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Covert Level Effective Max on Offense

When you are sending spies out, your covert level is only ever effectively 4 levels above your enemies.

Beyond this and your advancements are irrelevant. An EMP is useless against a rifle. But very effective against GPS targetting. As analogy.

While at home, full levels can be utilitzed (home turf advantage).

This change was put in place to stop 100% reliance on covert levels/actions, making number of agents/spies at least partially relevent. Keep in mind that 4 levels difference makes the higher level's spies more than OOPS times more powerful than the lower level's units. !!!update!!! its -- its 4x (doubles each 2 levels) difference with 4 levels difference, in avg, per spy, power.

so .... going 5 levels diff, for about (not exactly) a 6x difference....

Excellent. Glad to see this idea put into an update.. this will definitely make wars between less-advanced players and more advanced players more of an option.

(Also looking forward to the feedback on this, we thought of a bunch of negative things, countered all of them, but who knows what people come up with.)

A very important update.

Thank you admin!

Best regards,
KJ

Great implementation

excellent idea admin.. we needed that update..

Keep in mind that a covert level 41 still provides a MASSIVE defence against attackers..

Great move to help the smaller ones. 10/10

it should be 3 levels below people cant sab you eg 41 to 38

CCexyDCapedCrusader wrote:it should be 3 levels below people cant sab you eg 41 to 38

It is practically like that already. As far as i got it if you keep 40mill spies at lvl 41, someone will need 250x 40 = 10bill spies to get the same result at lvl 37.
Wich will make it pretty impossible to sab if you keep a healthy number of spies yourself.

CCexyDCapedCrusader wrote:it should be 3 levels below people cant sab you eg 41 to 38

Why 3?

I am feeling all ignorant now. I thought that it was ultimately a comparison of covert actions, and that covert action went up by sqrt of 2 for each covert level. Consequently, level 41 would be 4 times the covert as 37, and nothing in the formula that is currently in the help&rules for main changes this.

What am i missing that leads to a 250:1 power differential for spies?

Freestyle304 wrote:I am feeling all ignorant now. I thought that it was ultimately a comparison of covert actions, and that covert action went up by sqrt of 2 for each covert level. Consequently, level 41 would be 4 times the covert as 37, and nothing in the formula that is currently in the help&rules for main changes this.

What am i missing that leads to a 250:1 power differential for spies?

Power per spy vs. power total.

Freestyle304 wrote:I am feeling all ignorant now. I thought that it was ultimately a comparison of covert actions, and that covert action went up by sqrt of 2 for each covert level. Consequently, level 41 would be 4 times the covert as 37, and nothing in the formula that is currently in the help&rules for main changes this.

What am i missing that leads to a 250:1 power differential for spies?

That's my understanding..

Then again we sometimes just play the game.

Defender power 100,000,000,000,000
lvl 37 spies needed 58,813,000 (1 as few as 37)
lvl 38 spies needed 41,587,100 ((2^.5) as few as 37)
lvl 39 spies needed 29,406,500 (2 as few as 37)
lvl 40 spies needed 20,793,600 (2*(2^.5) as few as 37)
lvl 41 spies needed 14,703,300 ( 4 times as few as 37)

That's the math... now total power well who knows

Like this change also. Would help slow the bullying those so far below you.

Just a musing.

Whilst I get the theory of putting some form of scale on sabbing, is the unintended by-product going to be a complete discouragement of going for covert levels beyond a certain point?

For the purposes of this discussion I will designate level 37 the mean covert level.

Thus people who achieved levels much higher, say 41, will retain the benefit of their higher level; whilst those that did not wont see a decent incentive (cost vs benefit ratio) in investing that much naq simply to combat a small group of players.

Wont this create the unfortunate situation of a group of accounts who can no longer really be sabbed effectively that will be perpetuated by removing the broader benefit of trying to match them?