I would like to lodge a complaint.
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 4:42 pm
I do not have many posts on this board and have tried to avoid it during the time this account has been active, when possible (at least posting with it). I have familiarize myself with the forum rules and have seen blatant favoritism by Empy towards DDE in the DDE / OE war thread in the GC (sorry I can't link to it but I am sure you know where it is.)
The thread was not modded at all for about 20 or so pages. The thread got heated and was locked.. twice I think. Jedi Tank, Robert and I believe Duck Dodgers have implied I am overweight and ugly, (which I take as a personal insult) in a few posts and nothing was done.. No warnings issued, no people banned. (Details of my life and personal appearance to the degree they have stated have NOT been made public on this forum by myself and any information they may have obtained in any other way is EXPRESSLY forbidden by the rules, and I quote:
c. Abuse / Racism
Members of the SGW community are required to speak courteously to others. Personal attacks on other members are not tolerated. This includes comments about one’s sex, gender, skin color, religion, or cultural heritage. You may not post personal information about another user regardless of how it was obtained. This includes their address, phone numbers, names, or any other detail about their real life status that they have not already posted on the SGW forums themselves. For exceptions to this rule please see the role playing section (section 6).
There was no role playing done in these posts only statements and insinuations about my personal appearance which had never been posted by myself on these boards! Even though this was in the GC and there is less strictness on the behavior there due to role playing nature of that section, this was never intended as any sort of role play but comments meant to be of a hurtful and abusive nature. (yet no warnings were issued.. no people were banned)
ETL gets a warning and banned for a comment he made in MSN that one of the DDE members copied and posted on the board from a MSN converastion.. Last I checked Kingdom Games does not govern what happens on other sites or programs and if anything the person who posted the convo should have been given the warning and NOT ETL since his comment was OUTSIDE the jurisdiction of Kingdom Games and this forum. (If I agree with his comment or not, it was done outside the game and he should not be punished for something he did outside the game... thats like getting a point in the game because you ran a red light in your car...)
Empy gives a blanket warning that no further talk about cheating or people scripting is to be made in the thread after he had unlocked it.
I point out that Robert is off topic and not banned and follow with a statement that I am sorry for not being more active and will return next week.. Empy replies "crap" in the subject line after the link to the thread and gives me a warning for being off topic.
Here is the first warning I got which is on topic. The only thing that could be deemed in any way off topic is my answer to Robert's question.
Message subject: Re: The War To End All Wars DDE VS OE - crap
From: Empy
Sent: Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:10 pm
To: WoofyBear
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Subject: The War To End All Wars DDE VS OE - crap
WoofyBear wrote:
R0B3RT wrote:
10 000 quad farmed in ascend by etl
woffy 500 trill in 20 min in main
where we go
I don.t talk about etl woffy gandy script
off topic again... yet still not banned??? hmm, are the mods ignoring Empy's more strict rules for this thread???
Sorry I haven't been on to play this week but RL issues which I don't care to air here require my time. I will see about coming off vac next week for some laughs.
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~Empy
(please also note the subject of in the email.. "crap" added to it.. I take that as being disrespectful to me personally implying that my post is crap and then to add injury to insult I get a warning!)
Since Empy was nice enough to quote the rules to me... I will quote the rules to you that HE broke...
Section 9: Moderator Respect
Users are required to be respectful while addressing moderators who are acting in an official capacity. Moderators are likewise expected to be respectful to users while operating in an official capacity. Moderators will get no special treatment while posting as a user. If one party ceases to be respectful, that does NOT give the other party the liberty to respond with disrespect.
This extends to private messages and reports. If you message a staff member with demands or insults, or if you file a report with demands or insults, it will not be acceptable and may be ignored.
Consequence:
Users who are disrespectful to moderators or staff members will receive a verbal warning. Repeat offenders will receive one warning point. Issues about Moderators being disrespectful will be handled internally.
My comment here about Robert being off topic was in direct reply to his comment about scripting/cheating and meant as a flag and reminder to him and the moderators that this was considered off topic by Empy and points would be issued for this subject material. (this is a friendly equivalent of "can we get a mod to clean this thread"). I followed with a notice to everyone that I was sorry for not being active and would try to return next week. (NOT OFF TOPIC IN A WAR THREAD IN A WAR I AM PART OF!)
Robert has gone on on that thread and others accusing me and others in OE of cheating. I have explained to him repeatedly about why I had so much naq out answering his repeated question(which is obvious spam yet no warning or bann was given to him) so that he will stop posting. I see he had started a thread here viewtopic.php?p=2477814#p2477814 the same thing.. so I point out i have already answered his question many times and ask him a valid question "are you slightly retarded". If I knew that he was, I would have known how better to deal with the situation and his obvious reason for repeating the same question. I even put at the bottom of my post this was not an insult, it was a question. I get a verbal warning for this. COME ON.. I mean if you answer someone's question several times and they keep asking it, you cant help but ask if there is a reason for this... Slight, moderate, sever retardation.. OCD...whatever... and you will never know if you do not ask, and it will just serve to frustrate you so rather than deal with the frustration I ask the question... (Asking personal information is not against the rules.. Posting personal information about someone that they have not previously made public on the forum IS.) I Now please keep in mind it was bmmj that gave me that warning but it is important in the scheme of things to know the timeline...
Here is the last warning I got but the was actually the first post I made regarding this chain of events:
Message subject: Verbal Warning
From: BMMJ13
Sent: Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:13 pm
To: WoofyBear
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Subject: How is this possible?
WoofyBear wrote:
R0B3RT wrote:
when I see woffy bear account making 500 trill in 20 min nobody look on
I asked to look omega script
why admin can.t block them
are you slightly retarded? Didn't I already tell you I was pulling out naq for upgrades?? Also, I invite the admins to check my account on an hourly basis if they want for the rest of my GW career.. I have never broken any rules and never will.
(no, that was not an insult.. look carefully.. its phrased as a question)
Verbal warning for insult.
c. Abuse / Racism
Members of the SGW community are required to speak courteously to others. Personal attacks on other members are not tolerated. This includes comments about one’s sex, gender, skin color, religion, or cultural heritage. You may not post personal information about another user regardless of how it was obtained. This includes their address, phone numbers, names, or any other detail about their real life status that they have not already posted on the SGW forums themselves. For exceptions to this rule please see the role playing section (section 6).
Consequence:
Minor infringements such as throw away comments may be ignored. If not, a polite note from a moderator will be issued requesting the user to tone it down. More serious cases and repeated breaking of the rule will result in the issuing of warning points. Very serious comments will be given more warning points. This will be judged with input from the Forum Administrators and Moderators.
(note that Bmmj did not disrespect me in the subject line or even in my correspondence with him via PM even though I did get a bit heated and typed with caps (but later in the pm apoligized to him as he was unaware of the chain of events unraveling within the war thread which he does not moderate)
In my pms with BMMJ I tried to explain to him that it was a question and i pointed out that it was a question since i knew people would jump to conclusions that it was an insult. I object to that since I was just trying to prove that it WASEN'T an insult by pointing out it was a question!!! He then told me that he was going to just edit it but because I pointed out it was a question i got a warning... COME ON!!!! I try to make sure there is no misunderstanding (even though I am frustrated with the situation) and I get punished for being detailed so there is no misunderstanding!! I once again point out that ASKING A PERSONAL QUESTION (not sexual) on the forum is NOT against the rules, Posting personal information, regardless of how it was obtained, on the forum without the person you are talking about mentioning it on the boards prior to your statement IS. NO RULE WAS BROKEN BY ME IN THIS POST!
Right after I made that post in that thread, Robert goes at it again spamming the war thread and then I say something to the effect "I guess you are slightly retarded" as him repeating AGAIN the same question/spam seemed to be confirmation... This I think was the firsts warning I got and it was from Empy who "moderated" this thread before BMMJ got a chance to mod the other.. so basically I was given warnings twice for the same thing. Keep in mind my comment in the war thread was immediately after my answer to Robert in the other thread with my question to him.
This however, could be taken out of context if the reader did not know the timeline of events and read the post I had made just prior to this post in which I asked Robert the question "are you slightly retarded" (which is not against the rules to ask personal questions.. only to post personal things about someone on forum that the person had not already relieved publicly on the forum. I can understand if Empy might think that this was an insult but even after pointing out the previous post in a thread that he does not moderate, I still got the warning point rather than simply letting me know I needed to link to the other thread to make sure everyone could take it in context.. but we have already established with BMMJ that being detailed will only get you a warning!!
Empy issues yet another warning:
Message subject: Re: The War To End All Wars DDE VS OE - crap
From: Empy
Sent: Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:16 pm
To: WoofyBear
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Subject: The War To End All Wars DDE VS OE - crap
WoofyBear wrote:
R0B3RT wrote:
Jason not read forum and mail
the problem is here
maybe is on vacantion now is summer
but when is come back I think someone not talk like now
WONDERFUL!
Engrish lessons all around!
Quote:
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Note:
The Spam temple will allow some foreign language, but not much. This will be left up to the discretion of the applicable moderators. Once advised to discontinue posting in another language, the normal forum rules will be applied henceforth.
Consequence:
A polite note from a moderator will be issued requesting the user speak in English. A verbal warning will be issued for those who do not respect a person's English skills. One warning point may be issued for repeat offenders in either case (not speaking English or not respecting others English skills).
Please respect the English skills of other users. This is a verbal warning.
~Empy
once again I would like to point out the disrespectful "crap" at the end of the subject line...
