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StarGateWars Forums • Is "Slave-Trading" the new "Feeding"??
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Is "Slave-Trading" the new "Feeding"??

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:08 am
by Affirmation
Ah well, it begins anew...

Old Man Affy is always cooking a brain cell or two, many times it is useful, but often it is for naught. #-o

Is the "Trading" of Slaves, or the practice of having one Active player Raid, Raid, Raid acquiring an enormous amount of Slaves, and then leave themselves Defenseless for another Active member to "Recover/Trade" those goods from said player by the multiple repeated, Raid, Raid, Raid and acquisition of Slave UU now to become the new "Feed"? I cannot be the one to make this distinction, for I am torn from my own admitted behavior and the debates of bygone Eras.

I (and a Team/Alliance of players) once assisted a long time Allie and friend to totally dominate an Era by trading NAQ in a concerted/planned effort of teamwork and cooperation among active players (to differentiate this from teamwork among partially or Inactive players). That player so totally overwhelmed the Era that he was brought to bear by us, the Quantum community in the Forums, as we have occasion to do. I believe doodie-head Affy was one of the few who openly admitted to helping this Player (mainly cause of my long-standing theory that any Player, ANY player, can dominate an Era with enough help and concerted teamwork, especially in a War game that includes the options of Officers AND Alliances, groups of inter-related cooperative titles and groupings that to this old buffoon, would seem to suggest the concept of 'team' play, and that by true Teamwork, any player could dominate an Era even overcoming those who spend $$). We proved that point, well, too efficiently and it was verbally chastised to this old man that:

"Any active player that sacrifices their OWN final ranking or standing to largely do nothing but Assist another player obtain a higher Final ranking is performing actions that are akin to 'Feeding' itself" (This may be a summarized paraphrasing...)

Essentially, the Quantum community seemed to agree CONTRARY to our theory that Teamwork, among Active players where one sacrifices TOO much to the other player was frowned upon. Later it was given a name, and deemed completely reprehensible and became something to be "self-policed" hence the eventual development of the "Galactic Attack Logs". Hey, those things didn't just fall out of the air, all the extra coding, and additional Admin work was provoked from something, some movement, some request, of the will of the community.

Well, that debate will obviously be tested again this Era. Just take NAQ and replace it with Slaves, and replace Farming/Feeding with Raiding/"Slave-Trading" and the debate begins anew.

Now don't get crazy Affy wrong, I am judging no one, lest I be judged for thinking and theorizing (and believing that "Team" play no matter what form in a War game format that encourages Teaming up as Officers and Alliances) and abusing a similar strategy many, many Eras ago that was later deemed distasteful, but is now being resurrected in a different form. I am just going to be a VERY interested bystander/observer in the Era of "Slave-Trading". I once apologized (not necessarily completely willingly) to the Q Forum Community for being involved in a tactic that later was found to be TOO much of a Team advantage to keep the integrity of the Quantum Era competition intact, and when faced with that I took my medicine and agreed to abide by the wishes of the majority (i.e. the Vocal Majority of the Forums, or many may say the possible Vocal Minority, since the majority seem to be the apathetic non-vocal non-Forum contributors... :-$ )

I will watch and listen intently, and once again see where this time honored debate goes. But, I will judge none, nor apologize for my own past actions or my own theories again. I will only try to mentally stimulate the Forums with my experiences and my wisdom, which at times seems deranged and mentally unbalanced, but, in this debate and question I remain respectfully serious and wish to provoke thought. For the Quantum game becomes what we seem to mold it to be here in the Forums, and drive it to be so in the game.
(All deference aside to recent debates here in the Forums that the rules of Quantum are written in Stone somewhere and never decided upon here by the will of the Quantum community...)

Let the question be posed... Is "Slave-Trading" the new "Feeding"?? :-k

'Bad Affy' Sez... Oh crap... Well, there it is, brain-fart and all!

Re: Is "Slave-Trading" the new "Feeding"??

