intent on exploiting the suffering they masterminded in the move towards an authoritarian one world government.[/spoiler]


we've got some seriously tough times ahead when you read comments like this:
“The bottom line here is that Americans don’t believe in President Obama’s leadership,” says Rob Shapiro, another former Clinton official and a supporter of Mr Obama. “He has to find some way between now and November of demonstrating that he is a leader who can command confidence and, short of a 9/11 event or an Oklahoma City bombing, I can’t think of how he could do that.”

the above comment is here: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/434315b2-8ea6 ... ab49a.html


but hey, as long as we have our "stars" and TV and useless chat the world will be fine...

well, i see that like this, you sit back and watch an arsonist dressed as a fireman break into your house and set fire to it and burn you and your family. but while your burning you justify what's happening in front of your eyes by saying "he's a fireman! he puts out fires so i'm safe".

Goldman Sachs recently got a slap on the wrist in the form of a 500 million dollar fine after they were found guilty of defrauding the US Govt of 5 billion dollars (5 billion that we know of)...who ever said crime doesn't pay should be the one slapped, but not with a fine, with a fist in the face!

Ben Bernanke and others were asked by senators at multiple hearings about the bailout and where the money went, and all of them replied bluntly "we wont tell you", and now they say they need a 2nd round of bail outs...what the **Filtered** wrong with that picture?!?!?!?! :mad:



this guy fears we are in a 3rd depression: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/28/opini ... .html?_r=2 top economists for 2 years have been saying we are in a depression, not just a depression, we are in an inflationary depression which will make the last 2 great depressions look like a mere dip in the economy by comparison....

and here in the UK we are worried about the fracking budget?! thinking a budget will fix this is like saying a plaster (plaster=band aid for our yank brethren) will fix that massive hole in your head...



anyone have any silly comments, or will this be a proper discussion?


edit: if anyone has problems reading the FT articles because they are not registered, let me know and i'll post them here in spoilers.

Re: US middle class is being wiped out: here's the article...

Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 2:36 am
by Legendary Apophis
What I get out of this is
-stating the obvious that it's hard to deal with speculators and punish them
-people in the USA voted Obama for "Change", in some European countries (France especially), any kind of "Change" leads to massive strikes. See the difference.. :-" => the authors of the article are biased, because using France as an example when it's about strikes either means you are pro strikes, or you use it as you want to denounce strikes. NEVER take as a reason that problems happen the fact that public sector does strikes or demonstrations in France!! (they are never happy)
-police will have to resort to force to "calm" the rioters. (hopefully the police always keep the upper hand, I don't wanna live in a Hobbes' "free" world :neutral: )
-Greece is in deep ****...and I add to it that Greek football clubs have less problems to buy players than top dogs who are short in funds (contradiction at its best isn't it?).
-more empty minds to be fed to the radical islamists theories. (the current system is screwed, those people are against the system, let's join them think the empty minds)
-USA are screwed.
-Fascism word is overused.

Re: US middle class is being wiped out: here's the article...

Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 3:35 am
by [KMA]Avenger
then you have taken all the wrong points of the articles Jim.

its not just Greece who are in deep pooh-pooh, its the whole world! the EU is going to collapse, and as much i hate whats the EU stands for and its very existence, when that collapses it will be a mess. just a few weeks ago, Germany had to impose some restrictions on the bankers because they nearly collapsed worse than Greece...but trying to tell people to stop foaming at the mouth waiting for their next "fix" of entertainment and to look at the real criminals in all of this is trying to fly without wings.

the whole world is **Filtered** mate, so leave the stupid things alone (like Muslims and what-not) and realise that you have an arsonist in your house trying to burn you and yours, while you blame Muslims and Islam for trivial things...read my intent before you criticise my use of words because criticising my use of the word "trivial" is trivial in itself when you consider an arsonist is intent on burning you. in short, there are bigger problems that must first be fixed before you "fix" the Muslim/Islamic problem.


so, why do you say the word Fascism is being "over-used"?

what do you call the bailouts, a helping hand? please give me the definition of state and corporate merger?