Yes, I admit that this one deserved a warning but not a point, and according to the rules Empy still has to follow the "respect" rule. I was frustrated at this point that no one was stopping Robert from continuing his spam by repeating the same question again and again (breaking the spam rule) and taking about cheating/scripting that Empy had already said in a blanket warning to everyone that cheating/scripting was not to be included further in the thread and board warnings would be issued... (note Robert has done this MANY times in the DDE/OE thread and even took it to other threads and still has access to GC)
This post deserves a warning.. I should have not gotten points and certainly no banning from GC at this point from the posts that Empy "moderated". Robert has MANY off topic posts, as well as many others in DDE. I personally have gone in on different occasions in that thread and reported well over 100 posts by OE and DDE members BOTH as being o ff topic and yet the only people that seem to be getting warnings are OE members (except for JT) and the "moderator" is clearly showing favoritism in his capacity by allowing so many DDE members to continue Spamming the thread and posting things that he has deemed off topic and "point able".
Summary: I should have at most ONE point against me for my "Engrish" comment which was done out of frustration to make the mods pay attention and.. well... actually do their jobs as moderators. The warning I got from BMMJ was given to me for, i guess not asking the question but pointing out it was a question!!! So that in itself is a joke and the point/warning should be removed. The other points by Empy again should be removed as my posts were ON TOPIC and no warnings/points should be issued for those. The warning he gave me about my comment "I guess you are slightly more than retarded" to Robert could have been taken out of context but yet again, that could have been simply edited to reflect it was me thinking he had confirmed what I had asked and suspected...but in place of this simple concept of researching or even asking in a pm what I was referring to, the favoritism kicks in... warning for this...MAYBE.. point.. no...
Extra bous for those that would like to know...
Here is my convo with Jason at Friday (where yet again Robert spammed as well as a few from OE) the discussion with talk about scripts and cheating...
This was my PVT with Jason (I really hope you don't get upset about this Jason, I have already emailed you most of this per your request but felt that it was important that the community as a whole knows about the favoritism Empy is showing in his mod capacity on the forum and the extent of the paranoia and propaganda DDE is going on with accusing OE of cheating to direct attention from themselves when it is they who freely admit to you in a group convo they script!)
[00:39:51] Common channels with adminHere: #theplace
[00:39:51] <adminHere> if you have specifics you want to bring to my attention, use admin@kingdomgames.com
[00:40:09] <adminHere> include the specific bias example; which mod;
[00:40:25] <adminHere> i have a 'review' underway - but specifics always help
[00:40:26] <WoofyBear> ok, thanks, i will forward you the warnings I got and the lack of fairness empy has shown in detail
[00:40:31] <adminHere> perfect.
[00:40:34] <adminHere> thank you
[00:41:17] <WoofyBear> hey, i complain a lot, but only when there is a reason. I enjoy the game and want to see it continue.. sorry but my email to you will probably be a long one
[00:47:28] <adminHere> thats ok just include an 'executive summary' first so i understand what i then read ..puts it in context better
[00:49:42] <WoofyBear> hahah, ok... i will. sumary of it first and then the details
[00:50:19] <WoofyBear> oh, and please, if there is any way for you to check my account for script running, please do it and post on main forums to shut dde up. i have never and will never cheat!
[00:50:43] <adminHere> lol include your ID but no promises
[00:50:50] <adminHere> i have hard time proving script, so proving no script is same
[00:51:53] <WoofyBear> well, i havent EVER ran one but today tweets was searching yahoo and found some posts around the net with scripts
[00:52:08] <WoofyBear> so myabe if she forwards you those you can find a way to counter them at least
[01:02:53] <adminHere> yes i got a couple emails from her. i assume thats the script jt is accused of using / is using on dev/ whatever
[01:04:03] <WoofyBear> well, using the scripts on dev... thats good and bad.. i mean, it should be illiegal to run them anywhere in the game, but if you dont have someone trying to make them and show you how they did it, you wont be able to counter them.. its a catch 22 situation...
[01:04:18] <WoofyBear> damned if you ban them on dev, damned if you dont
[01:04:35] <adminHere> yup.
[01:05:12] <WoofyBear> i dont envy you in your position
[01:05:17] <WoofyBear> no way to please everyone...
[01:19:31] adminHere is now known as adminGone.
and here is the actual admin meeting (with the spam left in just to show that both OE and DDE were spamming and being disrespectful of the meeting... You see, I am not showing favoritism in this.. I am just posting FACTS
(please, if there are things in this that are not filtered on the forum and should be.. i am not trying to mask or cover only posting word for word what went on in the group conversation with the Admin and please feel free to edit out any and all profanity but do leave the rest of the details for you and the rest of the server to see)
[00:35:43] The topic is: Come chat with Admin: Fridays 8:30am and 3:30pm gametime. J buggered off on holiday till 3rd August.. ot our fault he slipped out the window when our back was turned
[00:35:43] Topic set by Greebo_The_Mini at Fri Jul 20 2012 05:24:26 PM.
[00:35:43] You are now talking in #theplace. Have fun!
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[00:38:31] <~adminHere> heya
[00:38:34] <Rudy> hello
[00:38:39] <WoofyBear> hello
[00:39:10] <Ducky> Evening
[00:39:16] <WoofyBear> so, is this where we complain about the mods being one sided and warning OE constantly and then dde doing the same thing and getting by with it?
[00:39:32] <~adminHere> yes that would be
[00:39:39] <~adminHere> see PM
[00:39:42] <WoofyBear> well, consider me complaining
[00:39:48] <Rudy> xD
[00:40:03] Ducky searches for the trout
[00:40:19] Ducky slaps WoofyBear around a bit with a large trout
[00:40:24] <GateCrasher730> Hi all
[00:40:27] <Ducky> there it is
[00:40:57] <~adminHere> so - from this AM - 2 items going into dev soon
[00:41:05] <~adminHere> 1) auto alliance war going to a version of bloodwar
[00:41:26] <Rudy> and how will that work?
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[00:41:52] Ducky wonders if admin build it on the dev server already
[00:41:55] <~adminHere> 2) covert level 'balancing' whereby attack/def covert levels max out at 5 difference; (either defender ups cov; or attacker has cov level 'temp set' to defender + 5 ) or some such
[00:41:57] <JediTank> yo yo
[00:42:20] <~adminHere> no not already. i spend mos tof my day so far answering 'why daddy' questions from zach (4) ... friday is a juggle
[00:42:37] <Ducky> hehe
[00:42:48] <~adminHere> but those 2 items are going dev for sure...as they're both worthwhile
[00:42:55] <~adminHere> and overall benefit to the game as a whole
[00:43:13] <Rudy> Explain how they work
[00:43:15] <~adminHere> rudy - the 'how' will be tested, but i think X number of attacks over X amount of time
[00:43:55] <WoofyBear> are you referrring to the blood war thing that JT posted?
[00:44:02] <~adminHere> there will be a 'counter' to warn the attacker where the 'doomsday alliance war clock' stands iwth other alliance (where war/war is currently will be like 95/100 to war or such)
[00:44:20] <~adminHere> woofy - or some variation. i have heard a few variations
[00:44:25] <WoofyBear> i read that a few minutes ago and was considering posting... it has merit, but has too many ways it could be exploited if setup the way he explains it
[00:44:30] <~adminHere> dev is to hammer out hte specifics
[00:44:40] <~adminHere> and exploits
[00:44:51] <~adminHere> a 'customized' ME or equal will be used too
[00:45:17] <~adminHere> i MAY consider removing all other alliance war in favor of the 'new' (auto) war.... will see how popular other wars have been
[00:45:18] <Rudy> How will it work exactly? Like say I mass someone in TA. Will Omega get an auto war with TA over that 1 mass?
[00:45:26] <~adminHere> but simplyfy instead of just add...may be good
[00:45:29] <PoDDE> let it last for a week..and no ppts, including market ppts
[00:45:33] <Rudy> Please explain how this auto alliance war will work
[00:45:40] <~adminHere> rudy - i cannot yet
[00:45:53] <Rudy> then why come out with that update?
[00:45:53] <WoofyBear> that would be a good idea.. but "taking them to the blood realm" and being untouchable would not work... also would be better if they were not allowed to exchange resources with anyone outside the blood war.... (no outside help, not even from blackmarket)
[00:45:54] <~adminHere> but yes - if its just one person that masses enough to 'trigger' it
[00:45:59] <Rudy> if you cant explain it
[00:46:24] <~adminHere> rudy - when i program i make variables
[00:46:33] <~adminHere> what hte variable is, can change in 2seconds
[00:46:41] <~adminHere> the 'system' of course must be built first
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[00:47:03] <Ducky> Admin, I'd say throw whatever it is you have in mind on the dev server and post on the main forum requesting participation for testing and feedback on use.
[00:47:10] <Rudy> I know, but if you cant explain how this auto war with alliance works. Whats the point of making it for the game? To make the players understand it before the admins do?
[00:47:27] <JediTank> the war/war with no nox and no critical in a blood realm will be unfeaseable with the free use of the various scripts available now..Im not accusing, or changing the subject..but testing on this has shown it to be unfeaseable
[00:48:00] <WoofyBear> rudy, he is trying to say it scomplicated and would take too long to type it all out... give him a little break man
[00:48:08] <JediTank> for you can set the automated functions to run until there is no uu or naq for it to run
[00:48:31] <Borek> Yeah i heard you've been testing scripts extensively
[00:48:48] <JediTank> I have been, I have been watching them as well
[00:49:21] <Rudy> So you admit to breaking the game rules
[00:49:35] <Rudy> and yet you and your
[00:49:44] <Borek> Interesting, flat out admission in an admin chat, with admin here to see
[00:49:45] <JediTank> dev sevrver bud
[00:49:46] <Rudy> "empire" accuse others of doing it
[00:49:47] <Huxley> lmao you sir cannot admit you are just not good enough, and you just admitted to cheating...
