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Forum wrote:what calcs exactly? bloodwar?
the 'splanations' are still current...pretty sure...

well put a page for calcs, for sabing , or striking with combos of crit and blood war.
this will help many players who are not in touch with game mechs.

but still i dont understand why you have complicated this game so much?????

if i might suggest ya...
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So DDE and FS started and ended the first bloodwar to my knowledge, althou a nice feature its heavily bugged:

1.
* You can not receive goods from other players outside of your own alliance.
* The market broker (as a reminder) requires same location as your trade partner. Bloodrealm is NOT anywhere...therefore not the same as existing trade partners outside your own alliance.

First thing I noticed, we we're unable to trade within out alliance, in fact there was no "To the Private Trade Broker" button, sending direct also didn't work.

2.
* You can not hit, spy, sab, etc -anyone except your own alliance, and that of your enemy.

We were only able to hit our enemy not our own alliance.

3.
The winner of the bloodwar is the alliance who kills the most of the other alliances' units (raided units count as kills too). Straight up and simple.
Past battles can be seen via the link: 'Chronicles of Galactic Alliance Wars' on the base page.

Kills doesn't show, all that is posted in CoGAW is:
Event Time Started Time Ended Alliance Orig Enemy Pop Kill Count Other Alliance Orig Enemy Pop Kill Count Winner (More Kills) Naq Won Comment

27-17912-1354988996 Dec 08, 13:49 Dec 09, 13:49 THE DARK DOMINIUM™ (37) 2,311,033,772 0 Forgotten Serenity™ (10) 527,922,069 0 THE DARK DOMINIUM™ (37) 27,893,765,536,843 BLOODBATH! Flawless Victory!

4.
WARNING! --if the war was not bloody enough (not enough attacks; not enough deaths...say 10% of enemy population (except lifers/miners) at start of war, dead by end) -- the offending alliance(s) contract a BLOOD CURSE for 5 days following the war. This halves all stats, including income and UP. And a few other hidden nasties. Leave it to say, that the blood realm is not meant for vacationing....

Both alliances have bloodcurse, I'm not sure on FS, but DDE definetly killed over 10% in fact close to 100% of killable units on our enemy (I got cov reports if that helps you).

5.
10% of alliance bank is taken as ante, which is given to the winning alliance.

As far as I know DDE won the bloodwar, but didn't not receive the naq for the alliance bank.

6.
WARNING! --if the war was not bloody enough (not enough attacks; not enough deaths...say 10% of enemy population (except lifers/miners) at start of war, dead by end) -- the offending alliance(s) contract a BLOOD CURSE for 5 days following the war. This halves all stats, including income and UP. And a few other hidden nasties. Leave it to say, that the blood realm is not meant for vacationing....

Bloodcurse works just fine, expect income didn't get cutted.

Suggestions:
The war was only fought in the first 15mins I believe, once one side had no more UU, we had to sit in this realm doing nothing, so might want to change something on this part; ie. perhaps untraining miners later on, so there is the element of suprize? Still no training of them, thats a nice twist .
The 4h wait period is IMO too short, maybe prolongue that a bit? People do sleep, work and have lifes.
The price of bloowars is high, so think you should do something on the reward part for the winner. For example, how about that the winner also gets 10-15% of enemys UU killed while in bloodwar but in naq value thru the ingame rates awarder to the alliance leader(who in most cases will distribute it to his fighters). Can it be done for each alliance member so you get a % of what u killed as a small reward?

Thats off the top of my head, I'm pretty sure I forgot some things.

Sol wrote:

Lord Yojimbo wrote:

Lithium wrote:with all these complications added to the game i suspect any who is returning or starting new would make it
wondering why admin doesnt add a page of calcs lol

That is a class idea

The help guide needs to be updated before this , it could include some calcs though.

^ThIs

thank you ... great post.
there were 2 major bugs, since fixed.
1) the deaths were not recorded during the war (forgot to port the db fields to live...)
2) the 'to/from' were reversed when starting the war (not sure how this passed testing...)
Fixing this solves issues 3,4,5,6 (winner random since no kills; bloodcurse since 0 is <10%; etc)

# 1 fixed (direct give only; rules updated)
# 2 fixed (changed to enemy only in rules)

So all fixed. Will look at a 6hour lead time? or 8?
Also - first to kill 100% ends war might work (can go over 100% as UP adds more units)
I do not want to allow untrain miner as that skews the population you must kill to get to the 10% and/or to win...

The counts do only factor NON-miner units... that part worked

anyway - bugs should all be done... and good feedback. thanks agian.

Scar Face wrote:So DDE and FS started and ended the first bloodwar to my knowledge, althou a nice feature its heavily bugged:

1.
* You can not receive goods from other players outside of your own alliance.
* The market broker (as a reminder) requires same location as your trade partner. Bloodrealm is NOT anywhere...therefore not the same as existing trade partners outside your own alliance.