you NEED to read this [spoiler]The Economic Collapse
July 16, 2010

Thousands of police officers have been laid off all across America since the current economic crisis began. Thousands more are getting ready to be laid off. So could we be on the verge of a new era of chaos and anarchy in America as crime runs wild and there are just far too few police to respond to it all? That is the message that one blood-smeared billboard in Stockton, California is trying to get across. Paid for by the Stockton, California police union, the message of the billboard is chillingly clear: “Welcome to the 2nd most dangerous city in California. Stop laying off cops.” As state, city and local governments across the United States continue to be devastated by the ongoing economic crisis, budget cuts are becoming much deeper and police forces have suddenly become a very popular target.

Officer Steve Leonesio, the president of the Stockton Police Officers Association, has announced that the police union plans to spend approximately $20,000 on at least 20 more billboards.

Why is the union putting up all of these billboards?

Well, it turns out that Stockton has been considering a plan to lay off 53 police officers in an effort to eliminate a $23 million budget deficit.

But law enforcement in Stockton has already been cut to the bone. Recently, the Stockton Police Department dropped this bombshell….

“We absolutely do not have any narcotics officers, narcotics sergeants working any kind of investigative narcotics type cases at this point in time.”

Do you think drug dealers will be flocking to Stockton after they hear that?

But the truth is that so many of these local governments around the nation are just flat broke at this point.

Even major cities are having to admit that they have accumulated such large debts that they cannot even afford to provide the most basic services any longer.

In Oakland, California the battle over police layoffs has made national headlines over the past couple of weeks. Oakland has laid off 80 police officers, and now the police chief says that there are some crimes that his department simply will not be able to respond to.

In fact, Chief Anthony Batts has compiled a list of exactly 44 situations, including grand theft, burglary, car wrecks, identity theft and vandalism, that his officers will not be available to handle any longer.

What in the world?

Once upon a time in America you could get a police officer to come out for just about anything – including for getting a cat down out of a tree.

But those days are long gone.

Will Thousands Of Police Layoffs Unleash Chaos And Anarchy Across America? 140410banner4

Today it is very hard to get a police officer to come out for anything short of murder.

The following is a partial list of crimes that police officers in Oakland will no longer be responding to….

* burglary
* theft
* embezzlement
* grand theft
* grand theft: dog
* identity theft
* false information to peace officer
* required to register as sex or arson offender
* dump waste or offensive matter
* discard appliance with lock
* loud music
* possess forged notes
* pass fictitious check
* obtain money by false voucher
* fraudulent use of access cards
* stolen license plate
* embezzlement by an employee (over $ 400)
* extortion
* attempted extortion
* false personification of other
* injure telephone/power line
* interfere with power line
* unauthorized cable tv connection
* vandalism

Not that Oakland wasn’t already a mess, but now how long do you think it will be before total chaos and anarchy reigns on the streets of Oakland?

But Oakland is far from alone.

The sheriff’s department in Ashtabula County, Ohio has been slashed from 112 to 49 deputies, and there is now just one vehicle remaining to patrol all 720 square miles of the county.

So what are the citizens of that county supposed to do to protect themselves?

Well, when asked about what they should do, Judge Alfred Mackey gave this stunning piece of advice….

“Arm themselves.”

So is that what we are left with?

Is American society degenerating into a “Road Warrior-style” wasteland where we are all left to fend for ourselves?

It gets really frightening when you start considering just how many police are actually being laid off across the United States….

Acting State Police director Jonathon Monken has announced that the Illinois State Police will lay off more than 460 troopers and close five regional headquarters by this fall.

Atlantic City Mayor Lorenzo Langford has proposed a plan to lay off 40 police officers.

The police department in Vallejo, California will temporarily suspend its K-9 and SWAT programs at the end of the month in a move to delay officer layoffs.

Last year, 18 special police units in Toledo, Ohio - including the gang task force and the mounted patrol – were eliminated or downsized in an effort to replace the 130 patrol officers who were laid off because of a $20.7 million budget deficit.

Of 315 municipalities the New Jersey State Policemen’s union canvassed, more than half indicated that they were planning to lay off police officers.