[00:49:49] <JediTank> its for testing
[00:50:06] <Huxley> Not true, evidence shows you were using it on main
[00:50:07] <Rudy> riight
[00:50:24] <JediTank> lets keep our war out of this
[00:50:34] <Rudy> You brought it up
[00:50:46] <Rudy> trying to bait us....it worked.
[00:50:55] <JediTank> I made a feaseable comment based on data collected
[00:51:08] <~adminHere> k sorry pm
[00:51:09] <Rudy> and when it works, you use it in main
[00:51:18] <JediTank> Im nt ashamed or shy to bring forth findings or good ideas
[00:51:46] <Rudy> only when its not against you or your allies
[00:52:08] <JediTank> grow up guys, not everything is about you or our allies
[00:52:35] <JediTank> its time to think outside the box and help get this game to the next level which is why I am here
[00:52:39] <~adminHere> jt if you forward the 'how' of hte script to me, i can ensure it does not work
[00:52:39] <Rudy> Nor is it about you and accusing others of cheating/scripting
[00:52:43] <JediTank>
[00:52:55] <Borek> actually nothing was about me or my allies, was just me stating you have been extensively testing scripts and you agreeing
[00:53:06] <JediTank> yea so
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[00:53:13] <JediTank> its what I do
[00:53:17] <Ducky> take it elsewhere
[00:53:19] <JediTank> Borek
[00:53:19] <Huxley> What sort of IPs would admin find if he were too look at your account JT? Italian/Romainian?
[00:53:22] <JediTank> its part of my job
[00:53:33] <WoofyBear> Rudy, JT, please, both... calm down and let admin continue
[00:53:36] <JediTank> probably 35 or more
[00:53:45] <Borek> i see, so admin actually employs you to test out how to cheat in his game?
[00:54:05] <~adminHere> i am not going to get into who used what when --here -- but i will do all i can to (across the board) ensure they do not work on sgw. more info=more likely success on that front
[00:54:13] <JediTank> back on subject , thanks
[00:54:28] <Rudy> we are on subject
[00:54:38] <Rudy> you brought it up, now we talking
[00:54:39] <Borek> personally i think some bannings would actually deter people from using them
[00:54:41] <Rudy>
[00:54:46] <~adminHere> k. what is the subject? scripts? autowar? bloodwar? covert level differentials?
[00:54:53] <Rudy> everything admin
[00:54:53] <Rudy>
[00:54:58] <GateCrasher730>
[00:55:02] <Ducky> you guys are reading into things and are reading things you wanna read ...
[00:55:10] <Rudy> How will the auto war kick in
[00:55:11] <Huxley> right back at ya
[00:55:14] <Ducky> the game admin
[00:55:15] <~adminHere> borek - picking only those 'whined about' is not a valid or sustainable way to stop cheating
[00:55:18] <JediTank> my point was simple, and feaseable for all J, with war/war and the availability of the various scripts to everyone..with no nox or crit it wont work out, so noc/crit with no phase should probably be apart of it
[00:55:25] <Borek> Oh sorry Duck, you still playing? thought you and the missus had had a hissy fit and left
[00:55:37] <Ducky> yeah ...
[00:55:38] <Huxley> lmao
[00:55:52] <Ducky> sob story ... you guys enjoying that pretty much are you
[00:55:52] <Rudy> will it kick in if i mass only 1 person...will it mean auto war for both alliances
[00:55:56] <Rudy> talk admin
[00:56:04] <~adminHere> rudy - it will be based on a combination of, or based on solely, # attacks/attack turns; damage done; # or % of alliance hitting other; # or % of alliance being hit by other
[00:56:09] Ducky slaps Borek around a bit with a large trout
[00:56:21] <Borek> well JT for a start the scripts are not available to anyone, believe it or nor a significant amount of players do not know how to cheat, nor do they want or need too
[00:56:57] <Th3-Jok3r> if someone is mass u should get more sabs at him me thinks a just sitting there with noting all u can do is repair
[00:57:10] <JediTank> if the shoe fits borek, wear it, if it doesnt then dont worry about it
[00:57:19] <Huxley> Here is some facts: JT is / has admitted to scripting. Robert very often will use JTs account (which can be quite clearly shown if you check the IPs) when JT is not around. I mean hell, look at JT hes been slapped about so many times, yet, apparently he wasn't playing? Curious
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[00:57:52] <Rudy> Hey bebs
[00:57:52] <WoofyBear> ok a bit off topic but since this is a public place, i would like to formally request that admin check my account for any cheating so peple will quit spamming about it
[00:57:58] <Rudy> I mean robert
[00:58:28] <Th3-Jok3r> admin check pm befor u run off plz
[00:58:32] Ducky wonders if we can try and keep this admin game related as admin is about to program a system on the dev where wars can be won and big dogs no longer 'easy'can kill little ones
[00:58:33] <Borek> for me the biggest problem is the ability to buy/accept endless amounts of UU and Naq, those making people who are not willing or able to spend cash unable to compete. It is one of hte main reasons people cannot "win" wars, both sides can gather endless resources to keep fighting
[00:58:52] <~adminHere> catching up
[00:59:02] <Rudy> yes, catch up.
[00:59:05] <Th3-Jok3r> kk
[01:00:07] <rob3rt>
[01:00:23] <JediTank> oh hai bebs
[01:00:28] <JediTank> i mean rob
[01:00:31] <Th3-Jok3r> jt i love u
[01:00:37] <Rudy> *wonders is boomers bro is here*
[01:00:38] <WoofyBear> the issue with big players smashing little ones can be resolved if there is a limit to the damage they can do to someone based on AS/Ascendsion lvl/ and cov lvls (sortof like raiding limits you.. )
[01:01:10] <WoofyBear> the blood war is a great idea, if executed properly
[01:01:19] <JediTank> one of my old suggestions..amazing
[01:01:33] <WoofyBear> but needs a lot of players testing it on beta long before it goes live
[01:01:51] Rudy has quit (Client exited).
[01:01:58] <WoofyBear> JT, I agree with a lot of your suggestions at least in part
[01:02:01] <Borek> maybe limit weekly raiding/trading numbers based on covert+AC levels, the higher your combo then the less UU you can get hold of per week
[01:02:04] Rudy joined the channel.
[01:02:33] <Borek> need to go back to the days where you actually care about your troops
[01:02:43] <rob3rt> TOM try log in with gandy name
[01:02:58] <Rudy> I did
[01:02:58] <rob3rt> wrong one huxley
[01:03:03] <Rudy> wouldnt work
[01:03:04] <Borek> OK, oh damn gave away i'm really Tom...doh!
[01:03:09] <Rudy> so now im using Rudys
[01:03:18] <Huxley> I like how your "daughter" suddenly stepped up forum activity when you got banned from the GC btw JT, funny that eh. Good way of covering it up by throwing posts around other sections. Back onto the topic, I'd like JT/Robert's IPs checked against logging into JT's account please
[01:03:29] <GateCrasher730> hey too many of us logged on as tom someone quit please
[01:04:10] <JediTank> she doesnt have an account hux, its time to grow up and move past your obssessive contempt for me and anyone else you share these feelings with
[01:04:25] <JediTank> because in the big picture nobody really cares about your disposition
[01:04:33] <Borek> Well i am sure you won't mind if your IP exception is removed Charles
[01:04:42] <Huxley> No obsession, just like to see a cheater taken care o
[01:04:53] <rob3rt> id=50040 need a ceck script user
[01:05:02] <rob3rt> is on now;)
[01:05:12] Rudy is now known as Deni.
[01:05:13] <JediTank> this is about improving the game for EVERYONE, not just a select few of grumpy old timers still whining about the same **Filtered** from 2007 or beyond
[01:05:26] Deni is now known as REK.
[01:05:50] <Borek> How about remove all IP exceptions as a start then
[01:06:03] <JediTank> Thats not up to you borek, if it became a game law then i either accept it or go my way
[01:06:14] REK is now known as Deathlok.
[01:06:26] <Huxley> Agreed
[01:06:34] <~adminHere> reading...more pm...
[01:06:35] <Borek> just throwing it out there as a fair way to begin to reign in cheaters
[01:06:40] <Huxley> Remove all IP exceptions
[01:06:43] <Deathlok> kinda like how you "retiring" at the end of the month dad?
[01:06:48] <Huxley> <JediTank> she doesnt have an account hux
[01:06:55] <Huxley> Explain, ingame or forum?
[01:07:19] <Huxley> Classic logging in there too
[01:07:51] <Borek> Lets see if we can go for the double, admission of multying as well as scripting
[01:08:12] <Borek> Usain Tank lmao
[01:08:44] Deathlok is now known as Duck.
[01:08:53] Ducky slaps Duck around a bit with a large trout
[01:08:56] Ducky slaps Duck around a bit with a large trout
[01:09:01] <Ducky> FAKE !!!
[01:09:08] Duck is now known as Charlie.
[01:09:15] <Ducky> ��
[01:09:16] <JediTank> its none of anyone business what my daughter does or doesnt do
[01:09:16] <rob3rt> hackshield pro can.t block the script?
[01:09:55] <Charlie> Bebs, OE will script all we want. All you can do is **Filtered** about it, nothing more.
[01:10:09] <rob3rt> i know
[01:10:14] <Huxley> Where's your evidence of this scripting guys? Come on spill the beans
[01:10:27] <Borek> did you like my Happy Birthday script rob?
[01:10:30] <rob3rt> but i like fight players not programm
[01:10:42] <rob3rt> shut up borek
[01:10:50] <rob3rt> i don.t joke now
[01:10:53] <Huxley> Your fighting players who are way out of your leauge thats your problem
[01:11:16] <rob3rt> is a big problem in game with this script
[01:11:18] Ducky wonders if he could get OP rights so he could kick some channel members
[01:11:19] Charlie is now known as TheRealTekki.
