Renegadez Ban by ~Empy

[Zeratul]

lastly his warning was unwarranted because no one in TL had spammed up the place.

Hence the word "preemptive" in the warning... Noone had spammed yet and he wanted to keep it that way...

The exact level of punishment for minor events of spam like that is being discussed, so please have a bit of patience... The mod team will come back to that issue once the discussion is finished, and inform you of any/all changes in policy...

[BenjaminMS]

lastly his warning was unwarranted because no one in TL had spammed up the place.

Hence the word "preemptive" in the warning... Noone had spammed yet and he wanted to keep it that way...

The exact level of punishment for minor events of spam like that is being discussed, so please have a bit of patience... The mod team will come back to that issue once the discussion is finished, and inform you of any/all changes in policy...

Zera, that pre-emptive warning was BS and you know it. The posts that happened before from TL-members in that topic showed no hint of hostility towards Fericide, and that certain topics in other parts of the forums derailed (btw, in said topics Empy was as much as guilty to it as were TL and Mh/Chaos), doesn't mean he needs to go nasty with warnings.

Edit: re-read it all and it is stupid Empy does it, AGAIN. I thought for spamming you needed to judge the WHOLE of the post, not only just pick out the part that you don't like?

[Rocky]

to the first part of your post, id like to redirect you to thamuz's post, but in all its not so important

But thanks for looking into it Zera, talk amongst yourselves in the mod forums
I know that mod decisions are a lot of the time difficult to solve as there will always be people with differing opinions, i certainly have mine

[BenjaminMS]

I believe

http://talk.gatewa.rs/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=173932&p=2192127#p2192127
viewtopic.php?f=68&t=173634&p=2192130#p2192130
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=173930&p=2191972#p2191972

I see at least 3 verbals given by Empy to knock it off throughout the forums, I know there are at least 1-3 more in a 2 day stretch.

And posting something from viewtopic.php?f=219&t=139434, well, it's already dug.




PS
I won't comment on me kissing you Jack, that's for tonight.

works here as well. Kthx.

Total BS, once more Earendil. This is so totally old Earendil, that I am not even going to explain to one to you anymore. Or wait... I will.... since someone needs to explain it to you it seems...
The first two links, refer to an certain bug-thread. That was because both sides were a bit fighting there.
The third one is of the GC-topic if I recall correctly, which doesn't fit on that topic the warning is about.

So unless you, Deni, Knight and Empy are trying to make the forums an playing field for Mayhem with home-advantage (which I am starting to believe), I'd rather see that you look better, closer and more from case to case, unless you want a complaint against you about bias.

[Empy]

If you thought the first half of my post was spam then report it and a Global Mod or Market Mod will look at it. It in no way makes your case that Rene's post was not spam, so it is pointless being in this topic and is ironically spam itself.

The preemptive warning was not BS, why would think it was? TL saw fit to derail topics in the "Bugs" and "Released Updates" sub-sections so one would infer that they would see fit to do the same with a topic in "Black Listed Traders" that accused a member of MaYHeM (who they are at war with) of scamming. I'd already given several verbal warnings in topics in the GC and Bugs so I wasn't going to waste my time doing it there and made it clear I would not tolerate any replies that were spam. An example of such I expected was "lol, now mH have to scam to get their naq instead of with $$$ " among others, I think you get the point.

I'm quite sick of these topics being created and people saying "oh ya look at this post!" or "what about this completely unrelated thing?" If you think my posts were spam then report them and someone that isn't me will look at it and decide. Accusing me of spamming topics and apparently masterminding a plot to bait you all in to spamming so I could warn you because I hate you that much (because I have some unseen reason to?) is insanity.

If you think that every single even slightly off-topic post is always removed and given a board warning for then you're very mistaken. I can only say how I choose to Moderate I can't speak for others but I often leave anywhere from 2 to 4 off topic (slight to a little moderately off topic) posts in the topic. If you can't chat with your friends and have fun why come to the forums? Obviously there are times this is not appropriate and times it is but you will be told by a Mod if it's not appropriate before you're given a Board Warning.

As for thinking TL is being targeted for warnings more so than MaYHeM you're incorrect there as well. As previously stated by Deni, you don't know who was warned and where so don't think it's just TL and you're getting tons of warnings. Everyone does not break rules equally as well... as Jack said did you think that maybe MaYHeM simply adhere more to the rules while TL does not? They have more self-restraint than yourselves?