Four police officers in one town in New Jersey were greeted at work this past Monday morning with notices informing them that they will be laid off on August 31st.

Police in Phoenix, Arizona have been told that more than 400 officers could be impacted by layoffs if “the worst case scenario” plays out.

Police and firefighters in Flint, Michigan decided that layoffs were preferable to taking a 15 percent pay and benefits cut.

The city of Maywood, California laid off all 68 of its employees July 1st and is now “contracting out” police services.

In Colorado Springs, dozens of police positions are going unfilled and the police helicopters were put up for sale on the Internet.

The sad thing is that as local police forces across America are being stripped down or dismantled, many communities are opening their arms wide to increased federal law enforcement “assistance”.

In recent years, we have seen a large number of examples where the U.S. military is being used for domestic law enforcement, which is supposed to be against the law. In addition, federal government agencies are increasingly taking over the financing, training and even command of local police.

But is this “federalization” of local law enforcement a good thing?

Of course not.

Unfortunately we live at a time when almost everything is being centralized under federal government control. Of course this is completely contrary to everything that our founders intended, but most of our “officials” don’t seem too concerned about actually following the Constitution these days.[/spoiler] and then realise that the trivialities you posted above are just that, trivialities, and don't take this the wrong way because i don't mean to demean you but, its time to grow up and time to wake the hell up and take those blinkers off. understand that this is happening globally, this is NOT an "America only" problem. all our taxes are going through the roof and public services are being cut back severely which will have MASSIVE repercussions for all of us French, German, Greek Brit, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Yank, Muslim, Buddhist, Hare Krishna, Jehovahs Witness's, Christian, Catholic, Protestant, Atheist, Straight people, queers, criminals, the family down the street...ALL of us.

Re: US middle class is being wiped out: here's the article...

Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 3:55 am
by Iƒrit
[KMA]Avenger wrote:so, why do you say the word Fascism is being "over-used"?

what do you call the bailouts, a helping hand? please give me the definition of state and corporate merger?

Corporatism, which is Obama's agenda far as I can see ;)

Re: US middle class is being wiped out: here's the article...

Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 4:02 am
by [KMA]Avenger
actually, Mussolini proved that corporations merging with the Govt is called Fascism...

well to be more to the point, the Russians said recently that the US is now more socialist than Russia ever was, which only goes to prove you have Corporatism, Fascism and Socialism alive and well in the US and most of the west.

Re: US middle class is being wiped out: here's the article...

Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 4:10 am
by Iƒrit
[KMA]Avenger wrote:actually, Mussolini proved that corporations merging with the Govt is called Fascism...

acually I think he said...
Benito Mussolini wrote:"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power."

Re: US middle class is being wiped out: here's the article...

Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 4:22 am
by [KMA]Avenger
Fascism, pronounced fæʃɪzə, is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology.Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy.

corporatism/Fascism is the same **Filtered** from where i stand in that neither 1 is good for you or me. the name is neither here nor there....

with that said, i'll concede the point because that (just like the "Muslim/Islam" situation that Jim likes to always bring up) is not what's important here.

Re: US middle class is being wiped out: here's the article...

Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 5:15 am
by Legendary Apophis
[KMA]Avenger wrote:then you have taken all the wrong points of the articles Jim.

its not just Greece who are in deep pooh-pooh, its the whole world! the EU is going to collapse, and as much i hate whats the EU stands for and its very existence, when that collapses it will be a mess. just a few weeks ago, Germany had to impose some restrictions on the bankers because they nearly collapsed worse than Greece...but trying to tell people to stop foaming at the mouth waiting for their next "fix" of entertainment and to look at the real criminals in all of this is trying to fly without wings.

the whole world is **Filtered** mate, so leave the stupid things alone (like Muslims and what-not) and realise that you have an arsonist in your house trying to burn you and yours, while you blame Muslims and Islam for trivial things...read my intent before you criticise my use of words because criticising my use of the word "trivial" is trivial in itself when you consider an arsonist is intent on burning you. in short, there are bigger problems that must first be fixed before you "fix" the Muslim/Islamic problem.


