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Carnige: main ID 25847 we are calling you out.

To give some background on this issue for the people watching and to clear things up so we are sure you understand the entire matter, I will post it all here.


In the TITANS / Delta war, Badwolf was lifered hard. He had over 100 mil AC units trained (no idea why he did that). Carnige lifered him and went to perg. a few months pass. Carnige comes back to main and Badwolf massed him. This was well within his rights to do so. Carnige says that he did not own the account when it did that (apparently Carnige's wife now owns the account). There was no post on main forums that the account was changing hands, There was no name change on the account and no planets were tagged letting someone know it was under new management. Badwolf had no idea at the time the account had changed hands and was within his rights to mass it.

There were a few PMs between badwolf and the carnige account. Carnige demanded reparations for damages. This should not happen as there was nothing to indicate that the account had changed hands and the new owner was "innocent" and had nothing to do with the lifering of badwolf.

Badwolf has quit the game and put his account for sale. Carnige has "declaired war" with the TITANS Empire and started taking planets. Carnige refused to accept that we did not care about his issue with badwolf since badwolf had quit. He started taking planets from all tiers of our empire. I guess thinking we should suffer for the actions of one of our members that is no longer in the game. We took it as fair game to do the same to the alliance mates of carnige and descended two of them (for the actions of their alliance mate... whats good for carnige to do is good for us right?) Before our retalitory strikes, we had let it pass since the planets taken were crap and most had no defs on them and carnige kept bouncing off our defs. We didnt want to look like bullies for sitting on an account so small.

We are not bullies. We only treated carnige as carnige treated us. We left you alone because you were small. You continued. You demand we repay you for your losses when badwolf massed you. We will not because he was within his rights to do so. He has left the game and we told you yet you continue to try to take planets and bounce off our defs and demand we pay. We will NOT be paying extortion to you.

We do not care to be viewed as bullies for hitting small accounts but, since we have a policy to not pay extortion and we all agree badwolf's actions were justified, there is no way to continue this but to sit on you. We do not think that would be fair because your AS is so small so one of our members has lowered his AS and agreed to vendetta you to end this matter. You have not listened to reason and we feel the only way to end this is in a public forum where, perhaps, others will see what you are doing and maybe explain to you that you are not doing anything for yourself by loosing your AS more and more by hitting defs that are far above your strike and that your actions are NOT justified. We are not about to have our empire attacked by you and you try to appear as a victim in this matter. If indeed you are Carnige's wife, then you should have by now spoken to him about this matter and should know that YOU are in the wrong and badwolf was within his rights to mass the account. (simply renaming a planet would have worked but you failed to do even that small step).

We ignored you so long because we care about our reputation, but at the same time we will not give in to extortion no matter the AS of the account. We have tried to go the diplomatic route in this matter and you chose to continue. If you accept this vendetta, then the issue will end with the vendetta. If you continue to hit TITANS Empire, we do not care about your AS.... we WILL continue to zero you.

The choice is yours.


Come out of Perg and fight, or stop the BS please..

Sincerly Les Ennemis
2IC T I T A N S Legion

we have also tried to obtain missmeliss/carniges msn to settle this, as well as speaking to Luke/~sin~ formally Carnige.

I've seen missmeliss do something similar before against The Dynasty alliance a couple of years back.

personally I think the matter should have been resolved between badwolf and carnige/missmeliss, but they wont accept that badwolf has quit game.

The way I see it badwolf is in the wrong, he massed because he lost units while in a war that ended. If he did not mass due to losses while in war, then he would have not quit. In a way, he brought this on himself.

well badwolf was handeling it himself then other members were getting hit and planets taken so cant be all badwolfs fault lol

Rudy you don't understand the Carnige account ran during the war, got sold or whatever. It hid in perg for a couple months and was never advertised as under new management or anything of the sort. Delta had been contacted and all we got back was mass him. So Badwolf was in his rights to mass Carnige. It should have ended there...however couple weeks later Badwolf had personal life things come up and the game was boring him so he set vacation and put his account up for sale. Carnige has since been using this opportunity to steal P.O.S (piece of **Filtered**) planets from us and trying to extort us for damages done by Badwolf. This vendetta was placed so everyone understands we are not bullying that it is a one vs one.

Personally though if he/she hits me I will hit him back.

(Carnige may or maynot be a multi my own opinion on this matter.)

Rudy Pena wrote:The way I see it badwolf is in the wrong, he massed because he lost units while in a war that ended. If he did not mass due to losses while in war, then he would have not quit. In a way, he brought this on himself.

Carnige was a coward for lifering Bad Wolf and running to perg. He gets exactly what he deserves. All this BS about his wife now owning the account.... stand up and be a man instead of using your wife to hide behind. Pathetic.