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:56 am
by alucard110
Affirmation wrote:I (and a Team/Alliance of players) once assisted a long time Allie and friend to totally dominate an Era by trading NAQ in a concerted/planned effort of teamwork and cooperation among active players (to differentiate this from teamwork among partially or Inactive players). That player so totally overwhelmed the Era that he was brought to bear by us, the Quantum community in the Forums, as we have occasion to do.

...We proved that point, well, too efficiently.....

heheheh, the good old days, ALL FOR ONE AND ONE FOR ALL (but in that case it was a little more "all for one")
Affirmation wrote:"Any active player that sacrifices their OWN final ranking or standing to largely do nothing but Assist another player obtain a higher Final ranking is performing actions that are akin to 'Feeding' itself" (This may be a summarized paraphrasing...)

Couldn't agree more, doesn't matter the "currency" if an 'active' player decides to devote time, turns and resources to another that should fit into the category of 'feeding'.

Doesn't matter if we have an era where we farm "rocks" off each other, if one person stock piles a $h** load of rocks and "gives" them to another player..... *feeding*.... or is it just good team work.... but if admin wanted to let "team work" go forth and prosper, they would consider Alliance banks, alliance techs or inter alliance trading (with maximum limits)..

Hi, and Bye.

Re: Is "Slave-Trading" the new "Feeding"??

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:24 am
by Scenester
Interesting points and all.

If the poll ever came up asking for removal of the ''peace'' and ''alliance'' options id vote for removal... There are simply TOO LITTLE people playing this game to form big teams and have team battles and stuff like that.
Q is more of a lonewolf game, maybe there should be put an emphasis onto this matter. Teamplay = main, Solo = Q.

And then the next thing comes up, you don't know anyone that would ruin their own rank to help you out, how about create a bunch of accounts elsewhere and use those as your personal farm. ''having more then one account is against the rules'' yeah but seriously how hard is it to make that go unseen? Or hell even seen the admin don't bother to do anything against it.
If this teamplay thing you speak of was indeed allowed, its just a matter of time before people start multiing like a mofo.

Alot of crying will follow in this topic and no one will agree with eachother but hey isnt that just what you get in a game that has so little users there is no ingame admin that can keep the rules updated and resolve things like this before it even becomes a problem?

Re: Is "Slave-Trading" the new "Feeding"??

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:04 am
by Retribution
Pretty much agree with all that's been said here. I think almost everyone can agree feeding is noob BULL that shouldn't be allowed officially, and has almost never been allowed locally among Q players.

As for the "remove alliances" thought, I would just bring up that the SGW community had this added to further help the alliances already in existence. In other words: People will still be in alliances to help eachother out if there is official alliances and rankings or not.

Just look at the greatest Era we've ever had, the old school Era, we just went back to putting the alliance in our names and messaging alliance members one at a time instead of all at once.

Re: Is "Slave-Trading" the new "Feeding"??

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:55 pm
by ™THE_LEGEND™
If there wasnt a section in the Quantum Legends for Winning Alliances then I would be fine with no alliances, but since admin has a spot for that, it makes me want it each era! :smt117

Re: Is "Slave-Trading" the new "Feeding"??

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:48 pm
by Affirmation
Interesting, this has sparked just the sort of Conversation Affy was looking for...

I remember when we begged Admin to add Alliances and conversely to remove the ability to trade between CO and Officers, both arguments and requests had their merits and disadvantages. However, I was always confused at how we removed the ability to trade resources, but then also wanted to add and/or retain the ability to group into Alliances, and to also (of course being the competitive bunch we are) to desire to add Alliance power and rankings to the overall Quantum game.