so, why do you say the word Fascism is being "over-used"?

what do you call the bailouts, a helping hand? please give me the definition of state and corporate merger?

you NEED to read this [spoiler]The Economic Collapse
July 16, 2010

Thousands of police officers have been laid off all across America since the current economic crisis began. Thousands more are getting ready to be laid off. So could we be on the verge of a new era of chaos and anarchy in America as crime runs wild and there are just far too few police to respond to it all? That is the message that one blood-smeared billboard in Stockton, California is trying to get across. Paid for by the Stockton, California police union, the message of the billboard is chillingly clear: “Welcome to the 2nd most dangerous city in California. Stop laying off cops.” As state, city and local governments across the United States continue to be devastated by the ongoing economic crisis, budget cuts are becoming much deeper and police forces have suddenly become a very popular target.

Officer Steve Leonesio, the president of the Stockton Police Officers Association, has announced that the police union plans to spend approximately $20,000 on at least 20 more billboards.

Why is the union putting up all of these billboards?

Well, it turns out that Stockton has been considering a plan to lay off 53 police officers in an effort to eliminate a $23 million budget deficit.

But law enforcement in Stockton has already been cut to the bone. Recently, the Stockton Police Department dropped this bombshell….

“We absolutely do not have any narcotics officers, narcotics sergeants working any kind of investigative narcotics type cases at this point in time.”

Do you think drug dealers will be flocking to Stockton after they hear that?

But the truth is that so many of these local governments around the nation are just flat broke at this point.

Even major cities are having to admit that they have accumulated such large debts that they cannot even afford to provide the most basic services any longer.

In Oakland, California the battle over police layoffs has made national headlines over the past couple of weeks. Oakland has laid off 80 police officers, and now the police chief says that there are some crimes that his department simply will not be able to respond to.

In fact, Chief Anthony Batts has compiled a list of exactly 44 situations, including grand theft, burglary, car wrecks, identity theft and vandalism, that his officers will not be available to handle any longer.

What in the world?

Once upon a time in America you could get a police officer to come out for just about anything – including for getting a cat down out of a tree.

But those days are long gone.

Will Thousands Of Police Layoffs Unleash Chaos And Anarchy Across America? 140410banner4

Today it is very hard to get a police officer to come out for anything short of murder.

The following is a partial list of crimes that police officers in Oakland will no longer be responding to….

* burglary
* theft
* embezzlement
* grand theft
* grand theft: dog
* identity theft
* false information to peace officer
* required to register as sex or arson offender
* dump waste or offensive matter
* discard appliance with lock
* loud music
* possess forged notes
* pass fictitious check
* obtain money by false voucher
* fraudulent use of access cards
* stolen license plate
* embezzlement by an employee (over $ 400)
* extortion
* attempted extortion
* false personification of other
* injure telephone/power line
* interfere with power line
* unauthorized cable tv connection
* vandalism

Not that Oakland wasn’t already a mess, but now how long do you think it will be before total chaos and anarchy reigns on the streets of Oakland?

But Oakland is far from alone.

The sheriff’s department in Ashtabula County, Ohio has been slashed from 112 to 49 deputies, and there is now just one vehicle remaining to patrol all 720 square miles of the county.

So what are the citizens of that county supposed to do to protect themselves?

Well, when asked about what they should do, Judge Alfred Mackey gave this stunning piece of advice….

“Arm themselves.”

So is that what we are left with?

Is American society degenerating into a “Road Warrior-style” wasteland where we are all left to fend for ourselves?

It gets really frightening when you start considering just how many police are actually being laid off across the United States….

Acting State Police director Jonathon Monken has announced that the Illinois State Police will lay off more than 460 troopers and close five regional headquarters by this fall.

Atlantic City Mayor Lorenzo Langford has proposed a plan to lay off 40 police officers.

The police department in Vallejo, California will temporarily suspend its K-9 and SWAT programs at the end of the month in a move to delay officer layoffs.

Last year, 18 special police units in Toledo, Ohio - including the gang task force and the mounted patrol – were eliminated or downsized in an effort to replace the 130 patrol officers who were laid off because of a $20.7 million budget deficit.