[01:11:21] <~adminHere> ok - gonna call it.
[01:11:32] <~adminHere> i got littel out of the whole 'you did not you did' ..
[01:11:35] <~adminHere> but -- i did get:
[01:11:43] <TheRealTekki>
[01:11:49] <~adminHere> 1) add script blocks / checks/ outs to dev
[01:12:07] <~adminHere> 2) nobody seemed to object to covert level 'caps' based on att/def differentials
[01:12:08] <rob3rt> thanks
[01:12:23] <TheRealTekki> you welcome
[01:12:28] <~adminHere> 3) make bloodwar / autowar not abusable. and decisive (ie who wins)
[01:12:35] TheRealTekki is now known as NotTekki.
[01:12:47] <~adminHere> and let rudy know what triggers it (sounds like not just player 1 -> mass player 2 ...)
[01:12:54] <~adminHere>
[01:12:58] <NotTekki>
[01:13:03] <rob3rt>
[01:13:03] <Borek> i'd rather you flattened off the bonus from the covert levels, so say once you get past covert 35 the 1.41 multiplier drops off each level
[01:13:04] <NotTekki> I will let him know
[01:13:05] <Huxley> Nothing on checking JT/Robert Logins?
[01:13:15] <Huxley> the IPs you will find are completely different....
[01:13:27] NotTekki is now known as JUAN.
[01:13:36] <GateCrasher730> ADMIN - how do we stop outside interference??
[01:14:06] <JUAN> que?
[01:14:22] <~adminHere> bloodwar will exclude all but hte 2 allinaces in question
[01:14:51] <GateCrasher730> so multiple allaince cannot fight with blood realm//
[01:14:52] JUAN is now known as Robe.
[01:15:00] <Borek> what about IP exceptions admin? Any reason why they cannot be removed for everyone, it is clear some have and are being massively abused
[01:15:09] <~adminHere> and email hux if you want something checked. things may not, though, be as black and white or easy to 'prove' as you may think, is my only cautino/expectation set....
[01:15:15] <~adminHere> no - just 2 in blood
[01:15:28] <WoofyBear> admin, so a blood war with two alliances will only allow those two alliances to hit eachother and no one else can hit either side? if so.. bad idea.. very abusable
[01:15:29] <GateCrasher730> can it be increased??
[01:15:55] <GateCrasher730> Empire blood realm??
[01:16:31] <JediTank> Borek the availability of proxy use will prevent that
[01:17:01] <WoofyBear> empire blood realm would be a good idea, but once again, if outsiders are not allowed to hit either side, it will be abused
[01:17:05] <Borek> it's a lot easier to check proxy use though
[01:17:52] <WoofyBear> i use a proxy some times. cant watch Hulu.com ouside the states without using a proxy
[01:18:07] <GateCrasher730> explain woofy?? is it not being abused by alliances using outside help??
[01:18:30] <rob3rt> who give to ETL 10 quadralion on ascend server ?
[01:18:40] <rob3rt> i see got reset now
[01:18:49] <WoofyBear> well, the way i see it,
[01:18:59] Robe is now known as Erik.
[01:19:01] <~adminHere> k - gonna call it now
[01:19:15] Erik is now known as Erikthedestroyer.
[01:19:22] <Th3-Jok3r> byeeeeeee
[01:19:27] <~adminHere> thanks all. good to see some fine sides taken and some good ideas
[01:19:27] <~adminHere> thanks again
[01:19:31] adminHere is now known as adminGone.
[01:19:33] <GateCrasher730> oi what bout my questions??
[01:19:39] <GateCrasher730> gone
[01:19:44] <Erikthedestroyer> and mines
[01:19:45] <Ducky> thanks for the time admin, do let us know when you got someting running on the dev server, and an extensive post with use and request for feedback would be great
[01:19:45] <rob3rt>
[01:19:59] <rob3rt> yep
[01:20:00] <Erikthedestroyer> time for OE to make a new better script
[01:20:09] <WoofyBear> if say TDD and OA go to blood war.. they call a cease fire and just sit there and do nothing.. its like perpetual PPT if they both agree not to farm ... so you could end up getting people to start up an alliance and get their friend to do the same.. they build up huge incomes and go into bloodrealm and then just sit there for six months and then when it ends, its like 6 months of PPT...
[01:20:19] <rob3rt> rudy=stupid
[01:20:21] <rob3rt>
[01:20:48] <Erikthedestroyer> your mom wasnt saying that last night as a rammed her
[01:20:50] <Erikthedestroyer>
[01:21:05] <GateCrasher730> well no attacks after xxx amount of time and blood realm ends with a cool down period of 1 week....problem solved.
[01:21:06] <rob3rt> my mom is dad
[01:21:18] <JediTank> I cant believ how you guys completely crapped up a game betterment discussion
[01:21:19] <Borek> that is why the blood realm did not go live way back when it was 1st suggested Woofy, it was clearly exploitable, we need a way to get it in the game without the loopholes and exploits
[01:21:19] <rob3rt> please don.t use his name
[01:21:30] <Erikthedestroyer> I know... as the corps is my mother and my father.
[01:21:35] <JediTank> everything is exploitable
[01:21:44] <Erikthedestroyer> Yea
[01:21:45] <GateCrasher730> who started that **Filtered** JT....you!!1
[01:21:53] <Ducky> you could have income determine in sense of activity
[01:21:54] <JediTank> what are you so scared about blood realm being exploitable for?
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[01:22:06] Erikthedestroyer is now known as JeditankMkII.
[01:22:20] <Ducky> income relating to market turn worth of prices to determine raw income
[01:22:30] <rob3rt> need to leave this chat
[01:22:32] <JeditankMkII> Yes
[01:22:42] <rob3rt> the mexican is a big stupid
[01:22:43] <Borek> I don't care, i have stiffy's old account, i could just go into a BR with some friends who make an alliance and sit there unhittable for month making 900b a turn, but actually i don't want to see that being possible
[01:22:44] <rob3rt>
[01:22:51] <JediTank> I am totally ashamed DDE was your allies for those years..and really ashamed to be participating in a war with you all..lol people just LOL
[01:22:52] <Ducky> use no turns .. no income, use lots, normal income
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[01:23:32] <WoofyBear> wow
[01:23:39] <JeditankMkII> Duck, time for you to leave with your dde friends
[01:23:51] Ducky slaps JeditankMkII around a bit with a large trout
[01:23:54] <Borek> yeah, toys left the pram, true to form
[01:24:01] Ducky slaps Borek around a bit with a large trout
[01:24:11] <WoofyBear> someone actually agrees with JTs idea, then wants to give a little criticizm on it and he freaks out and wants to know why we are scared its exploitable...
[01:24:13] <WoofyBear> wow...
[01:24:19] <Borek> quite sure he's be script massing me now if i wasn't on ppt
[01:25:01] <JeditankMkII> I will soon
[01:25:04] <JeditankMkII> just watch
[01:25:11] <JeditankMkII> Im making a script just for that
[01:25:17] <Ducky> instead of pointing out exploits, suggestion improvement goes a long way
[01:25:27] [WHOIS JeditankMkII] IP: NORAD.Chat-53E1D21E.hsd1.or.comcast.net (lightIRC.com Flash IRC Client)
[01:25:27] [WHOIS JeditankMkII] Channels: #gatewars #theplace #tradeserver
[01:25:27] [WHOIS JeditankMkII] Server: irc.gamesadvantage.com (NORAD Chat Location: West Coast, North America)
[01:25:27] [WHOIS JeditankMkII] Idle: 15 seconds, signon time: Sat Aug 11 2012 01:02:13 AM.
[01:25:46] <Borek> Banning people who admit in an admin meeting to using scripts would be nice, dont you think?
[01:25:49] <JeditankMkII> Tell that in public to your DDE buddies
[01:26:00] <JeditankMkII> I think it would be great
[01:26:14] <Ducky> Borek, your an idiot if you truly make from that sentence JT said that he uses scripts
[01:26:19] JeditankMkII is now known as Jeditank.
[01:26:57] <Borek> [01:48:40] <Borek> Yeah i heard you've been testing scripts extensively[01:48:58] <JediTank> I have been, I have been watching them as well
[01:27:06] <Huxley> Duck, your a fool for still defending that ginger-wannabe ninja
[01:27:18] <WoofyBear> ducky, he said that he used them on dev... and if you use them on one.. .its a good chance they are going to be using on the other... why use it on def if not to perfect it for main.... he admited he used it on dev....
[01:27:23] <Th3-Jok3r> lol
[01:27:55] <Huxley> Woofy he got caught using it on Main anyway
[01:28:06] <WoofyBear> im not pointing fingers here.. just pointing out what he said
[01:29:01] <Ducky> TJ said a sentense "..but testing on this "
[01:29:08] <Huxley> Remarkable how they haven't been able to give any evidence about OE's apparent scripting though....
[01:29:16] <Ducky> he been hitting gandys defense there a lot
[01:29:27] <Ducky> so you might wanna watch what you say
[01:29:43] <Borek> So we have the head of DDE admitting to testing scripts when half his empire is accusing the enemy of using them and kicking up a fuss about it
[01:29:45] <Huxley> You tool, so because gandy can repair quick he is a scripter?
[01:29:51] <Ducky> he means he been testing the bitter end of that stick
[01:30:04] <WoofyBear> ok, well, i have better things to do than listen to this **Filtered** fest continue... have fun guys...
notice that you have Jedi Tank in this conversation admitting that he develops and runs scripts on the dev server... So far, I think he is the only person confessing to cheating and I personally have never cheated and even submitted my account for review by the admin yet he and his empire members are constanly accusing people in OE of cheating trying to keep attention away from themselves.
