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What proof is needed
Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 3:54 am
by _willie_
What proof is needed to bring a script user to justice?
Re: What proof is needed
Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 4:36 am
by Clarkey
_willie_ wrote:What proof is needed to bring a script user to justice?
I think the only proof that is needed is what can be see by a game admin only. There is no proof that we as users can provide, but only suspicions.
Re: What proof is needed
Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 6:37 am
by _willie_
ok so I'm going to lay out what I think and other will let me know if my suspicions is valid.
id=69429
I logged in to my old account (forgotmyserenity) to change the details because I was giving the account to a friend to use while he found a better one that he can buy.
Just for giggles I wanted to see who was farming the account
when I checked the attack logs there are multipul attacks by the same person. On average this player hit the account at the same time every 2 hours at the same exact second each time.
each time it was exactly at 36th second of each minute or it is the 06th second and each time the hit is 12 turns which means that the user of this account has to actually type in 12 in the attack screen and not click the quick button.
opinions wanted but please do not flame this thread. I am merely posting the suspicious activity.
I cannot post logs as I have changed the account info i will try to get the info from that player.
Re: What proof is needed
Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 6:48 am
by Juliette
It is not an unreasonable suspicion.
Do mail admin, see what they say.
Provide the ID of the attacking and attacked account, as well as a few specific times from the logs, to spice up your mail and make it look more professional.
I am sure they will investigate.
Re: What proof is needed
Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 6:54 am
by Heisenberg
I talk tp Ice often on MSN. He's always on. During a chat he'll say BRB farming at everyturn change.
I can't see him using a script but worth a check.
Re: What proof is needed
Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 7:01 am
by Game Over
Icebreaker does sell a ton of naq. Not saying he's cheating, but worth it to check.
Re: What proof is needed
Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 8:30 am
by xDaku
Been reported with screen shots of impossible naq jumps and the time frame they're done within.
Also been reported with officer logs showing a full 24 hours of farming with hits at exactly the same second each time.
Logs of an old inactive that I managed to acquire were also sent in, they showed the same thing.
Also, when attempting to steal repair naq and having a second person do instant spy reports, the weapon damage goes back to full immediately. Showed this logs to admin too. This happens at every hit during a TC.
It's all been sent to admin, admin's admitted that this type of farming is practically impossible (not due to the time frame, as suspicious as that is it IS possible for a human to spend 24 hours farming - max used to set alarms for each half hour). It is impossible due to the huge consistent naq jumps that happen within milliseconds.
Admin hasn't done anything about it.
Coincidentally (
), Ice let it slip that he constantly buys turns from the BM - when his AT supply goes down, usually towards the end of the week.
Re: What proof is needed
Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 11:05 am
by MEZZANINE
lol Ice again
He once set a member of FS to war and farmed every 30 mins for 18 hours straight, I massed him of course, then he was never in the logs again
Yes he is well know as script user, admin has been told several times and does nothing
Re: What proof is needed
Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 12:25 pm
by IceBreaker
Hi to all who doesn't know me, i was thinking of posting something about myself to clerify some things about me and i think this is the time to do it.
I respect all opinions and don't judge anyone by its cover.
As i said this time is perfect to tell something about myself and i was also out of town today most of time and didn't farm , which can be prooved and confirmed by admins and those who bump me on MSN (Which i wasnt till i got home):- Today date: 09.05.2012
- Ingame time last farmed before came back home: 1:36
- I was also off MSN which i am usely not when online
I also wanna tnx to all who notifyed me on MSN when came online about this post and give me a chance to explain some things.
Some things about and some on which i am not also proud off (Things which were the reason that i didn't post this before 
) - I am playing GW so long when it was called SGW so around 5+ years ( Time pass fast
) - I wasn't farming as much before last 1-2 years, which can be confirmed by last alliance i was in SU ( Slovenian United ) - members who still play GW
- Why i didn't farm before as much as i do now: I was attending Collage, Working mostly when on Collage to afforde it ( Active only at nights and even then not as much if i was out drinking - good old days )
- Now something i am not proud off: Finished collage what then ( Proud ) ???? A job, YES, wrong no job and not employed ( Not proud ), what to do was something which was a front of me and done before me "SELL NAQ on GW" and earn some $$$ to help out my family as i love my family, because they invested so much into me and my education when they had almost nothing ( I am proud alot and will do anything for them).
- I do farm alot i admit, but i don't farm as much as it is told 18 H + nonsense and can be checked anytime. I farm in avarage around 14 H but what is 14 H ??? Nothing because farming require mostly login, require AT, and farm few min on turn change. This can be done by anyone with time i have as un-employed person and in need.
