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So I'm sure many people have a lot to say on this issue. With the recent changes regarding mercs, three crucial changes were made without discussion with the community.

In my opinion, if Jason is going to listen to SOME people then he should listen to ALL people.

Thoughts on the matter?

Please do not use this thread to discuss particular updates except to give examples. This is about update policy not about specific updates.

Much love
Jim

Seeing as a far greater part of the cumminty participates on the forum rather then IRC, I would say thats obvious.

A committe perhaps, to handle the suggestion and filtering out the spam and needles comment, which then places it in a hidden section for the committe and admin to see would seem most logical.

An occasional poll could determine what to add and what not before finalized and stored in the hidden section.


I'm guessing admin got tired of reading the tons of needles info.

The way I see it; AdminJason takes time out of his life to attend admin meets on IRC. If you have an idea and are not willing to (or have someone else) attend the admin meets to present it, then you are either not very confident in your idea or you don't really care for your idea. It also allows him to immediately give you his views on the matter.

However, I do agree that any major updates should be given approx. atleast two weeks notice for the community to discuss and debate.

Some advance notice is good; that way people can 'mobilise' to IRC if they care enough.
Admin has chosen a venue of conversation, and chose IRC a long time ago. If you still haven't adapted by now, I wonder when you'll pull your head out of the sand.

Do not come with nonsense remarks, "OMG BUT I HATEZZ teh IRC"; if you want to talk to admin, do so on IRC. Don't hang around here complaining if you're not willing to make it to IRC. And seriously. Those few who aren't able (due to work) to get to IRC, get likeminded people to go in your stead.



The update policy is not something for us to decide on, and aside from voicing our opinions (likely inciting more rioting due to shortsightedness) talking about it serves no purpose. The only place where a discussion on the Update Policy would be prudent is -oh irony?- on IRC.. with admin. At the meeting. So, all of you who are concerned, either delegate, or make the meet.

How about a pole what the majority of the community likes ?

Cabal: Making time from of his personal life ? sorry he runs a buisness.

Julliette: Yeah IRC been working great huh

NanoBite wrote:How about a pole what the majority of the community likes ?

The playerbase is not adequately represented on the forums. The issue of misrepresentation -which this complaint ultimately comes to- remains, and will in fact show a worse side when incompetent, self-centered people are allowed a say in how things are run. (Just look outside, same thing happening in politics.. idiocy prevails.) On these forums, in this game, admin's word is law. Want to talk to admin? Go to IRC, send an e-mail, make a thread and ask people to point admin to it from IRC.

NanoBite wrote:Cabal: Making time from of his personal life ? sorry he runs a buisness.

.. and he has clearly defined the channels of communication do not primarily include the forums. He runs a business. You want to talk to the boss? Go to IRC, send an e-mail, make a thread and ask people to point admin to it from IRC.

NanoBite wrote:Julliette: Yeah IRC been working great huh

Has it not been working great? The guides to IRC are simple, there are no less than two options ingame to go to IRC, and the programs facilitating IRC communication are free. It's pretty simple. Admin decided IRC would be the place to chat. Want to talk to management? Follow procedures. Go to IRC, send an e-mail, make a thread and ask people to point admin to it from IRC.

We've tried a liaison between admin and the players before, and he was mauled. So, if you care about how things are done, go to IRC. Send an e-mail. Make a thread and ask people to point admin to it from IRC. It is not complicated. It is not difficult. It is clearly defined, and it has worked well enough until people decided attending meets was for wusses, and whining on the forums was all the rage. Made a comeback, that time?


Jump high, jump low, but you don't get to talk to the chief if you keep shouting from the training grounds outside the city.

SS, admin is not an idiot, if he would approach it that way and only listend to what he liked, the game wouldnt be here anymore a long time ago. Imagine if he would turn a deaf ear to any request made for an update. On IRC or forums. The game would be dead.
The game is a buisness, and I'm sure Admin will have a professional approach about it.



Asked by a certain someone to post my pm comment here:

Lately a lot more good ideas have been brought up on the forums.

Imo IRC has too many downsides:


People fear it - realy, some people are affraid to come there cos they have no clue how it works and refuse to learn as they have messenger.
IRC is of the old days. Where real computer nerds grew up.

Timezone problems - not everyone can be on when they want, the IRC is limited to certain time frames.

Update discussion - the meeting bare little room nor time to decently discuss an update. Info mentioned in the threads gets lots due to the short amount of time admin will listen to a single idea.

NO PONIES - Dash does not look pretty in ascii code !



to name a few

I cannot access IRC myself, so all I can do is suggest people who would go there, to talk about it. And no, it's not a matter of schedule for my case, it's just that I cannot access it, no matter which way I use (different game links, chatZilla...). If I could go there, I would. I don't know if there are other people in my case, but let's not forget that it's not always because people don't want to, that they don't go to. So all I can do is hope people who go there will talk about the matters posted on forums.

SuperSaiyan wrote:

Jim wrote:In my opinion, if Jason is going to listen to SOME people then he should listen to ALL people.