Have fun Les.

fast and very brief rundown of actions taken (not in detail)

1 ) carnige lifered BW in war
2 ) carnige ran to perg
3 ) BW waited for carnige to come out of perg and delta was notified that he was flying there flag
4 ) BW massed carnige as retaliation
5 ) planets were bieng taken from each other by both players
6 ) carnige starts attacking other members in the empire and taking there planets
7 ) BW leaves the game
8 ) carnige declares war on empire
9 ) peace talks start but carnige is trying to get us to pay his losses
10 ) people who got hit by carnige hit back
11 ) carnige ran to perg to "grow" but taking his time lol
12 ) emprire members talk about taking this to vendetta
13 ) vendetta called

if i missed anything ill just edit it in but thats basically how events came out

Rudy Pena wrote:

krsnik666 wrote:well badwolf was handeling it himself then other members were getting hit and planets taken so cant be all badwolfs fault lol

Well, you can say it is all his fault.

He massed someone months after a war they were in cause that person massed him while in war. So by his reasoning, I should be in a vendetta with at least 30 people right now for massing me when i was in a war with them.

Rudy Pena wrote:

Eisen Feuer wrote:Rudy you don't understand the Carnige account ran during the war, got sold or whatever. It hid in perg for a couple months and was never advertised as under new management or anything of the sort. Delta had been contacted and all we got back was mass him. So Badwolf was in his rights to mass Carnige. It should have ended there...however couple weeks later Badwolf had personal life things come up and the game was boring him so he set vacation and put his account up for sale. Carnige has since been using this opportunity to steal P.O.S (piece of **Filtered**) planets from us and trying to extort us for damages done by Badwolf. This vendetta was placed so everyone understands we are not bullying that it is a one vs one.

Personally though if he/she hits me I will hit him back.

(Carnige may or maynot be a multi my own opinion on this matter.)

So he left for personal reason, then it goes to say that you are wrong in your first post by saying that he quit cause of this.

What are you saying???? He quit cause of a person or cause of rl things?????

Doesn't matter why he quit, fact is carnige was a coward to run to perg after attacking, then using his wife as an excuse.

Les keep us updated on what's going on.

Clarkey wrote:

Rudy Pena wrote:The way I see it badwolf is in the wrong, he massed because he lost units while in a war that ended. If he did not mass due to losses while in war, then he would have not quit. In a way, he brought this on himself.

Carnige was a coward for lifering Bad Wolf and running to perg. He gets exactly what he deserves. All this BS about his wife now owning the account.... stand up and be a man instead of using your wife to hide behind. Pathetic.

Have fun Les.

Agree 100% no need for such lengthy excuses would have down by myself. Also not buying the crap about wife, frankly I am fed up of wives, GFs, sons, daughters, cousins, nephews and others who are believed to play the game. SGW is becoming **Filtered** family enterprise!

I'm not sure when the Carnige acc dropped Delta tags and formed the Sin Alliance .. (still has Delta tags on ascended)... a lot of this happened prior to me joining Titans.

I do know that Carnige posted about war on our forum same day ~sin~ acc left Sin Alliance and joined Delta ...
~sin~ being the old Carnige (Luke).

The Carnige acc went into Perg after declaring on Titans and hasn't resurfaced since...has had a few unsuccessful hits on one of our perg members. I think there has also been hits by the missmeliss acc

It was thought it fairer to declare a 1v1.. Les has dropped his acc to roughly same size etc as the Carnige acc.

I know Luke does have a RL wife, whether she plays or not I am not sure... I do recall Lukes "gf" missmeliss doing a similar thing to The Dynasty alliance years ago.. I do know I have not come across her since ingame or on any forums (I visit quiet a few) until I joined Titans.

We just want this to end, i know carnige lost alot but that was between him and badwolf unfortunaly he has quit and sold/selling his account.

I have spoken to carnige many times for a seize fire but unfortunatly wants us/me/empire to pay back his losses which we cant do.

We cant seem to get hold of carniges wife or the MSN and luke if you reading what is it?? accept the vendetta carnige then you and LES can have some fun other wise just call this nonesense off.

I would like to make this clear to everyone - this is the account named CARNIGE, it is not about the person who used to own it. If you have a problem with the person who was in control of that account during the war, then that's fine, Delta is bored and can re-establish war if you like.

However Badwolf is EQUALLY at fault as is TITANS for not dealing with the issues of the account leaving during the war. You leave things long enough and they will bite you. As it is, the person never left the war so there was, from Delta's POV no issue.

As for calling someone a coward, I take offence to that Clarkey, given that it's VERY easy to sit there without an account and call everyone all sorts of names. If you have renigged on your quitting thread so be it, but otherwise Clarkey, go elsewhere.

As for TITANS, I have given many of you the ability to contact the previous owner of the account. It's not my fault if you haven't. But the final thing to note is that the new owner of the account is likely NOT TO CARE. They are playing the way they want to.

