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Having been descended by certain infamous ascended players due to lack of caring, I decided I no longer wanted to get descended by this alliance and am trying to prevent it.

Now, I was always under the impression that when you want to do an ascended attack (descension attempt) , that you would need to have a higher attack power then the defenders defence power.

Has this changed and does this no longer apply ?

Meaning, can you now hit a person with a defence higher then your strike power ?

or simply just ascended attack random people every 3 hours to prevent such an attack on you

GOLDEN WING wrote:or simply just ascended attack random people every 3 hours to prevent such an attack on you

No no no ... I'm online a lot ... so thats not an issue ... not gonna waste 100 turns on futile attempts

My point is ... has it changed ?

updates.php wrote:Oct 24, 2007 ongoing - fine tuning
* Ascended Battles require you to have 10x the enemy defence, in offence. This allows you to neutralize their army completely, while you (the ascended being) can then enter the realm undisturbed. You will ONLY engage in an ascended battle with your enemy - the armies do not get involved.
In short - you need 10x the enemy defence to engage in an ascended battle, but armies do not come into play - it is pure one on one.

Never officially rescinded. (Not in updates.php, not on the forums.)

Your defence should be sufficient to keep most people away.. *grin*
But give us an example of what might be bug abuse here; did people hit you with such a difference? That would be very strange.

i thin it has but i never thought of ascended that way really...

basically any attempt at ascended attack your gonna do damage lol no matter what your TOC is and what there defense is...

and to try descend someone you need to do more Damage then they make back every 2.5-3hours...


just remember defense power works on % so the higher your attack power less likely its going to put much of a dent than it would have already done

hope i read your question right XD

Hmm, ok, thats odd, I'm getting ascended direct hits where it seems my defence is greater then the power of the attacker ??????


ascendedAttack 689,331,132 Life Force Lost 99 0 0 x,219,235,452,585,100 x,013,830,751 details

ascendedAttack 802,343,542 Life Force Lost 99 0 0 x,236,380,585,713,920 x,671,878,334 details

He is referring to the PHYSICAL strike and defence. The one referred to in this post:

Juliette wrote:

updates.php wrote:Oct 24, 2007 ongoing - fine tuning
* Ascended Battles require you to have 10x the enemy defence, in offence. This allows you to neutralize their army completely, while you (the ascended being) can then enter the realm undisturbed. You will ONLY engage in an ascended battle with your enemy - the armies do not get involved.
In short - you need 10x the enemy defence to engage in an ascended battle, but armies do not come into play - it is pure one on one.

You should think of ascended as attacks as a conflict between two ascended beings. Before these two can meet, the army of the defender needs to be completely neutralised (not zeroed/massed, but it needs to be that much smaller as to be inconsequential). That is how it has always been since 2007, and that is how it should still be. If that has changed officially, someone should find Jason and get a quote or even a post on that. If that has not changed, bug abusers should be taken to admin's court.

GOLDEN WING wrote:i thin it has but i never thought of ascended that way really.

basically any attempt at ascended attack your gonna do damage lol no matter what your TOC is and what there defense is...

and to try descend someone you need to do more Damage then they make back every 2.5-3hours...


just remember defense power works on % so the higher your attack power less likely its going to put much of a dent than it would have already done

hope i read your question right XD

Are you sure you are reading your logs right? The 4B seems to be the TOC, while the 1Q seems to be your physical defence.. their own attacks are probably a LOT higher than 4B..

NanoBite wrote:Hmm, ok, thats odd, I'm getting ascended direct hits where it seems my defence is greater then the power of the attacker ??????


ascendedAttack 689,331,132 Life Force Lost 99 0 0 x,219,235,452,585,100 x,013,830,751 details

ascendedAttack 802,343,542 Life Force Lost 99 0 0 x,236,380,585,713,920 x,671,878,334 details

yeah Juli is 100% right there.

Juliette wrote:Are you sure you are reading your logs right? The 4B seems to be the TOC, while the 1Q seems to be your physical defence.. their own attacks are probably a LOT higher than 4B..

NanoBite wrote:Hmm, ok, thats odd, I'm getting ascended direct hits where it seems my defence is greater then the power of the attacker ??????


ascendedAttack 689,331,132 Life Force Lost 99 0 0 x,219,235,452,585,100 x,013,830,751 details

ascendedAttack 802,343,542 Life Force Lost 99 0 0 x,236,380,585,713,920 x,671,878,334 details

Dunno, never noticed that.
But both attackers in question are ranked 3k and near 4k.


So, I'll rephrase my question, is the second value in the logs posted above (x,671,878,334 & x,013,830,751 ) the attackers total offensive capacity or their offensive military power ??

NanoBite wrote:

Juliette wrote:Are you sure you are reading your logs right? The 4B seems to be the TOC, while the 1Q seems to be your physical defence.. their own attacks are probably a LOT higher than 4B..

NanoBite wrote:Hmm, ok, thats odd, I'm getting ascended direct hits where it seems my defence is greater then the power of the attacker ??????


ascendedAttack 689,331,132 Life Force Lost 99 0 0 x,219,235,452,585,100 x,013,830,751 details

ascendedAttack 802,343,542 Life Force Lost 99 0 0 x,236,380,585,713,920 x,671,878,334 details

Dunno, never noticed that.
But both attackers in question are ranked 3k and near 4k.

So, I'll rephrase my question, is the second value in the logs posted above (x,671,878,334 & x,013,830,751 ) the attackers total offensive capacity or their offensive military power ??

Good question. Maybe they are silly snipers? After all.. sitting at rank 3k, descending people .. pfft.

I don't know. Maybe you could test it? Hit me.

Just tried it on a random

got following message:

In order to enter the enemy realm without hinderance of their worldly armies (ascended beings dislike having to confront physical forces...it is below them) your army must be 20 times their strength, in order to clear a path and prevent interference on you directly, while you engage in an ascended battle! You vow to enhance your army to this level, in order to engage in a direct ascended attack, but for now return to your own realm...

I thought it had been raised to 20 on the first doubling of ToC update

Thanks femme, I wasnt in the uppertunity to try as I was already in a battle.

Juliette wrote: Good question. Maybe they are silly snipers? After all.. sitting at rank 3k, descending people .. pfft.

I don't know. Maybe you could test it? Hit me.

Silly snipers .... the nerve of some people

rofl

Anywaysz, it simply made me wonder as I expected different values in the logs.

If Juliette is right about it indicating the total offensive capacity, then I'm mistaken, sounds most plausible too in this case.

But if I'm not, its not suposed to be like that ....


Thanks Juliette and Golden for the awnsers, now if someone could give a definitive awnser to the question at hand, this will all be settled and could be closed.

Yes femme is right, its 20x now has been for awhile .
So in order for someone to do an ascended attack they need a 20x higher physical strike than your physical defence. Nothing to do with ascension beings but yeah.

stuff of legends wrote:Yes femme is right, its 20x now has been for awhile .
So in order for someone to do an ascended attack they need a 20x higher physical strike than your physical defence. Nothing to do with ascension beings but yeah.

Kewl, thanks.
I was also pointed out to compare the values from the overview:


ascendedAttack 689,331,132 Life Force Lost 99 0 0 x,219,235,452,585,100 x,013,830,751 details
ascendedAttack 802,343,542 Life Force Lost 99 0 0 x,236,380,585,713,920 x,671,878,334 details


To the values in the attack report, and the values coincide with the attackers max toc.

Thanks again, can be closed now

figures, should have tried that myself xD