I have observed with glee and confusion for many years how we want one thing added to the game, then later use the essential spirit and theory of that coding addition to then later define something that utilizes that spirit or theory as now deemed "illegal" or an improper/unfair advantage. But, we all know that Quantum is both its best, and worst, because we Quantum lovers usually want to 'have our cake and eat it also!' Right?? HAHA =D>

Certainly the time has come to redefine, and re-focus what we really want Quantum to be in the future as far as a team oriented game or a Lone Wolf type game. I know that I find it hard to define one type of teamwork as illegal or improper when the game seems to have competitive elements that require players to team together. But, I can also agree that the electronically social team/friend aspect of the game is one reason old man Affy has played for so many years (it can't be my superior Quantum talents or ability to finish ranked High every Era... :smt018 ) so obviously I enjoy the aspect of how getting to know players in Q if both fun and beneficial, and how this spills over into the Main server and plays into the success of the Quantum game.

As Scenester points out, Quantum appears to be a Lone Wolf game. Maybe that is what direction we need to take it, remove CO/Officer relationships, remove actual Alliances (other than just Tags we can wear on our players) and consider it a game of individuals, playing against all others, or the "One against the server" theory? Remove Alliance Rankings so we competitive fools will stop joining together to accomplish that title or going back more to Old Skool style play.

Or, enhance the cooperative aspect of the game by adding Alliance features that assist in the Team play aspects without overwhelming the Lone Wolfs (insert all sorts of ideas here - Topic for a different suggestions Forum). Allow for features that encourages trading of resources but place limits on the types and amounts. In other words, looking at the war/issue on legalization of Pot/Marijuana in America as an analogy, legalize it and regulate it if you can't police it or stop it! HAHAHA

Doesn't it seem like we are really in that place? We spend so much efforts trying to police and deter what we consider illegal or improper/unfair activities when we really either need to decide to omit it altogether, or legalize it with restrictions and limitations. We debate the minute details of certain actions ad infinitum, while not realizing that we can't have it all ways most of the time. One method/theory/style of play is deemed wrong when it works against the special feature, while seeming to be OK when it is inconsequential in an Era. I think the issue is really just we need a high level agreement on what the Q game is going to be about as far as team play and cooperation, and then these debates will not be necessary. Or, as my grandfather used to always say to little Affy Jr. when I was growing up... "time to Dookie or get off the pot!" :smt047

Lets get more opinions, as this is where I was going with this Topic in my mind. Since every Era and every new Q Special Feature just brings us a new "rock" (thanks Alucard) to play with, we spend each new Era trying to come up with a new way to gain the competitive advantage. We spend so much time trying to out-smart each other, maybe the time has come to either allow the team play aspects, or remove it completely.

Since Affy is never shy about making his opinion known, (or typing about his old mentally disturbed self in the third person...) I will let it be known that I am still all for allowing the team play aspects of Quantum to be included in the game, along with the ability to both restrict some types of team work, while enhancing others. Refine Q so that Team play works, OR, remove it completely.

'Bad Affy' sez... You can't even remove ME from your brain, why should anyone listen to you? :smt100

Re: Is "Slave-Trading" the new "Feeding"??

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:02 pm
by ™THE_LEGEND™
AFFY YOU TYPE ALOT!!!! ](*,) but thats the way I remember you haha!
I say feeding is cheating... but if someone is in your alliance and has gone inactive for days on end without reply, then I will farm him. No sense in letting someone not of the same alliance or (Pact) in my case to get it. I mean we can't do Commander/Officer Chain like we used to be able to do :?
But like your saying, I think its stupid we all hate one perk one era that was used many eras ago and just tagged along, but when that perk was created or even an era after we didn't complain. This makes no sense to me, however, last era was decent, but on a scale of 1-10 it was a 4 cause Hippy and I controlled the Stones, just look at the G&R for both of us that era, he of course had more since I started 20+ days late. And everyone is getting mad at those who buy USS's, well tough... The game wouldn't survive without donations, I mean its been through alot with name changes and race name changes and what not the past years so if you dont like it then dont play it... I agree that its not worth throwing REAL HARD CASH into, but who plays xbox live??? Its the same thing to me, just alot more money for shorter time gain. I bought a couple last era, and probably will get one this era. AND I agree Affy we need to come together and agree on the terms and conditions of what we deem legal or illegal as a community of QW this era.