Side bet: How long from the time of this post before one of the DDE Guys comes in here to spam this thread with rebuttals about their Leader admitting to cheating and still getting away with it? 10 naq to the closest guess.
The thread was not modded at all for about 20 or so pages. The thread got heated and was locked.. twice I think. Jedi Tank, Robert and I believe Duck Dodgers have implied I am overweight and ugly, (which I take as a personal insult) in a few posts and nothing was done.. No warnings issued, no people banned. (Details of my life and personal appearance to the degree they have stated have NOT been made public on this forum by myself and any information they may have obtained in any other way is EXPRESSLY forbidden by the rules, and I quote:
c. Abuse / Racism
Members of the SGW community are required to speak courteously to others. Personal attacks on other members are not tolerated. This includes comments about one’s sex, gender, skin color, religion, or cultural heritage. You may not post personal information about another user regardless of how it was obtained. This includes their address, phone numbers, names, or any other detail about their real life status that they have not already posted on the SGW forums themselves. For exceptions to this rule please see the role playing section (section 6).
There was no role playing done in these posts only statements and insinuations about my personal appearance which had never been posted by myself on these boards! Even though this was in the GC and there is less strictness on the behavior there due to role playing nature of that section, this was never intended as any sort of role play but comments meant to be of a hurtful and abusive nature. (yet no warnings were issued.. no people were banned)
ETL gets a warning and banned for a comment he made in MSN that one of the DDE members copied and posted on the board from a MSN converastion.. Last I checked Kingdom Games does not govern what happens on other sites or programs and if anything the person who posted the convo should have been given the warning and NOT ETL since his comment was OUTSIDE the jurisdiction of Kingdom Games and this forum. (If I agree with his comment or not, it was done outside the game and he should not be punished for something he did outside the game... thats like getting a point in the game because you ran a red light in your car...)
Empy gives a blanket warning that no further talk about cheating or people scripting is to be made in the thread after he had unlocked it.
I point out that Robert is off topic and not banned and follow with a statement that I am sorry for not being more active and will return next week.. Empy replies "crap" in the subject line after the link to the thread and gives me a warning for being off topic.
Here is the first warning I got which is on topic. The only thing that could be deemed in any way off topic is my answer to Robert's question.
Message subject: Re: The War To End All Wars DDE VS OE - crap
From: Empy
Sent: Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:10 pm
To: WoofyBear
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Subject: The War To End All Wars DDE VS OE - crap
WoofyBear wrote:
R0B3RT wrote:
10 000 quad farmed in ascend by etl
woffy 500 trill in 20 min in main
where we go
I don.t talk about etl woffy gandy script
off topic again... yet still not banned??? hmm, are the mods ignoring Empy's more strict rules for this thread???
Sorry I haven't been on to play this week but RL issues which I don't care to air here require my time. I will see about coming off vac next week for some laughs.
Forum Guidelines wrote:
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b. Replies
Replies will be considered spam if they do not contribute to the discussion of the topic, or derail the topic from the intended purpose as defined in the opening post. This may include multiple replies that contain nothing more than emoticons or small words such as ‘lol’. While it is appropriate to indicate something is amusing, drowning out a whole thread with such posts makes it hard to follow for all users.
Note:
Replying to the official post of a Moderator in a topic is spam. Discussing the action that the Moderator has taken belongs in the correct sections of the forum, or in private messages.
Please do not make off topic posts. This is a verbal warning.
~Empy
(please also note the subject of in the email.. "crap" added to it.. I take that as being disrespectful to me personally implying that my post is crap and then to add injury to insult I get a warning!)
Since Empy was nice enough to quote the rules to me... I will quote the rules to you that HE broke...
Section 9: Moderator Respect
Users are required to be respectful while addressing moderators who are acting in an official capacity. Moderators are likewise expected to be respectful to users while operating in an official capacity. Moderators will get no special treatment while posting as a user. If one party ceases to be respectful, that does NOT give the other party the liberty to respond with disrespect.
This extends to private messages and reports. If you message a staff member with demands or insults, or if you file a report with demands or insults, it will not be acceptable and may be ignored.
Consequence:
Users who are disrespectful to moderators or staff members will receive a verbal warning. Repeat offenders will receive one warning point. Issues about Moderators being disrespectful will be handled internally.
My comment here about Robert being off topic was in direct reply to his comment about scripting/cheating and meant as a flag and reminder to him and the moderators that this was considered off topic by Empy and points would be issued for this subject material. (this is a friendly equivalent of "can we get a mod to clean this thread"). I followed with a notice to everyone that I was sorry for not being active and would try to return next week. (NOT OFF TOPIC IN A WAR THREAD IN A WAR I AM PART OF!)
Robert has gone on on that thread and others accusing me and others in OE of cheating. I have explained to him repeatedly about why I had so much naq out answering his repeated question(which is obvious spam yet no warning or bann was given to him) so that he will stop posting. I see he had started a thread here viewtopic.php?p=2477814#p2477814 the same thing.. so I point out i have already answered his question many times and ask him a valid question "are you slightly retarded". If I knew that he was, I would have known how better to deal with the situation and his obvious reason for repeating the same question. I even put at the bottom of my post this was not an insult, it was a question. I get a verbal warning for this. COME ON.. I mean if you answer someone's question several times and they keep asking it, you cant help but ask if there is a reason for this... Slight, moderate, sever retardation.. OCD...whatever... and you will never know if you do not ask, and it will just serve to frustrate you so rather than deal with the frustration I ask the question... (Asking personal information is not against the rules.. Posting personal information about someone that they have not previously made public on the forum IS.) I Now please keep in mind it was bmmj that gave me that warning but it is important in the scheme of things to know the timeline...
Here is the last warning I got but the was actually the first post I made regarding this chain of events:
Message subject: Verbal Warning
From: BMMJ13
Sent: Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:13 pm
To: WoofyBear
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Subject: How is this possible?
WoofyBear wrote:
R0B3RT wrote:
when I see woffy bear account making 500 trill in 20 min nobody look on
I asked to look omega script
why admin can.t block them
are you slightly retarded? Didn't I already tell you I was pulling out naq for upgrades?? Also, I invite the admins to check my account on an hourly basis if they want for the rest of my GW career.. I have never broken any rules and never will.
(no, that was not an insult.. look carefully.. its phrased as a question)
Verbal warning for insult.
c. Abuse / Racism
Members of the SGW community are required to speak courteously to others. Personal attacks on other members are not tolerated. This includes comments about one’s sex, gender, skin color, religion, or cultural heritage. You may not post personal information about another user regardless of how it was obtained. This includes their address, phone numbers, names, or any other detail about their real life status that they have not already posted on the SGW forums themselves. For exceptions to this rule please see the role playing section (section 6).
Consequence:
Minor infringements such as throw away comments may be ignored. If not, a polite note from a moderator will be issued requesting the user to tone it down. More serious cases and repeated breaking of the rule will result in the issuing of warning points. Very serious comments will be given more warning points. This will be judged with input from the Forum Administrators and Moderators.
(note that Bmmj did not disrespect me in the subject line or even in my correspondence with him via PM even though I did get a bit heated and typed with caps (but later in the pm apoligized to him as he was unaware of the chain of events unraveling within the war thread which he does not moderate)
In my pms with BMMJ I tried to explain to him that it was a question and i pointed out that it was a question since i knew people would jump to conclusions that it was an insult. I object to that since I was just trying to prove that it WASEN'T an insult by pointing out it was a question!!! He then told me that he was going to just edit it but because I pointed out it was a question i got a warning... COME ON!!!! I try to make sure there is no misunderstanding (even though I am frustrated with the situation) and I get punished for being detailed so there is no misunderstanding!! I once again point out that ASKING A PERSONAL QUESTION (not sexual) on the forum is NOT against the rules, Posting personal information, regardless of how it was obtained, on the forum without the person you are talking about mentioning it on the boards prior to your statement IS. NO RULE WAS BROKEN BY ME IN THIS POST!
Right after I made that post in that thread, Robert goes at it again spamming the war thread and then I say something to the effect "I guess you are slightly retarded" as him repeating AGAIN the same question/spam seemed to be confirmation... This I think was the firsts warning I got and it was from Empy who "moderated" this thread before BMMJ got a chance to mod the other.. so basically I was given warnings twice for the same thing. Keep in mind my comment in the war thread was immediately after my answer to Robert in the other thread with my question to him.
This however, could be taken out of context if the reader did not know the timeline of events and read the post I had made just prior to this post in which I asked Robert the question "are you slightly retarded" (which is not against the rules to ask personal questions.. only to post personal things about someone on forum that the person had not already relieved publicly on the forum. I can understand if Empy might think that this was an insult but even after pointing out the previous post in a thread that he does not moderate, I still got the warning point rather than simply letting me know I needed to link to the other thread to make sure everyone could take it in context.. but we have already established with BMMJ that being detailed will only get you a warning!!
Empy issues yet another warning:
Message subject: Re: The War To End All Wars DDE VS OE - crap
From: Empy
Sent: Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:16 pm
To: WoofyBear
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Subject: The War To End All Wars DDE VS OE - crap
WoofyBear wrote:
R0B3RT wrote:
Jason not read forum and mail
the problem is here
maybe is on vacantion now is summer
but when is come back I think someone not talk like now
WONDERFUL!
Engrish lessons all around!
Quote:
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Note:
The Spam temple will allow some foreign language, but not much. This will be left up to the discretion of the applicable moderators. Once advised to discontinue posting in another language, the normal forum rules will be applied henceforth.
Consequence:
A polite note from a moderator will be issued requesting the user speak in English. A verbal warning will be issued for those who do not respect a person's English skills. One warning point may be issued for repeat offenders in either case (not speaking English or not respecting others English skills).