"3 ) BW waited for carnige to come out of perg and waited for permission from delta to mass" LOL Delta NEVER gives ANYONE permission to mass their members. Make this clearer.

Tekki wrote:As for calling someone a coward, I take offence to that Clarkey, given that it's VERY easy to sit there without an account and call everyone all sorts of names. If you have renigged on your quitting thread so be it, but otherwise Clarkey, go elsewhere.

It's funny how people tell me to go elsewhere just because I don't have an account. I can call Carnige whatever I want as long as i am inline with forum rules. Also it's funny how all those times when I called people things like coward and I did have an account, but it is only after I quit that people want to fight me like in the other threads recently.

Also if you take offense to me calling Carnige a coward when i don't play myself then you take offense to things way too easily my dear.

Anyone that attacks like that and runs immediately to perg is a coward, no arguement. Therefore Carnige (the one in the account at the time) is/was a coward. The battle should have been kept between Carnige and Bad Wolf but as we can see that was not the case and that was not the fault of Bad Wolf.

Tekki wrote:I would like to make this clear to everyone - this is the account named CARNIGE, it is not about the person who used to own it. If you have a problem with the person who was in control of that account during the war, then that's fine, Delta is bored and can re-establish war if you like.

However Badwolf is EQUALLY at fault as is TITANS for not dealing with the issues of the account leaving during the war. You leave things long enough and they will bite you. As it is, the person never left the war so there was, from Delta's POV no issue.

As for calling someone a coward, I take offence to that Clarkey, given that it's VERY easy to sit there without an account and call everyone all sorts of names. If you have renigged on your quitting thread so be it, but otherwise Clarkey, go elsewhere.

As for TITANS, I have given many of you the ability to contact the previous owner of the account. It's not my fault if you haven't. But the final thing to note is that the new owner of the account is likely NOT TO CARE. They are playing the way they want to.

"3 ) BW waited for carnige to come out of perg and waited for permission from delta to mass" LOL Delta NEVER gives ANYONE permission to mass their members. Make this clearer.

I will make it clear. I do not know and do not have logs to anyone saying that DELTA said to mass him.

@Everyone, this WILL remain an issue between myself and the owner of the CARNIGE account. This new account owner whoever it is wife, cousin, mom, or dad brother aunt, dog, is not the issue. The issue will stand at this T I T A N S will never be extorted and other members have had their planets taken for silly reasons. I was not in T I T A N S for the DELTA war, but that has nothing to do with this current situation. AGAIN
ISSUE IS MYSELF AND CARNIGE (whoever you may be) No one else. Ty for the good lucks.

At the time during the war, Carnige lifered BadWolf and went to perg and never resurfaced.. that should have been a given that it was a runner. We had a few of those on our side in the war also. Runners are fair game for anyone to hit on either side during or after a war...

and here is the log where I asked about carnige.. and the response i got...

7/2/2011 2:41:47 PM Woofy Bear Δ Deadliest Wes 68005 do you know Carnige ID 25847 or why he is carrying delta flags on asended?
7/2/2011 8:06:03 PM Δ Deadliest Wes 68005 Woofy Bear someone who quit, hit him
7/4/2011 1:53:33 AM Woofy Bear Δ Deadliest Wes 68005 he he me once and i sent him a plolite but firm message "i would not advise you hit me again" he had lost the attack.. then he sends me a message about "you dont know who i am, i could flatten your entire alliace.. blah blah blah and goes on about me sending threatning message... whats threating about what i sent? HE FAILED IN THE ATTACK.. seemed like good advice.. friendly but firm... i getting sick of all this political BS that comes with the game



I Hope that clears things up a little.

A little info for the people out there, no we are not looking to restart the war with delta, we have a lot of respect for you guys and hold no bad feelings for any of them. In fact, i do consider the few I have had contact with to be friends. This is not about anything but this: carnige had/has an issue with someone from out alliance that has quit... he/she is holding our alliance responsible for him. Under that logic any alliance that has a member that leaves or quits will forever be responsible for the actions of that person... Sorry, but BadWolf quit. If he was right or wrong in his actions, the issue should have dropped when he left. Carnige (current account owner) should have left it at that but continued to attack members of the TE and that has resulted in this vendetta rather than us all just sit on the account and risk someone actually quitting over this...

Personally, I dont see logic in carnige wanting to continue because the account fails in every hit on us except when taking worthless planets and then we zero the account again... This is one of those situations where a mutual walk away is the best for all. I never wanted an issue with Carnige (past or present owner) but here we are.. Vendetta will be fought with Les fighting on the side of T I T A N S Empire rather than us all declaring on Carnige. If carnige is not able to handle the vendetta or refuses, then we have no choice but to continue to zero the account when it resurfaces from perg.

A walk away will always be an option for Carnige with no hard feelings.