- I activly search for a job which i dont get
](./images/smilies/eusa_wall.gif "Brick wall")
, if i get i job i will allways take a job before GW - All those who know me and regulary bumping me on MSN when online and at home can confirm my activity
- I do sleep and i do eat thats why i don't farm more then avarage 14 H. U are all asking why do i get up early and do this ? Because when was on collage i was working + exams and i am used to it.
- Some one said i farm same sacond and mostly same time which is possible with my farming list, as it is regular size, regulary updated and mostly same targets build from years off experiance and what i call effective farm list.
First sorry for long response and no bad feeling to those who has an opinion. Their are some things i am not proud off and this is only way to survive as anyone with the possibility and time would do.
I wanna tnx again to those who belive in me and notifyed me when i came online MSN...
As allways have fun to all.
Re: What proof is needed
Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 12:40 pm
by xXxsephirothxXx
To not slip by even a split second seems a bit far fetched... understand if maybe same person get hit within the same minute every turn change... but really....
Re: What proof is needed
Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 12:41 pm
by Juliette
That sucks, Ice. Hope you get a good job fitting your talents soon.
Good luck!
I hope you agree though, admin should at least take a quick look to silence everyone?
Re: What proof is needed
Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 12:49 pm
by IceBreaker
Cersei Lannister wrote:That sucks, Ice. Hope you get a good job fitting your talents soon.
Good luck!
I hope you agree though, admin should at least take a quick look to silence everyone?
I do agree and tnx for support.
Re: What proof is needed
Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 12:51 pm
by IceBreaker
xXxsephirothxXx wrote:To not slip by even a split second seems a bit far fetched... understand if maybe same person get hit within the same minute every turn change... but really....
_willie_ mantioned this "On average this player hit the account at the same time every 2 hours at the same exact second each time." avarage meens not allways so he took avarage ... and this doesnt meend 100 % allways ...
Re: What proof is needed
Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 1:28 pm
by GhostyGoo
IceBreaker, you sound like a decent sort of chap to me; i'm not often fooled. Good luck with finding something more suitable than selling naq - the western world is not a very welcoming place these days for honest people trying to earn an honest pay, believe me i know!
On from that, _willie_, i read that the hits took place at the same second. Surely you mean minute? Are we losing something in translation _willie_ or am i unaware of how you can tell what second past the minute you were hit? If we are talking minutes it is entirely possible - a minute lasts 60 seconds, Icebreaker probably hits an account every 1 second on a good strong connection:
http://gatewars.com/lag.php reports
Time to Load Page lag.php at 14:21 : 0.000207 seconds!!
Even faster than i thought! I use a useless wifi dongle!
I'm very rusty at practical math but i think it goes something like this:
*cogs grinding, squeaking, complaining*
60 (seconds) / 0.000207 (page lag) = 289.86
Mathlord? *snigger*
So this means, on my rusty old lappy with its monumentally slow internet, i can technically farm 289 accounts in the same minute.
Now, considering this, the accusation does not seem so strong? Good to report suspicions though, certainly!
Re: What proof is needed
Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 1:53 pm
by ramen07
GhostyGoo wrote:IceBreaker, you sound like a decent sort of chap to me; i'm not often fooled. Good luck with finding something more suitable than selling naq - the western world is not a very welcoming place these days for honest people trying to earn an honest pay, believe me i know!
On from that, _willie_, i read that the hits took place at the same second. Surely you mean minute? Are we losing something in translation _willie_ or am i unaware of how you can tell what second past the minute you were hit? If we are talking minutes it is entirely possible - a minute lasts 60 seconds, Icebreaker probably hits an account every 1 second on a good strong connection:
http://gatewars.com/lag.php reports
Time to Load Page lag.php at 14:21 : 0.000207 seconds!!
Even faster than i thought! I use a useless wifi dongle!
I'm very rusty at practical math but i think it goes something like this:
*cogs grinding, squeaking, complaining*
60 (seconds) / 0.000207 (page lag) = 289.86
Mathlord? *snigger*
So this means, on my rusty old lappy with its monumentally slow internet, i can technically farm 289 accounts in the same minute.
Now, considering this, the accusation does not seem so strong? Good to report suspicions though, certainly!
_willie_ wrote:each time it was exactly at 36th second of each minute or it is the 06th second and each time the hit is 12 turns which means that the user of this account has to actually type in 12 in the attack screen and not click the quick button.