Please respect the English skills of other users. This is a verbal warning.
~Empy
once again I would like to point out the disrespectful "crap" at the end of the subject line...
Yes, I admit that this one deserved a warning but not a point, and according to the rules Empy still has to follow the "respect" rule. I was frustrated at this point that no one was stopping Robert from continuing his spam by repeating the same question again and again (breaking the spam rule) and taking about cheating/scripting that Empy had already said in a blanket warning to everyone that cheating/scripting was not to be included further in the thread and board warnings would be issued... (note Robert has done this MANY times in the DDE/OE thread and even took it to other threads and still has access to GC)
This post deserves a warning.. I should have not gotten points and certainly no banning from GC at this point from the posts that Empy "moderated". Robert has MANY off topic posts, as well as many others in DDE. I personally have gone in on different occasions in that thread and reported well over 100 posts by OE and DDE members BOTH as being o ff topic and yet the only people that seem to be getting warnings are OE members (except for JT) and the "moderator" is clearly showing favoritism in his capacity by allowing so many DDE members to continue Spamming the thread and posting things that he has deemed off topic and "point able".
Summary: I should have at most ONE point against me for my "Engrish" comment which was done out of frustration to make the mods pay attention and.. well... actually do their jobs as moderators. The warning I got from BMMJ was given to me for, i guess not asking the question but pointing out it was a question!!! So that in itself is a joke and the point/warning should be removed. The other points by Empy again should be removed as my posts were ON TOPIC and no warnings/points should be issued for those. The warning he gave me about my comment "I guess you are slightly more than retarded" to Robert could have been taken out of context but yet again, that could have been simply edited to reflect it was me thinking he had confirmed what I had asked and suspected...but in place of this simple concept of researching or even asking in a pm what I was referring to, the favoritism kicks in... warning for this...MAYBE.. point.. no...
Extra bous for those that would like to know...
Here is my convo with Jason at Friday (where yet again Robert spammed as well as a few from OE) the discussion with talk about scripts and cheating...
This was my PVT with Jason (I really hope you don't get upset about this Jason, I have already emailed you most of this per your request but felt that it was important that the community as a whole knows about the favoritism Empy is showing in his mod capacity on the forum and the extent of the paranoia and propaganda DDE is going on with accusing OE of cheating to direct attention from themselves when it is they who freely admit to you in a group convo they script!)
[00:39:51] Common channels with adminHere: #theplace
[00:39:51] <adminHere> if you have specifics you want to bring to my attention, use admin@kingdomgames.com
[00:40:09] <adminHere> include the specific bias example; which mod;
[00:40:25] <adminHere> i have a 'review' underway - but specifics always help
[00:40:26] <WoofyBear> ok, thanks, i will forward you the warnings I got and the lack of fairness empy has shown in detail
[00:40:31] <adminHere> perfect.
[00:40:34] <adminHere> thank you
[00:41:17] <WoofyBear> hey, i complain a lot, but only when there is a reason. I enjoy the game and want to see it continue.. sorry but my email to you will probably be a long one
[00:47:28] <adminHere> thats ok just include an 'executive summary' first so i understand what i then read ..puts it in context better
[00:49:42] <WoofyBear> hahah, ok... i will. sumary of it first and then the details
[00:50:19] <WoofyBear> oh, and please, if there is any way for you to check my account for script running, please do it and post on main forums to shut dde up. i have never and will never cheat!
[00:50:43] <adminHere> lol include your ID but no promises
[00:50:50] <adminHere> i have hard time proving script, so proving no script is same
[00:51:53] <WoofyBear> well, i havent EVER ran one but today tweets was searching yahoo and found some posts around the net with scripts
[00:52:08] <WoofyBear> so myabe if she forwards you those you can find a way to counter them at least
[01:02:53] <adminHere> yes i got a couple emails from her. i assume thats the script jt is accused of using / is using on dev/ whatever
[01:04:03] <WoofyBear> well, using the scripts on dev... thats good and bad.. i mean, it should be illiegal to run them anywhere in the game, but if you dont have someone trying to make them and show you how they did it, you wont be able to counter them.. its a catch 22 situation...
[01:04:18] <WoofyBear> damned if you ban them on dev, damned if you dont
[01:04:35] <adminHere> yup.
[01:05:12] <WoofyBear> i dont envy you in your position
[01:05:17] <WoofyBear> no way to please everyone...
[01:19:31] adminHere is now known as adminGone.
and here is the actual admin meeting (with the spam left in just to show that both OE and DDE were spamming and being disrespectful of the meeting... You see, I am not showing favoritism in this.. I am just posting FACTS
(please, if there are things in this that are not filtered on the forum and should be.. i am not trying to mask or cover only posting word for word what went on in the group conversation with the Admin and please feel free to edit out any and all profanity but do leave the rest of the details for you and the rest of the server to see)
[00:35:43] The topic is: Come chat with Admin: Fridays 8:30am and 3:30pm gametime. J buggered off on holiday till 3rd August.. ot our fault he slipped out the window when our back was turned
[00:35:43] Topic set by Greebo_The_Mini at Fri Jul 20 2012 05:24:26 PM.
[00:35:43] You are now talking in #theplace. Have fun!
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[00:35:43] Channel was created at Fri May 6 2011 05:00:50 PM
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[00:38:31] <~adminHere> heya
[00:38:34] <Rudy> hello
[00:38:39] <WoofyBear> hello
[00:39:10] <Ducky> Evening
[00:39:16] <WoofyBear> so, is this where we complain about the mods being one sided and warning OE constantly and then dde doing the same thing and getting by with it?
[00:39:32] <~adminHere> yes that would be
[00:39:39] <~adminHere> see PM
[00:39:42] <WoofyBear> well, consider me complaining
[00:39:48] <Rudy> xD
[00:40:03] Ducky searches for the trout
[00:40:19] Ducky slaps WoofyBear around a bit with a large trout
[00:40:24] <GateCrasher730> Hi all
[00:40:27] <Ducky> there it is
[00:40:57] <~adminHere> so - from this AM - 2 items going into dev soon
[00:41:05] <~adminHere> 1) auto alliance war going to a version of bloodwar
[00:41:26] <Rudy> and how will that work?
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[00:41:52] Ducky wonders if admin build it on the dev server already
[00:41:55] <~adminHere> 2) covert level 'balancing' whereby attack/def covert levels max out at 5 difference; (either defender ups cov; or attacker has cov level 'temp set' to defender + 5 ) or some such
[00:41:57] <JediTank> yo yo
[00:42:20] <~adminHere> no not already. i spend mos tof my day so far answering 'why daddy' questions from zach (4) ... friday is a juggle
[00:42:37] <Ducky> hehe
[00:42:48] <~adminHere> but those 2 items are going dev for sure...as they're both worthwhile
[00:42:55] <~adminHere> and overall benefit to the game as a whole
[00:43:13] <Rudy> Explain how they work
[00:43:15] <~adminHere> rudy - the 'how' will be tested, but i think X number of attacks over X amount of time
[00:43:55] <WoofyBear> are you referrring to the blood war thing that JT posted?
[00:44:02] <~adminHere> there will be a 'counter' to warn the attacker where the 'doomsday alliance war clock' stands iwth other alliance (where war/war is currently will be like 95/100 to war or such)
[00:44:20] <~adminHere> woofy - or some variation. i have heard a few variations
[00:44:25] <WoofyBear> i read that a few minutes ago and was considering posting... it has merit, but has too many ways it could be exploited if setup the way he explains it
[00:44:30] <~adminHere> dev is to hammer out hte specifics
[00:44:40] <~adminHere> and exploits
[00:44:51] <~adminHere> a 'customized' ME or equal will be used too
[00:45:17] <~adminHere> i MAY consider removing all other alliance war in favor of the 'new' (auto) war.... will see how popular other wars have been
[00:45:18] <Rudy> How will it work exactly? Like say I mass someone in TA. Will Omega get an auto war with TA over that 1 mass?
[00:45:26] <~adminHere> but simplyfy instead of just add...may be good
[00:45:29] <PoDDE> let it last for a week..and no ppts, including market ppts
[00:45:33] <Rudy> Please explain how this auto alliance war will work
[00:45:40] <~adminHere> rudy - i cannot yet
[00:45:53] <Rudy> then why come out with that update?
[00:45:53] <WoofyBear> that would be a good idea.. but "taking them to the blood realm" and being untouchable would not work... also would be better if they were not allowed to exchange resources with anyone outside the blood war.... (no outside help, not even from blackmarket)
[00:45:54] <~adminHere> but yes - if its just one person that masses enough to 'trigger' it
[00:45:59] <Rudy> if you cant explain it
[00:46:24] <~adminHere> rudy - when i program i make variables
[00:46:33] <~adminHere> what hte variable is, can change in 2seconds
[00:46:41] <~adminHere> the 'system' of course must be built first
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[00:47:03] <Ducky> Admin, I'd say throw whatever it is you have in mind on the dev server and post on the main forum requesting participation for testing and feedback on use.
[00:47:10] <Rudy> I know, but if you cant explain how this auto war with alliance works. Whats the point of making it for the game? To make the players understand it before the admins do?
[00:47:27] <JediTank> the war/war with no nox and no critical in a blood realm will be unfeaseable with the free use of the various scripts available now..Im not accusing, or changing the subject..but testing on this has shown it to be unfeaseable
[00:48:00] <WoofyBear> rudy, he is trying to say it scomplicated and would take too long to type it all out... give him a little break man
[00:48:08] <JediTank> for you can set the automated functions to run until there is no uu or naq for it to run
[00:48:31] <Borek> Yeah i heard you've been testing scripts extensively
[00:48:48] <JediTank> I have been, I have been watching them as well
[00:49:21] <Rudy> So you admit to breaking the game rules
[00:49:35] <Rudy> and yet you and your
[00:49:44] <Borek> Interesting, flat out admission in an admin chat, with admin here to see
[00:49:45] <JediTank> dev sevrver bud
[00:49:46] <Rudy> "empire" accuse others of doing it
[00:49:47] <Huxley> lmao you sir cannot admit you are just not good enough, and you just admitted to cheating...