Re: Is "Slave-Trading" the new "Feeding"??

Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:50 am
by cyberdemon
05:11 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 2,999 untrained units
05:11 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 3,264 untrained units
05:11 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 2,988 untrained units
05:11 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 2,829 untrained units
05:11 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 3,021 untrained units
05:12 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 2,763 untrained units
05:12 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 2,976 untrained units
05:12 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 3,099 untrained units
05:12 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 3,165 untrained units
05:12 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 2,684 untrained units
05:14 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 2,643 untrained units
05:13 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 2,727 untrained units
05:13 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 3,101 untrained units
YA, You seem to be a real standup guy. I'm not someone that starts a lot of crap on here, but you are getting under my skin. Don't talk as if your stuff doesn't stink. You haven't been around here long enough. Feeding is going to happen, buying USS is going to happen and multi's are going to happen...although I think that is much less likely now. I understand that we bring up the same things every wave...and I like affy's rants as much as the next guy, so keep them coming. Legend, you finished 19th last wave...how can you even come close to saying you had any kind of control over anything. the only control you had, is what the real legends aloud you to have. I only know of 2 of the top 10 Legends that still play, soon to be one.

Re: Is "Slave-Trading" the new "Feeding"??

Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:36 am
by Scenester
cyberdemon wrote:05:11 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 2,999 untrained units
05:11 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 3,264 untrained units

YA, You seem to be a real standup guy. I'm not someone that starts a lot of crap on here, but you are getting under my skin. Don't talk as if your stuff doesn't stink. You haven't been around here long enough. Feeding is going to happen, buying USS is going to happen and multi's are going to happen...although I think that is much less likely now. I understand that we bring up the same things every wave...and I like affy's rants as much as the next guy, so keep them coming. Legend, you finished 19th last wave...how can you even come close to saying you had any kind of control over anything. the only control you had, is what the real legends aloud you to have. I only know of 2 of the top 10 Legends that still play, soon to be one.



Uhm cyberdemon... j7054 only played in the beginning, not too active now,so is just a slightly better farm at times... this wasnt a feed, its just a farm with maybe 200more units per raid then the avg non-active-never-have-logged-in-farm at times... :roll:

avg farms:
06:20 sabjefsil 390680872838 trinca 1156521218181 3,086 untrained units kidnapped
06:19 sabjefsil 390680872838 alexlm 435595176594 3,255 untrained units kidnapped
06:16 Neo 589579080613 r23d43 541543453437 3,002 untrained units kidnapped
05:42 sasuke 317800930307 elias421 344474668566 2,951 untrained units kidnapped

Re: Is "Slave-Trading" the new "Feeding"??

Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:27 pm
by Retribution
cyberdemon wrote:05:11 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 2,999 untrained units
05:11 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 3,264 untrained units
05:11 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 2,988 untrained units
05:11 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 2,829 untrained units
05:11 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 3,021 untrained units
05:12 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 2,763 untrained units
05:12 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 2,976 untrained units
05:12 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 3,099 untrained units
05:12 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 3,165 untrained units
05:12 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 2,684 untrained units
05:14 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 2,643 untrained units
05:13 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 2,727 untrained units
05:13 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 3,101 untrained units
YA, You seem to be a real standup guy. I'm not someone that starts a lot of crap on here, but you are getting under my skin. Don't talk as if your stuff doesn't stink. You haven't been around here long enough. Feeding is going to happen, buying USS is going to happen and multi's are going to happen...although I think that is much less likely now. I understand that we bring up the same things every wave...and I like affy's rants as much as the next guy, so keep them coming. Legend, you finished 19th last wave...how can you even come close to saying you had any kind of control over anything. the only control you had, is what the real legends aloud you to have. I only know of 2 of the top 10 Legends that still play, soon to be one.