I don't know which of your arguments I have not addressed, I believe I covered most of your concerns. I'm just doing my job, I have nothing against TL whatsoever. If an Admin broke a rule I'd warn them. If a GM broke a rule I'd warn them. If a Section Mod broke a rule I'd warn them. If my best friend broke a rule I'd warn them. If someone I didn't know broke a rule I'd warn them. If someone I didn't like broke a rule I'd warn them. If someone I didn't like didn't break a rule... I wouldn't warn them.

If you have a problem with me because I am giving you warnings, the problem can be resolved by you no longer breaking the rules.

[Zeratul]

These arguments seem familiar...

So unless you, Deni, Knight and Empy are trying to make the forums an playing field for Mayhem with home-advantage (which I am starting to believe), I'd rather see that you look better, closer and more from case to case, unless you want a complaint against you about bias.

So unless you, Deni, Knight and Empy {you biased mods} are trying to make the forums an playing field for Mayhem {Fuall} with home-advantage (which I am starting to believe), I'd rather see that you look better, closer and more from case to case, unless you want a complaint against you about bias.

[Rocky]

grr back to the topic at hand???

Rene was warned for spamming correct?
all i was saying is that others have spammed as well, what makes them exempt from getting a warning?

Rocky

[Empy]

grr back to the topic at hand???

Rene was warned for spamming correct?
all i was saying is that others have spammed as well, what makes them exempt from getting a warning?

Rocky

The fact that no Mod read the post or paid attention to it in a capacity to decide if it warrants a warning or not? Report function, use it pl0x. Don't assume we're (the Mods) omnipotent and have read and made a decision about every post and if it's not been removed and warned that such was decided.

[~Thamuz~]

[spoiler]

If you thought the first half of my post was spam then report it and a Global Mod or Market Mod will look at it. It in no way makes your case that Rene's post was not spam, so it is pointless being in this topic and is ironically spam itself.

The preemptive warning was not BS, why would think it was? TL saw fit to derail topics in the "Bugs" and "Released Updates" sub-sections so one would infer that they would see fit to do the same with a topic in "Black Listed Traders" that accused a member of MaYHeM (who they are at war with) of scamming. I'd already given several verbal warnings in topics in the GC and Bugs so I wasn't going to waste my time doing it there and made it clear I would not tolerate any replies that were spam. An example of such I expected was "lol, now mH have to scam to get their naq instead of with $$$ " among others, I think you get the point.

I'm quite sick of these topics being created and people saying "oh ya look at this post!" or "what about this completely unrelated thing?" If you think my posts were spam then report them and someone that isn't me will look at it and decide. Accusing me of spamming topics and apparently masterminding a plot to bait you all in to spamming so I could warn you because I hate you that much (because I have some unseen reason to?) is insanity.

If you think that every single even slightly off-topic post is always removed and given a board warning for then you're very mistaken. I can only say how I choose to Moderate I can't speak for others but I often leave anywhere from 2 to 4 off topic (slight to a little moderately off topic) posts in the topic. If you can't chat with your friends and have fun why come to the forums? Obviously there are times this is not appropriate and times it is but you will be told by a Mod if it's not appropriate before you're given a Board Warning.

As for thinking TL is being targeted for warnings more so than MaYHeM you're incorrect there as well. As previously stated by Deni, you don't know who was warned and where so don't think it's just TL and you're getting tons of warnings. Everyone does not break rules equally as well... as Jack said did you think that maybe MaYHeM simply adhere more to the rules while TL does not? They have more self-restraint than yourselves?

I don't know which of your arguments I have not addressed, I believe I covered most of your concerns. I'm just doing my job, I have nothing against TL whatsoever. If an Admin broke a rule I'd warn them. If a GM broke a rule I'd warn them. If a Section Mod broke a rule I'd warn them. If my best friend broke a rule I'd warn them. If someone I didn't know broke a rule I'd warn them. If someone I didn't like broke a rule I'd warn them. If someone I didn't like didn't break a rule... I wouldn't warn them.

If you have a problem with me because I am giving you warnings, the problem can be resolved by you no longer breaking the rules.

[/spoiler]
But thats the point Empy, we don't have a problem with you hence why we are not reporting your posts, are our posts being reported? Or are you just dishing out warnings without our posts being reported, either way if our posta are being reported and yours aren't would mean that we are being targeted would it not, and if there not being reported then your just targeting us but still doing the exact thing your giving warnings to others for. ~T~

[Rocky]

done, lets see what happens now

[Empy]

[spoiler]

If you thought the first half of my post was spam then report it and a Global Mod or Market Mod will look at it. It in no way makes your case that Rene's post was not spam, so it is pointless being in this topic and is ironically spam itself.