First thing I noticed, we we're unable to trade within out alliance, in fact there was no "To the Private Trade Broker" button, sending direct also didn't work.

2.
* You can not hit, spy, sab, etc -anyone except your own alliance, and that of your enemy.

We were only able to hit our enemy not our own alliance.

3.
The winner of the bloodwar is the alliance who kills the most of the other alliances' units (raided units count as kills too). Straight up and simple.
Past battles can be seen via the link: 'Chronicles of Galactic Alliance Wars' on the base page.

Kills doesn't show, all that is posted in CoGAW is:
Event Time Started Time Ended Alliance Orig Enemy Pop Kill Count Other Alliance Orig Enemy Pop Kill Count Winner (More Kills) Naq Won Comment

27-17912-1354988996 Dec 08, 13:49 Dec 09, 13:49 THE DARK DOMINIUM™ (37) 2,311,033,772 0 Forgotten Serenity™ (10) 527,922,069 0 THE DARK DOMINIUM™ (37) 27,893,765,536,843 BLOODBATH! Flawless Victory!

4.
WARNING! --if the war was not bloody enough (not enough attacks; not enough deaths...say 10% of enemy population (except lifers/miners) at start of war, dead by end) -- the offending alliance(s) contract a BLOOD CURSE for 5 days following the war. This halves all stats, including income and UP. And a few other hidden nasties. Leave it to say, that the blood realm is not meant for vacationing....

Both alliances have bloodcurse, I'm not sure on FS, but DDE definetly killed over 10% in fact close to 100% of killable units on our enemy (I got cov reports if that helps you).

5.
10% of alliance bank is taken as ante, which is given to the winning alliance.

As far as I know DDE won the bloodwar, but didn't not receive the naq for the alliance bank.

6.
WARNING! --if the war was not bloody enough (not enough attacks; not enough deaths...say 10% of enemy population (except lifers/miners) at start of war, dead by end) -- the offending alliance(s) contract a BLOOD CURSE for 5 days following the war. This halves all stats, including income and UP. And a few other hidden nasties. Leave it to say, that the blood realm is not meant for vacationing....

Bloodcurse works just fine, expect income didn't get cutted.

Suggestions:
The war was only fought in the first 15mins I believe, once one side had no more UU, we had to sit in this realm doing nothing, so might want to change something on this part; ie. perhaps untraining miners later on, so there is the element of suprize? Still no training of them, thats a nice twist .
The 4h wait period is IMO too short, maybe prolongue that a bit? People do sleep, work and have lifes.
The price of bloowars is high, so think you should do something on the reward part for the winner. For example, how about that the winner also gets 10-15% of enemys UU killed while in bloodwar but in naq value thru the ingame rates awarder to the alliance leader(who in most cases will distribute it to his fighters). Can it be done for each alliance member so you get a % of what u killed as a small reward?

Thats off the top of my head, I'm pretty sure I forgot some things.

Naq Won-27,893,765,536,843

any chance we can have this naq actually put into our alliance bank please?

also a suggestion, what if during the process of getting to 100% and instigating bloodrealm, you destroy everysingle defence and strike, what is the enemy supose to do to you since you cant untrain uu from miners ? throw sticks at them ??

why not have it so you can untrain a % from miners or something, just something rather than just sit there and take a ass kicking

Ah I forgot the ME, so now every kill is recorded properly as a e.g. UU, SS, raider and so on in ME(just wondering cause of the "merge" of attack and defence.)?

In my opinion 8h would suit myself the best, thou thats for the majority to decide. The more time an alliance has to prepare for bloodwar, then bloodier should it be IMO. Which after all is the point of it.
The 100% mark would fix the long boredom that follows the 15mins of fun, to get to 100% is duable, just requires a hell alot of turns, so maybe 95%?
Can the population number vary depending how many miners are untrained? Its just another % in the equation after all. Might be good thou to limit to 10% or even 5% untrainable miners perhaps? Its not much, not small but still allow a bit of suprize.
Also you missed:

Scar Face wrote:Both alliances have bloodcurse, I'm not sure on FS, but DDE definetly killed over 10% in fact close to 100% of killable units on our enemy (I got cov reports if that helps you).

I've based that assestment based on my covert reports when there was nothing left. By your calculations we killed 45.6% which I think is not the right result. Can you just double check that?

Scar Face wrote:The price of bloowars is high, so think you should do something on the reward part for the winner. For example, how about that the winner also gets 10-15% of enemys UU killed while in bloodwar but in naq value thru the ingame rates awarder to the alliance leader(who in most cases will distribute it to his fighters). Can it be done for each alliance member so you get a % of what u killed as a small reward?

As long as your around to fix it, I'm glad to help.