He finished 19th cause he was getting raped by everyone in the game at the end. Legend played only second to Hippy last Era. Don't act like you know crap and then start talking crap at the same time. I'm not trying to start anything but you better not call someone out like that when you don't have your dang facts straight, Aight? Cause it just makes you look like a complete douchebag.

Re: Is "Slave-Trading" the new "Feeding"??

Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:10 pm
by ™THE_LEGEND™
cyberdemon wrote:05:11 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 2,999 untrained units
05:11 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 3,264 untrained units
05:11 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 2,988 untrained units
05:11 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 2,829 untrained units
05:11 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 3,021 untrained units
05:12 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 2,763 untrained units
05:12 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 2,976 untrained units
05:12 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 3,099 untrained units
05:12 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 3,165 untrained units
05:12 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 2,684 untrained units
05:14 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 2,643 untrained units
05:13 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 2,727 untrained units
05:13 ™THE_L3G3ND™ 375813255190 j7054 481071459975 3,101 untrained units
YA, You seem to be a real standup guy. I'm not someone that starts a lot of crap on here, but you are getting under my skin. Don't talk as if your stuff doesn't stink. You haven't been around here long enough. Feeding is going to happen, buying USS is going to happen and multi's are going to happen...although I think that is much less likely now. I understand that we bring up the same things every wave...and I like affy's rants as much as the next guy, so keep them coming. Legend, you finished 19th last wave...how can you even come close to saying you had any kind of control over anything. the only control you had, is what the real legends aloud you to have. I only know of 2 of the top 10 Legends that still play, soon to be one.



Listen hear.... I started in 2005 right around when the games all started, dont say I havent been around long enough. AND #2 I gave Hippy a run for his money last wave, I started over 25 days late in the era and played a well played era, I just had people mass me because of my stats and I controlled all the stones for the final days up till the last day. SO DON'T YOU DARE COME ON TO THIS FORUM AND POST THIS NOPE THAT I DIDNT HAVE ANY CONTROL LAST ERA, I HAD RANKED ONE ALLIANCE AND RANKED ONE COMMANDER RANK AND RANKED ONE OVERALL POWER UP TILL THE LAST DAY!! THERE IS NO LEGEND ON HERE THAT I THINK IS MORE LEGENDARY, I HAVE PLAYED NOT AS LONG CAUSE I HAVE A VERY BUSY REAL LIFE AWAY FROM THE GAME. BUT I STARTED AS EARLY AS ANYONE COULD START ON THE GAME. SO SHUT YOUR NOPE MOUTH, OR I WILL DO IT FOR YOU! YEAH YOU P.O'ED ME! YOUR NOTHING BUT A PUNK,

-™THE_L3G3ND™


I do not wish to fight someone as weak as you and such a nobody, I dont want to have any feuds with anyone this era, I have met alot of great friends on here and wish to keep it that way and gain more, but you sir will never have my respect!

Re: Is "Slave-Trading" the new "Feeding"??

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:23 am
by [BoT] Jason
[sarcasm]u mad bro? Using CAPS LOCK is really scary bro, please don't hurt cyber demon bro. Not like he will knock you 7 ways from Sunday...[/sarcasm]

Re: Is "Slave-Trading" the new "Feeding"??

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:27 am
by Quina Quen
Come on girls, no need to get irate about things, especially this game.

Re: Is "Slave-Trading" the new "Feeding"??

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:49 am
by Rn5ho
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Re: Is "Slave-Trading" the new "Feeding"??

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:55 am
by ™THE_LEGEND™
Horath wrote:Image


Hahaha nice picture Horath!

General Riviera wrote:Come on girls, no need to get irate about things, especially this game.


mhmm I am calmed down now, just had a long day yesterday and logged on to see these allegations against me. ](*,) made me explode.

[BoT] Jason wrote:[sarcasm]u mad bro? Using CAPS LOCK is really scary bro, please don't hurt cyber demon bro. Not like he will knock you 7 ways from Sunday...[/sarcasm]


My Caps lock key stuck :---) 8)