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https://talk.gatewa.rs/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=184252


Reasons for this:

It's cheaper to sab than mass... but it's also faster and requires less skill.
IMO if it's easier it should cost more.

Increasing losses to 15% means that massing comes back into play big time.. people will be less scared to build a big defense and everyone has a lot more fun.

Reasons people may not like it? Well.. because they spent a lot on covert levels. But TBH they can still sab just as easily.. it'll just cost much more UU.


There we go.. argue, debate, discuss this isn't an idea i would look at to get put in.. no way lol.. but will be interesting to see people's opinions on it. I will argue this point for the sake of it and see if i can continually fight for it

Bring back massing...then the issue is somewhat dissolved.

15% might seem a nice number but when trying to sab someone with a huge covert, the numbers would be huge. Also don't forget a failed sab already bites hard, so people do tend to lose a lot every now and then

renegadze wrote:Bring back massing...then the issue is somewhat dissolved.

15% might seem a nice number but when trying to sab someone with a huge covert, the numbers would be huge. Also don't forget a failed sab already bites hard, so people do tend to lose a lot every now and then

I don't understand how this would not bring back massing Sabbing losses would be much higher.. pretty sure at 3x losses massing would become cheaper again.

Also dont understand "numbers will be huge". What do you mean? What numbers?

well if u remove alliance logs then perhaps normal massing can substitute sabing , which has always been there. i sed to damage def , then mass through def and finish it wit some sabs.
when def and cov power are higher enough then one account might not afford it especially knowing that another member can check logs and interrupt his efforts.

Remove Alliance Logs, perhaps

~Phoenix~ wrote:

renegadze wrote:Bring back massing...then the issue is somewhat dissolved.

15% might seem a nice number but when trying to sab someone with a huge covert, the numbers would be huge. Also don't forget a failed sab already bites hard, so people do tend to lose a lot every now and then

I don't understand how this would not bring back massing Sabbing losses would be much higher.. pretty sure at 3x losses massing would become cheaper again.

Also dont understand "numbers will be huge". What do you mean? What numbers?

People have this misconception that covert is "overpowered" covert works perfectly...what went wrong was people used $$ to get covert levels before their time...this couple with the fact massing is not really viable anymore (due to alliance PPT and repair) then covert becomes even more important....the emphasis needs to be taken away from it that's all.

Take a covert power of 400 tril a level 38 would need to send 249mil units and 12.4mil die per sab....now bare in mind you'd probably need a decent amount of hits to do real dmg those 12.4mil a sab soon mount up...then go down 1 covert level you'd have to send 352mil units and 17.8mil die per sab...you're suggesting that 45mil would die per sab

Yeah.. so instead of sab, go mass.. and I don't have any misconceptions I know how the game works.


Why would you sab someone with a 400tril covert anyway?

well i suspect it wont take much untill admin will enpower another weapon taking in consideration how the flow of updates has been in the lst 4 years. maybe the cycle is complete and its back to basics but still sabing isnt overpowered. maybe its time to have some more fights in personal lvl vs team lvl. there are too many eyes in the alliance logs and in heavy wars there are dedicated ppl that just check logs and set alarm for counter attack, alliance ppt or repairs.
the alliance bonuses are proving to be a good stop instead of a push.

It may not be 'OP' as in it's sooooooooooooo damn easy to sab. But I belive it is powerfl enough to put people off massing. What it comes down to is: is it cheaper to mass or sab? Even for myself with just 37 the answer is sab.

lol it's not what's cheaper....go try massing a person with a decent def that is part of an active alliance....unless the alliance falls asleep for half an hour it's very unlikely you'll get anywhere...sabbing largely goes unnoticed and the alliance can "repair"

Many of us that sab actually prefer to mass.....it's simply not a viable option anymore

Ok I see your point now

only when u ve +2 cov lvl better. but when it comes to big defs then teh defender always puts more cov power then what it takes to protect teh def making sabin very costly

Sab % is fine as it is

Alliance PPT/repair should be removed, hell it should never have been introduced.

Houses should be disbanded, or war within a house allowed

Sabs should set auto-war same as attacks, right now the players with the highest coverts can just sab weapons never getting an autowar to put their own stats at risk, while 0 staters come in the do the ACing with nothing to lose from auto-war.

[quote="MEZZANINE":**Filtered**]Alliance PPT/repair should be removed, hell it should never have been introduced. [/quote:**Filtered**]

Game updates

The alliance repair (att and def) have gone to 1/10th their weekly count. Now 20 / week each. This is enough to make a difference in a pinch, but not to count on as an ongoing strategy. As a gift should be


Any help?

Close plss enough opinions noted.

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