[00:49:49] <JediTank> its for testing
[00:50:06] <Huxley> Not true, evidence shows you were using it on main
[00:50:07] <Rudy> riight
[00:50:24] <JediTank> lets keep our war out of this
[00:50:34] <Rudy> You brought it up
[00:50:46] <Rudy> trying to bait us....it worked.
[00:50:55] <JediTank> I made a feaseable comment based on data collected
[00:51:08] <~adminHere> k sorry pm
[00:51:09] <Rudy> and when it works, you use it in main
[00:51:18] <JediTank> Im nt ashamed or shy to bring forth findings or good ideas
[00:51:46] <Rudy> only when its not against you or your allies
[00:52:08] <JediTank> grow up guys, not everything is about you or our allies
[00:52:35] <JediTank> its time to think outside the box and help get this game to the next level which is why I am here
[00:52:39] <~adminHere> jt if you forward the 'how' of hte script to me, i can ensure it does not work
[00:52:39] <Rudy> Nor is it about you and accusing others of cheating/scripting
[00:52:43] <JediTank>
[00:52:55] <Borek> actually nothing was about me or my allies, was just me stating you have been extensively testing scripts and you agreeing
[00:53:06] <JediTank> yea so
[00:53:07] Ducky slaps Rudy, Huxley, Borek around a bit with a large trout
[00:53:13] <JediTank> its what I do
[00:53:17] <Ducky> take it elsewhere
[00:53:19] <JediTank> Borek
[00:53:19] <Huxley> What sort of IPs would admin find if he were too look at your account JT? Italian/Romainian?
[00:53:22] <JediTank> its part of my job
[00:53:33] <WoofyBear> Rudy, JT, please, both... calm down and let admin continue
[00:53:36] <JediTank> probably 35 or more
[00:53:45] <Borek> i see, so admin actually employs you to test out how to cheat in his game?
[00:54:05] <~adminHere> i am not going to get into who used what when --here -- but i will do all i can to (across the board) ensure they do not work on sgw. more info=more likely success on that front
[00:54:13] <JediTank> back on subject , thanks
[00:54:28] <Rudy> we are on subject
[00:54:38] <Rudy> you brought it up, now we talking
[00:54:39] <Borek> personally i think some bannings would actually deter people from using them
[00:54:41] <Rudy>
[00:54:46] <~adminHere> k. what is the subject? scripts? autowar? bloodwar? covert level differentials?
[00:54:53] <Rudy> everything admin
[00:54:53] <Rudy>
[00:54:58] <GateCrasher730>
[00:55:02] <Ducky> you guys are reading into things and are reading things you wanna read ...
[00:55:10] <Rudy> How will the auto war kick in
[00:55:11] <Huxley> right back at ya
[00:55:14] <Ducky> the game admin
[00:55:15] <~adminHere> borek - picking only those 'whined about' is not a valid or sustainable way to stop cheating
[00:55:18] <JediTank> my point was simple, and feaseable for all J, with war/war and the availability of the various scripts to everyone..with no nox or crit it wont work out, so noc/crit with no phase should probably be apart of it
[00:55:25] <Borek> Oh sorry Duck, you still playing? thought you and the missus had had a hissy fit and left
[00:55:37] <Ducky> yeah ...
[00:55:38] <Huxley> lmao
[00:55:52] <Ducky> sob story ... you guys enjoying that pretty much are you
[00:55:52] <Rudy> will it kick in if i mass only 1 person...will it mean auto war for both alliances
[00:55:56] <Rudy> talk admin
[00:56:04] <~adminHere> rudy - it will be based on a combination of, or based on solely, # attacks/attack turns; damage done; # or % of alliance hitting other; # or % of alliance being hit by other
[00:56:09] Ducky slaps Borek around a bit with a large trout
[00:56:21] <Borek> well JT for a start the scripts are not available to anyone, believe it or nor a significant amount of players do not know how to cheat, nor do they want or need too
[00:56:57] <Th3-Jok3r> if someone is mass u should get more sabs at him me thinks a just sitting there with noting all u can do is repair
[00:57:10] <JediTank> if the shoe fits borek, wear it, if it doesnt then dont worry about it
[00:57:19] <Huxley> Here is some facts: JT is / has admitted to scripting. Robert very often will use JTs account (which can be quite clearly shown if you check the IPs) when JT is not around. I mean hell, look at JT hes been slapped about so many times, yet, apparently he wasn't playing? Curious
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[00:57:52] <Rudy> Hey bebs
[00:57:52] <WoofyBear> ok a bit off topic but since this is a public place, i would like to formally request that admin check my account for any cheating so peple will quit spamming about it
[00:57:58] <Rudy> I mean robert
[00:58:28] <Th3-Jok3r> admin check pm befor u run off plz
[00:58:32] Ducky wonders if we can try and keep this admin game related as admin is about to program a system on the dev where wars can be won and big dogs no longer 'easy'can kill little ones
[00:58:33] <Borek> for me the biggest problem is the ability to buy/accept endless amounts of UU and Naq, those making people who are not willing or able to spend cash unable to compete. It is one of hte main reasons people cannot "win" wars, both sides can gather endless resources to keep fighting
[00:58:52] <~adminHere> catching up
[00:59:02] <Rudy> yes, catch up.
[00:59:05] <Th3-Jok3r> kk
[01:00:07] <rob3rt>
[01:00:23] <JediTank> oh hai bebs
[01:00:28] <JediTank> i mean rob
[01:00:31] <Th3-Jok3r> jt i love u
[01:00:37] <Rudy> *wonders is boomers bro is here*
[01:00:38] <WoofyBear> the issue with big players smashing little ones can be resolved if there is a limit to the damage they can do to someone based on AS/Ascendsion lvl/ and cov lvls (sortof like raiding limits you.. )
[01:01:10] <WoofyBear> the blood war is a great idea, if executed properly
[01:01:19] <JediTank> one of my old suggestions..amazing
[01:01:33] <WoofyBear> but needs a lot of players testing it on beta long before it goes live
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[01:01:58] <WoofyBear> JT, I agree with a lot of your suggestions at least in part
[01:02:01] <Borek> maybe limit weekly raiding/trading numbers based on covert+AC levels, the higher your combo then the less UU you can get hold of per week
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[01:02:33] <Borek> need to go back to the days where you actually care about your troops
[01:02:43] <rob3rt> TOM try log in with gandy name
[01:02:58] <Rudy> I did
[01:02:58] <rob3rt> wrong one huxley
[01:03:03] <Rudy> wouldnt work
[01:03:04] <Borek> OK, oh damn gave away i'm really Tom...doh!
[01:03:09] <Rudy> so now im using Rudys
[01:03:18] <Huxley> I like how your "daughter" suddenly stepped up forum activity when you got banned from the GC btw JT, funny that eh. Good way of covering it up by throwing posts around other sections. Back onto the topic, I'd like JT/Robert's IPs checked against logging into JT's account please
[01:03:29] <GateCrasher730> hey too many of us logged on as tom someone quit please
[01:04:10] <JediTank> she doesnt have an account hux, its time to grow up and move past your obssessive contempt for me and anyone else you share these feelings with
[01:04:25] <JediTank> because in the big picture nobody really cares about your disposition
[01:04:33] <Borek> Well i am sure you won't mind if your IP exception is removed Charles
[01:04:42] <Huxley> No obsession, just like to see a cheater taken care o
[01:04:53] <rob3rt> id=50040 need a ceck script user
[01:05:02] <rob3rt> is on now;)
[01:05:12] Rudy is now known as Deni.
[01:05:13] <JediTank> this is about improving the game for EVERYONE, not just a select few of grumpy old timers still whining about the same **Filtered** from 2007 or beyond
[01:05:26] Deni is now known as REK.
[01:05:50] <Borek> How about remove all IP exceptions as a start then
[01:06:03] <JediTank> Thats not up to you borek, if it became a game law then i either accept it or go my way
[01:06:14] REK is now known as Deathlok.
[01:06:26] <Huxley> Agreed
[01:06:34] <~adminHere> reading...more pm...
[01:06:35] <Borek> just throwing it out there as a fair way to begin to reign in cheaters
[01:06:40] <Huxley> Remove all IP exceptions
[01:06:43] <Deathlok> kinda like how you "retiring" at the end of the month dad?
[01:06:48] <Huxley> <JediTank> she doesnt have an account hux
[01:06:55] <Huxley> Explain, ingame or forum?
[01:07:19] <Huxley> Classic logging in there too
[01:07:51] <Borek> Lets see if we can go for the double, admission of multying as well as scripting
[01:08:12] <Borek> Usain Tank lmao
[01:08:44] Deathlok is now known as Duck.
[01:08:53] Ducky slaps Duck around a bit with a large trout
[01:08:56] Ducky slaps Duck around a bit with a large trout
[01:09:01] <Ducky> FAKE !!!
[01:09:08] Duck is now known as Charlie.
[01:09:15] <Ducky> ��
[01:09:16] <JediTank> its none of anyone business what my daughter does or doesnt do
[01:09:16] <rob3rt> hackshield pro can.t block the script?
[01:09:55] <Charlie> Bebs, OE will script all we want. All you can do is **Filtered** about it, nothing more.