Jason communicates with everyone that attends the meets and makes the effort to communicate with him. Its that simple. If for whatever reason you cannot attend, then you have two other options, you can email him or you can post on the forums and ask someone that does attend to redirect him to it. Its not that he is just ignoring half the server and only listening to a handful of people, its that only a handful of people go to the meets so that is all he has the chance to talk to.

Indeed he does. I dont have a particularly strong opinion on the matter. I just wanted to know other peoples.

SuperSaiyan wrote:

Cole wrote:I cannot access IRC myself, so all I can do is suggest people who would go there, to talk about it. And no, it's not a matter of schedule for my case, it's just that I cannot access it, no matter which way I use (different game links, chatZilla...). If I could go there, I would. I don't know if there are other people in my case, but let's not forget that it's not always because people don't want to, that they don't go to. So all I can do is hope people who go there will talk about the matters posted on forums.

And that is a fair reason, however there is no one perfect solution. You have to realize that, just as there are people who cannot attend for scheduling conflicts.

Yes, there is. Quit whining and send a delegate. If your ideas are that good, send someone you convinced to convince admin, if you can't make it.

SuperSaiyan wrote: Like I said, I'm not an IRC fan at all. And when I think of something else that can be used I certainly bring it up. But I certainly am not going to complain that its all Jason uses and complain that he is using a medium that I do not prefer. How Jason communicates to us is his prerogative and not everyone can be happy about that. If he only used the forums you'd have people that do not like forums complaining. Not everyone is going to be happy...

No one has a reason to be unhappy. If they are, tough luck. Want to talk to admin? Go talk on IRC.

SuperSaiyan wrote:

Jim wrote:In my opinion, if Jason is going to listen to SOME people then he should listen to ALL people.

Which is why there are communications methods available to everyone. If someone doesn't care enough to attend.. tough luck, you waste your own opportunities. He's a Canadian, so Canadian business hours apply. When in Rome..

SuperSaiyan wrote:Jason communicates with everyone that attends the meets and makes the effort to communicate with him. Its that simple. If for whatever reason you cannot attend, then you have two other options, you can email him or you can post on the forums and ask someone that does attend to redirect him to it.

Exactly.


(Re: Aussie-time argument: => e-mail.)

I would need to find a delegate who would be there, who wouldn't mind to post it -and agree with it-. And those who I saw attending it from the IRC logs posted (thanks to those who post it), most of those, I don't have their msn and I'm sure they have better things to do than to be my delegate...if they see the updates on the section and see fit to mention it they probably will -if they agree with it-, that's why best I can do is to suggest people to mention it on IRC in the threads. I've tried the delegate way before, it wasn't successful.
I don't whine I just state my case, and as I don't whine I just prefer not to care about proposing updates myself, this way I won't be disappointed with efficiency to pass my ideas to Admin. That is, until I find a way to access IRC again.

It would be nice, that, instead of certain mods and high profile members burning this idea pre emptively, giving it a bad odeur to whoever reads it.

That some other members can give feedback without feeling like being critised to hell.

It very simple IMO

In the forum update idea's / suggestions posted can be viewed by everyone regardless of the times/dates they are available, and when you read an update idea / suggestion you have the time and space to give the pro's & cons proper consideration and make a well though out and structured argument for or against, or to make a counter proposal / amendment.

In IRC chat, assuming you are available at the times it is held and even able to attend the convo is fast moving, one persons post quickly gets buried under other posts, and you have no time to consider all the merits and flaws of proposals put forward so responses and counter-proposals are either reactionary or not thought though.



Forum discussion is better in every way but one, Admin dont read the bloody forum and thinks the few who attend his meetings represent the majority, NOT SO !!

MEZZANINE wrote:It very simple IMO

In the forum update idea's / suggestions posted can be viewed by everyone regardless of the times/dates they are available, and when you read an update idea / suggestion you have the time and space to give the pro's & cons proper consideration and make a well though out and structured argument for or against, or to make a counter proposal / amendment.

In IRC chat, assuming you are available at the times it is held and even able to attend the convo is fast moving, one persons post quickly gets buried under other posts, and you have no time to consider all the merits and flaws of proposals put forward so responses and counter-proposals are either reactionary or not thought though.



Forum discussion is better in every way but one, Admin dont read the bloody forum and thinks the few who attend his meetings represent the majority, NOT SO !!

MEZZANINE wrote:Forum discussion is better in every way but one, Admin dont read the bloody forum and thinks the few who attend his meetings represent the majority, NOT SO !!

That statement alone implies you have never spoken to admin on IRC. *chuckles* Just a single convo with him and you know better. Jason isn't stupid. Whining people? Focus your attention on getting to IRC instead of crying about how unfair it is that admin doesn't listen to you when you're not talking to HIM but blabbering in empty space.

SuperSaiyan wrote:If you do not want everyone's opinion, do not participate in a discussion posted on the community board. The point of this forum is to get everyone's feedback. I believe I count as part of that everyone. As do all people in this game.

Exactly. A clear knee-jerk playground reaction. "OMG A COLORUD PEAPOL! IT MUST GO AWAY IT HURTS OUR MIND and disagrees with us, so let's pretend we have a case and make supporting arguments out of hot air".