Of 315 municipalities the New Jersey State Policemen’s union canvassed, more than half indicated that they were planning to lay off police officers.

Four police officers in one town in New Jersey were greeted at work this past Monday morning with notices informing them that they will be laid off on August 31st.

Police in Phoenix, Arizona have been told that more than 400 officers could be impacted by layoffs if “the worst case scenario” plays out.

Police and firefighters in Flint, Michigan decided that layoffs were preferable to taking a 15 percent pay and benefits cut.

The city of Maywood, California laid off all 68 of its employees July 1st and is now “contracting out” police services.

In Colorado Springs, dozens of police positions are going unfilled and the police helicopters were put up for sale on the Internet.

The sad thing is that as local police forces across America are being stripped down or dismantled, many communities are opening their arms wide to increased federal law enforcement “assistance”.

In recent years, we have seen a large number of examples where the U.S. military is being used for domestic law enforcement, which is supposed to be against the law. In addition, federal government agencies are increasingly taking over the financing, training and even command of local police.

But is this “federalization” of local law enforcement a good thing?

Of course not.

Unfortunately we live at a time when almost everything is being centralized under federal government control. Of course this is completely contrary to everything that our founders intended, but most of our “officials” don’t seem too concerned about actually following the Constitution these days.[/spoiler] and then realise that the trivialities you posted above are just that, trivialities, and don't take this the wrong way because i don't mean to demean you but, its time to grow up and time to wake the hell up and take those blinkers off. understand that this is happening globally, this is NOT an "America only" problem. all our taxes are going through the roof and public services are being cut back severely which will have MASSIVE repercussions for all of us French, German, Greek Brit, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Yank, Muslim, Buddhist, Hare Krishna, Jehovahs Witness's, Christian, Catholic, Protestant, Atheist, Straight people, queers, criminals, the family down the street...ALL of us.

No I've not taken the wrong points at all. Don't you think it's rather strange that Greece has a bailout issue, that the top dogs such as FC Barça, Man United etc...will barely recruit anyone this summer while Greek major clubs recruit like if it was a "golden era"? It's something interesting to point out, on the one hand the Greece is falling, and on the other, you have the greek main clubs that have more easiness to recruit than the super rich european clubs? It might not be a world issue, but such issues are interesting to point out, you who like to point out the nonsense and contradictions in economic systems.

You underestimate probably more what I'm talking about than me about what you are talking about. I am aware of what you are talking about, and I urge you to remember the past similarity I highlighted with my comment about "empty minded people". 1933, Germany suffers from ultra inflation, the unemployment is at critical level, people don't trust the system anymore...and there comes a man with a small mustache who tells he will solve all the problems, that the system is corrupted (the jews are responsible of all problems in the world he said, just like the people I refer to regularly say nowadays, and there's people who are there ready to believe that, the "empty minded" ones). Because you talk about the problems and the outcomes of this austerity program. Don't forget about the political benefiters from this. ;) You yourself talk about riots and threat of revolution, and on the other hand you say what I'm talking about isn't the main concern. There is your mistake! There's not anymore only the far left and far right who gain popularity in such troubled eras, you also have to count with the radical islamists, at least in Europe (I never said Europe isn't screwed, I said USA are).

In the USA it's well known that autodefense groups are compensating the lack of police presence in some places, so I guess those groups despite being rather controversial could cover a part of what federal police gave up caring about. And there's always martial law if needed.. :twisted:

Re: US middle class is being wiped out: here's the article...

Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 5:54 am
by [KMA]Avenger
martial law?! its not a joke mate!

as for Greek footy clubs buying players...how is that any different to any other club with huge debts but still manages to find the cash to buy players they cant afford?
take Barca for example, they have what, 400 mill euro worth of debt (more than any Greek club has) and they are chasing one of my clubs top players (i dont have to name the player do i?). if it wasn't for |Wenger telling Barca to **Filtered** off they would have slapped another 50 maybe 60 mill worth of debt on their backs when Spain has just as much debt and bad times ahead of them as Greece and the rest of us do...


but thats all besides the point because i don't care what football clubs do, i care about my future and the future of my sons and the rest of us.

i dont underestimate anything mate...but pointing fingers at Muslims (just as Hitler pointed fingers at not only Jews but commies and the rest of society he didn't like...which btw, he got those policies from the British...thats declassified fact.) is a side issue, the bankers who stole 60+trillion $ worth of tax payer cash world wide is whats important here because its me and you who has to foot that bill...

now tell me something, is a Muslim more important than the global economy collapsing so deep that you wont have cash to feed yourself?

Re: US middle class is being wiped out: here's the article...

Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 6:01 am
by Legendary Apophis
Let's not confuse a Muslim and who I'm talking about. Not all muslims are radicals who want to force sharia laws into our nations. Hitler blamed it all on the Jews, just like those radicals do nowadays.

You're right about Barça, but it's still a bit different, because Barça has more liberty due to their high level football and the usual championship level they reach. But you're right, it's funny how those clubs are digging their grave slowly but surely. I tell you it might not be that bad afterall, maybe we will go back to the old ways where it's not a handful clubs who gather all the stars?

Re: US middle class is being wiped out: here's the article...

Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 6:10 am
by [KMA]Avenger
make a new thread if you want to discuss the rights and wrongs of modern day football...i'll be happy to take part :-)


but this is serious mate...i edited my last post but you had posted while i was editing, so i have cut and pasted it here instead:


understand a few things here, 1, we are all in an inflationary depression. 2, the UN has asked the dollar be removed as the worlds reserve currency....do you understand what will happen is the US dollar is removed as the worlds reserve currency? 3, China has downgraded all of the wests cash (including the Euro and the pound) from AAA rating status to double A. 4, China is dumping dollars and buying real resources. 5, the wests industrial base has been closed down and shipped to country's like China, India, Russia, Brazil, Korea and so on. 6, the west is now mainly a service based economy, we produce very little any more. 7, the police have been militarised, who do you think that's for, some Muslim or you to be rounded up when you open your mouth because you want the TV and the petrol pumps turned back on? (number 7 is a general statement and not directed solely at you).

Re: US middle class is being wiped out: here's the article...

Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 6:12 am
by Kit-Fox
The middle classes wont be got rid of KMA, as without them society would fail. An object lesson is clearly needed to illustrate that point just so it isnt missed.

Take the Army for example, without the Serjeants between the rank&file nothing would get done as each group would spend too long trying to fight each other. Same for society, without a buffer that allows for movement between each group and is somewhat accepted by each group society would fall apart.

Hence the middle classes as you put it will exist for many years to come, although their size & influence will change both up & down over the years. That doesnt mean however that they are gone or are getting wiped out

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Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 7:33 am
by [KMA]Avenger
i understand your point and correlation of the sergeant and the middle class...however, you forget we are all in the same boat. make no mistake, this sint some doom and gloom forecast by an over zealous "conspiracy theorist" waving his hands in a "look at me, i know something you don't" frenzy. the whole fracking rotten structure is coming down and we the people are in the way...i'll go one step further and say without doubt that, if it wasn't for the US and its constitution, this would have all happened a LONG time ago already.

life is not going to carry on as it is much longer. there';s 1 top economist and trends forecaster who is predicting it will come crashing down in December this year. call the man nuts, call him what you will but this man has predicted world events for a long time with far more success than a weather forecaster.

i've also been listening and reading what the father of reagonomics (Dr. Paul Craig Roberts) has been saying and he's just as blunt, its going to crash.

Re: US middle class is being wiped out: here's the article...

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 3:57 am
by Mister Sandman

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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:55 am
by Brdavs
I find it hard to have my heart blead for the american middle class that`s been living well above their and the worlds collective means for decades now.

And now its fascism, communism and a natural disaster as the party time of the american dream is winding down. Things also known as common sense, fiscal responsibility and spending about what you actually make in the rest of the world.

That mile a gallon SUV your higschool kid is driving is getting pricy? Real tough tittie american consumer. Real tough.