[01:10:09] <rob3rt> i know
[01:10:14] <Huxley> Where's your evidence of this scripting guys? Come on spill the beans
[01:10:27] <Borek> did you like my Happy Birthday script rob?
[01:10:30] <rob3rt> but i like fight players not programm
[01:10:42] <rob3rt> shut up borek
[01:10:50] <rob3rt> i don.t joke now
[01:10:53] <Huxley> Your fighting players who are way out of your leauge thats your problem
[01:11:16] <rob3rt> is a big problem in game with this script
[01:11:18] Ducky wonders if he could get OP rights so he could kick some channel members
[01:11:19] Charlie is now known as TheRealTekki.
[01:11:21] <~adminHere> ok - gonna call it.
[01:11:32] <~adminHere> i got littel out of the whole 'you did not you did' ..
[01:11:35] <~adminHere> but -- i did get:
[01:11:43] <TheRealTekki>
[01:11:49] <~adminHere> 1) add script blocks / checks/ outs to dev
[01:12:07] <~adminHere> 2) nobody seemed to object to covert level 'caps' based on att/def differentials
[01:12:08] <rob3rt> thanks
[01:12:23] <TheRealTekki> you welcome
[01:12:28] <~adminHere> 3) make bloodwar / autowar not abusable. and decisive (ie who wins)
[01:12:35] TheRealTekki is now known as NotTekki.
[01:12:47] <~adminHere> and let rudy know what triggers it (sounds like not just player 1 -> mass player 2 ...)
[01:12:54] <~adminHere>
[01:12:58] <NotTekki>
[01:13:03] <rob3rt>
[01:13:03] <Borek> i'd rather you flattened off the bonus from the covert levels, so say once you get past covert 35 the 1.41 multiplier drops off each level
[01:13:04] <NotTekki> I will let him know
[01:13:05] <Huxley> Nothing on checking JT/Robert Logins?
[01:13:15] <Huxley> the IPs you will find are completely different....
[01:13:27] NotTekki is now known as JUAN.
[01:13:36] <GateCrasher730> ADMIN - how do we stop outside interference??
[01:14:06] <JUAN> que?
[01:14:22] <~adminHere> bloodwar will exclude all but hte 2 allinaces in question
[01:14:51] <GateCrasher730> so multiple allaince cannot fight with blood realm//
[01:14:52] JUAN is now known as Robe.
[01:15:00] <Borek> what about IP exceptions admin? Any reason why they cannot be removed for everyone, it is clear some have and are being massively abused
[01:15:09] <~adminHere> and email hux if you want something checked. things may not, though, be as black and white or easy to 'prove' as you may think, is my only cautino/expectation set....
[01:15:15] <~adminHere> no - just 2 in blood
[01:15:28] <WoofyBear> admin, so a blood war with two alliances will only allow those two alliances to hit eachother and no one else can hit either side? if so.. bad idea.. very abusable
[01:15:29] <GateCrasher730> can it be increased??
[01:15:55] <GateCrasher730> Empire blood realm??
[01:16:31] <JediTank> Borek the availability of proxy use will prevent that
[01:17:01] <WoofyBear> empire blood realm would be a good idea, but once again, if outsiders are not allowed to hit either side, it will be abused
[01:17:05] <Borek> it's a lot easier to check proxy use though
[01:17:52] <WoofyBear> i use a proxy some times. cant watch Hulu.com ouside the states without using a proxy
[01:18:07] <GateCrasher730> explain woofy?? is it not being abused by alliances using outside help??
[01:18:30] <rob3rt> who give to ETL 10 quadralion on ascend server ?
[01:18:40] <rob3rt> i see got reset now
[01:18:49] <WoofyBear> well, the way i see it,
[01:18:59] Robe is now known as Erik.
[01:19:01] <~adminHere> k - gonna call it now
[01:19:15] Erik is now known as Erikthedestroyer.
[01:19:22] <Th3-Jok3r> byeeeeeee
[01:19:27] <~adminHere> thanks all. good to see some fine sides taken and some good ideas
[01:19:27] <~adminHere> thanks again
[01:19:31] adminHere is now known as adminGone.
[01:19:33] <GateCrasher730> oi what bout my questions??
[01:19:39] <GateCrasher730> gone
[01:19:44] <Erikthedestroyer> and mines
[01:19:45] <Ducky> thanks for the time admin, do let us know when you got someting running on the dev server, and an extensive post with use and request for feedback would be great
[01:19:45] <rob3rt>
[01:19:59] <rob3rt> yep
[01:20:00] <Erikthedestroyer> time for OE to make a new better script
[01:20:09] <WoofyBear> if say TDD and OA go to blood war.. they call a cease fire and just sit there and do nothing.. its like perpetual PPT if they both agree not to farm ... so you could end up getting people to start up an alliance and get their friend to do the same.. they build up huge incomes and go into bloodrealm and then just sit there for six months and then when it ends, its like 6 months of PPT...
[01:20:19] <rob3rt> rudy=stupid
[01:20:21] <rob3rt>
[01:20:48] <Erikthedestroyer> your mom wasnt saying that last night as a rammed her
[01:20:50] <Erikthedestroyer>
[01:21:05] <GateCrasher730> well no attacks after xxx amount of time and blood realm ends with a cool down period of 1 week....problem solved.
[01:21:06] <rob3rt> my mom is dad
[01:21:18] <JediTank> I cant believ how you guys completely crapped up a game betterment discussion
[01:21:19] <Borek> that is why the blood realm did not go live way back when it was 1st suggested Woofy, it was clearly exploitable, we need a way to get it in the game without the loopholes and exploits
[01:21:19] <rob3rt> please don.t use his name
[01:21:30] <Erikthedestroyer> I know... as the corps is my mother and my father.
[01:21:35] <JediTank> everything is exploitable
[01:21:44] <Erikthedestroyer> Yea
[01:21:45] <GateCrasher730> who started that **Filtered** JT....you!!1
[01:21:53] <Ducky> you could have income determine in sense of activity
[01:21:54] <JediTank> what are you so scared about blood realm being exploitable for?
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[01:22:20] <Ducky> income relating to market turn worth of prices to determine raw income
[01:22:30] <rob3rt> need to leave this chat
[01:22:32] <JeditankMkII> Yes
[01:22:42] <rob3rt> the mexican is a big stupid
[01:22:43] <Borek> I don't care, i have stiffy's old account, i could just go into a BR with some friends who make an alliance and sit there unhittable for month making 900b a turn, but actually i don't want to see that being possible
[01:22:44] <rob3rt>
[01:22:51] <JediTank> I am totally ashamed DDE was your allies for those years..and really ashamed to be participating in a war with you all..lol people just LOL
[01:22:52] <Ducky> use no turns .. no income, use lots, normal income
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[01:23:32] <WoofyBear> wow
[01:23:39] <JeditankMkII> Duck, time for you to leave with your dde friends
[01:23:51] Ducky slaps JeditankMkII around a bit with a large trout
[01:23:54] <Borek> yeah, toys left the pram, true to form
[01:24:01] Ducky slaps Borek around a bit with a large trout
[01:24:11] <WoofyBear> someone actually agrees with JTs idea, then wants to give a little criticizm on it and he freaks out and wants to know why we are scared its exploitable...
[01:24:13] <WoofyBear> wow...
[01:24:19] <Borek> quite sure he's be script massing me now if i wasn't on ppt
[01:25:01] <JeditankMkII> I will soon
[01:25:04] <JeditankMkII> just watch
[01:25:11] <JeditankMkII> Im making a script just for that
[01:25:17] <Ducky> instead of pointing out exploits, suggestion improvement goes a long way
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[01:25:46] <Borek> Banning people who admit in an admin meeting to using scripts would be nice, dont you think?
[01:25:49] <JeditankMkII> Tell that in public to your DDE buddies
[01:26:00] <JeditankMkII> I think it would be great
[01:26:14] <Ducky> Borek, your an idiot if you truly make from that sentence JT said that he uses scripts
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[01:26:57] <Borek> [01:48:40] <Borek> Yeah i heard you've been testing scripts extensively[01:48:58] <JediTank> I have been, I have been watching them as well
[01:27:06] <Huxley> Duck, your a fool for still defending that ginger-wannabe ninja
[01:27:18] <WoofyBear> ducky, he said that he used them on dev... and if you use them on one.. .its a good chance they are going to be using on the other... why use it on def if not to perfect it for main.... he admited he used it on dev....
[01:27:23] <Th3-Jok3r> lol
[01:27:55] <Huxley> Woofy he got caught using it on Main anyway
[01:28:06] <WoofyBear> im not pointing fingers here.. just pointing out what he said
[01:29:01] <Ducky> TJ said a sentense "..but testing on this "
[01:29:08] <Huxley> Remarkable how they haven't been able to give any evidence about OE's apparent scripting though....
[01:29:16] <Ducky> he been hitting gandys defense there a lot
[01:29:27] <Ducky> so you might wanna watch what you say
[01:29:43] <Borek> So we have the head of DDE admitting to testing scripts when half his empire is accusing the enemy of using them and kicking up a fuss about it
[01:29:45] <Huxley> You tool, so because gandy can repair quick he is a scripter?
[01:29:51] <Ducky> he means he been testing the bitter end of that stick
[01:30:04] <WoofyBear> ok, well, i have better things to do than listen to this **Filtered** fest continue... have fun guys...
notice that you have Jedi Tank in this conversation admitting that he develops and runs scripts on the dev server... So far, I think he is the only person confessing to cheating and I personally have never cheated and even submitted my account for review by the admin yet he and his empire members are constanly accusing people in OE of cheating trying to keep attention away from themselves.
Side bet: How long from the time of this post before one of the DDE Guys comes in here to spam this thread with rebuttals about their Leader admitting to cheating and still getting away with it? 10 naq to the closest guess.