The preemptive warning was not BS, why would think it was? TL saw fit to derail topics in the "Bugs" and "Released Updates" sub-sections so one would infer that they would see fit to do the same with a topic in "Black Listed Traders" that accused a member of MaYHeM (who they are at war with) of scamming. I'd already given several verbal warnings in topics in the GC and Bugs so I wasn't going to waste my time doing it there and made it clear I would not tolerate any replies that were spam. An example of such I expected was "lol, now mH have to scam to get their naq instead of with $$$ " among others, I think you get the point.

I'm quite sick of these topics being created and people saying "oh ya look at this post!" or "what about this completely unrelated thing?" If you think my posts were spam then report them and someone that isn't me will look at it and decide. Accusing me of spamming topics and apparently masterminding a plot to bait you all in to spamming so I could warn you because I hate you that much (because I have some unseen reason to?) is insanity.

If you think that every single even slightly off-topic post is always removed and given a board warning for then you're very mistaken. I can only say how I choose to Moderate I can't speak for others but I often leave anywhere from 2 to 4 off topic (slight to a little moderately off topic) posts in the topic. If you can't chat with your friends and have fun why come to the forums? Obviously there are times this is not appropriate and times it is but you will be told by a Mod if it's not appropriate before you're given a Board Warning.

As for thinking TL is being targeted for warnings more so than MaYHeM you're incorrect there as well. As previously stated by Deni, you don't know who was warned and where so don't think it's just TL and you're getting tons of warnings. Everyone does not break rules equally as well... as Jack said did you think that maybe MaYHeM simply adhere more to the rules while TL does not? They have more self-restraint than yourselves?

I don't know which of your arguments I have not addressed, I believe I covered most of your concerns. I'm just doing my job, I have nothing against TL whatsoever. If an Admin broke a rule I'd warn them. If a GM broke a rule I'd warn them. If a Section Mod broke a rule I'd warn them. If my best friend broke a rule I'd warn them. If someone I didn't know broke a rule I'd warn them. If someone I didn't like broke a rule I'd warn them. If someone I didn't like didn't break a rule... I wouldn't warn them.

If you have a problem with me because I am giving you warnings, the problem can be resolved by you no longer breaking the rules.

[/spoiler]
But thats the point Empy, we don't have a problem with you hence why we are not reporting your posts, are our posts being reported? Or are you just dishing out warnings without our posts being reported, either way if our posta are being reported and yours aren't would mean that we are being targeted would it not, and if there not being reported then your just targeting us but still doing the exact thing your giving warnings to others for. ~T~

I'm sure some are, but I'm also sure that not all have been. Targeting would imply I make a point to read every post from people in TL and warn them even when barely breaking the rules if at all. If I happen to see something and it's breaking the rules I'll take action, I read all reports made (unless another Mod deals with it before me). I happen to read most posts made by TL and mH recently because I'm interested in the war. Again, TL are not the only ones being warned, MaYHeM are too, but they don't break the rules as often (based on warnings given).

[Jack]

Current complaint: Empy shouldn't have issued a pre-emptive warning yo

Answer: 1 wrong + 1 wrong = 2 wrongs, but more importantly, 0 rights. o7

[Wepwaet]

Maybe everything not DIRECTLY related to rene's warning should be split off and put in the "Forum & Mod feedback" or "Talk to mods direct" sections? Really just because someone down the street shoots someone doesn't mean that the person on trial was justified when they shot someone...

Im surprised no warnings have happened yet considering this topic is completely derailed by mods and members alike

[Field Marshall]

Current complaint: Empy shouldn't have issued a pre-emptive warning yo

Answer: 1 wrong + 1 wrong = 2 wrongs, but more importantly, 0 rights. o7

So, everybody is wrong? Why is the ban necessary?

[Mordack]

I agree with the fundamental point which has been reissued repeatedly in this thread; questioning mod decisions in a thread has always been considered spam. Many of you have gone off on considerable tangents, but I believe the core of the issue boils down to that staple fact.

Given that both ombudsman are in agreement, and that this thread has turned into a trainwreck, I'll be closing it within the next twenty-four hours. If you can't contain your urge to add a 'final thought', then I'd recommend posting it during said time.