Forum wrote:thank you ... great post.
there were 2 major bugs, since fixed.
1) the deaths were not recorded during the war (forgot to port the db fields to live...)
2) the 'to/from' were reversed when starting the war (not sure how this passed testing...)
Fixing this solves issues 3,4,5,6 (winner random since no kills; bloodcurse since 0 is <10%; etc)

# 1 fixed (direct give only; rules updated)
# 2 fixed (changed to enemy only in rules)

So all fixed. Will look at a 6hour lead time? or 8?
Also - first to kill 100% ends war might work (can go over 100% as UP adds more units)
I do not want to allow untrain miner as that skews the population you must kill to get to the 10% and/or to win...

The counts do only factor NON-miner units... that part worked

anyway - bugs should all be done... and good feedback. thanks agian.

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Scar Face wrote:So DDE and FS started and ended the first bloodwar to my knowledge, althou a nice feature its heavily bugged:

1.
* You can not receive goods from other players outside of your own alliance.
* The market broker (as a reminder) requires same location as your trade partner. Bloodrealm is NOT anywhere...therefore not the same as existing trade partners outside your own alliance.

First thing I noticed, we we're unable to trade within out alliance, in fact there was no "To the Private Trade Broker" button, sending direct also didn't work.

2.
* You can not hit, spy, sab, etc -anyone except your own alliance, and that of your enemy.

We were only able to hit our enemy not our own alliance.

3.
The winner of the bloodwar is the alliance who kills the most of the other alliances' units (raided units count as kills too). Straight up and simple.
Past battles can be seen via the link: 'Chronicles of Galactic Alliance Wars' on the base page.

Kills doesn't show, all that is posted in CoGAW is:
Event Time Started Time Ended Alliance Orig Enemy Pop Kill Count Other Alliance Orig Enemy Pop Kill Count Winner (More Kills) Naq Won Comment

27-17912-1354988996 Dec 08, 13:49 Dec 09, 13:49 THE DARK DOMINIUM™ (37) 2,311,033,772 0 Forgotten Serenity™ (10) 527,922,069 0 THE DARK DOMINIUM™ (37) 27,893,765,536,843 BLOODBATH! Flawless Victory!

4.
WARNING! --if the war was not bloody enough (not enough attacks; not enough deaths...say 10% of enemy population (except lifers/miners) at start of war, dead by end) -- the offending alliance(s) contract a BLOOD CURSE for 5 days following the war. This halves all stats, including income and UP. And a few other hidden nasties. Leave it to say, that the blood realm is not meant for vacationing....

Both alliances have bloodcurse, I'm not sure on FS, but DDE definetly killed over 10% in fact close to 100% of killable units on our enemy (I got cov reports if that helps you).

5.
10% of alliance bank is taken as ante, which is given to the winning alliance.

As far as I know DDE won the bloodwar, but didn't not receive the naq for the alliance bank.

6.
WARNING! --if the war was not bloody enough (not enough attacks; not enough deaths...say 10% of enemy population (except lifers/miners) at start of war, dead by end) -- the offending alliance(s) contract a BLOOD CURSE for 5 days following the war. This halves all stats, including income and UP. And a few other hidden nasties. Leave it to say, that the blood realm is not meant for vacationing....

Bloodcurse works just fine, expect income didn't get cutted.

Suggestions:
The war was only fought in the first 15mins I believe, once one side had no more UU, we had to sit in this realm doing nothing, so might want to change something on this part; ie. perhaps untraining miners later on, so there is the element of suprize? Still no training of them, thats a nice twist .
The 4h wait period is IMO too short, maybe prolongue that a bit? People do sleep, work and have lifes.
The price of bloowars is high, so think you should do something on the reward part for the winner. For example, how about that the winner also gets 10-15% of enemys UU killed while in bloodwar but in naq value thru the ingame rates awarder to the alliance leader(who in most cases will distribute it to his fighters). Can it be done for each alliance member so you get a % of what u killed as a small reward?

Thats off the top of my head, I'm pretty sure I forgot some things.

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make the bloodcurse for the individuals who were in the losing alliance. and if they go to ppt for how long it lasts it should freeze and continue when they come of vac, to stop people just running.

Bump hope you see/fix this before another bloodwar, we're always on the edge

Especially the time till Bloodwar starts could use an change IMHO - 4 hours is quite short. I would propose 8 hours. By that time people should have had the chance to come online and check out the standings. With a game with players throughout the whole world, you're majorly screwed if you even can't prepare yourself because of a very short timeframe for such an important warfeature.

Also can we get rid of bloodwar acceptance checkbox on normal attacks, via Alliance command page? I created similar topic in game suggestions, and we got some discussions going on with other community members, so it would be really nice, if at least some of those suggestions could be implemented

the topic is here

Make it the % of population killed who wins the bloodwar, too easy to get dragged into a bw by a small alliance and they have a lot less to kill compared to us.