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NSA collecting too much data.
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:59 am
by Sol
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ju ... :Position1
Let's be clear with what they're handing over to the NSA first:
"Under the terms of the blanket order, the numbers of both parties on a call are handed over, as is location data, call duration, unique identifiers, and the time and duration of all calls. The contents of the conversation itself are not covered."
Obviously it's taking a noticeable piece of your liberation pie Americans, but is it too invasive? Though that can't really be judged until you're given the reason (so let's just go with the most likely, terrorist hunting).
Re: NSA collecting US phone call data
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:03 am
by ~Dä Vinci~
they prevented a serious attack on the us through this i read..
Re: NSA collecting US phone call data
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:05 am
by Sol
~Dä Vinci~ wrote:they prevented a serious attack on the us through this i read..
Link? Proof?
Re: NSA collecting US phone call data
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:11 am
by ~Dä Vinci~
Sol wrote:~Dä Vinci~ wrote:they prevented a serious attack on the us through this i read..
Link? Proof?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22793851
i probaly miss read it knowing me
Re: NSA collecting US phone call data
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:14 am
by Juliette
It is rather easy to say you prevented something from happening.
Re: NSA collecting US phone call data
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:31 am
by Legendary Apophis
IRS are collecting data (and taking a political stance pro-Obama) from Tea Party members and other groups against so-called "Progress" in America.
Re: NSA collecting US phone call data
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:50 am
by Juliette
Legendary Apophis wrote:IRS are collecting data (and taking a political stance pro-Obama) from Tea Party members and other groups against so-called "Progress" in America.
Yes, but that is the news from a month ago..
Re: NSA collecting US phone call data
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:55 am
by Legendary Apophis
Juliette wrote:Legendary Apophis wrote:IRS are collecting data (and taking a political stance pro-Obama) from Tea Party members and other groups against so-called "Progress" in America.
Yes, but that is the news from a month ago..
I know, just saying that this government isn't as wonderful as people would have thought.
Re: NSA collecting US phone call data
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:00 am
by Field Marshall
Seriously, I would consent to this **Filtered**. If it stops some guy blowing up me or my family. Fine, collect my phone records. What you afraid of? Someone seeing your intimate photos you sent to your wife?
Get over it, screw democracy, screw freedom.
Get on the train and get off again.
That is all.
Re: NSA collecting US phone call data
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:02 am
by Sol
All there
, but as Juliette has said, it's easy to say you have prevented something. Especially since the only backing it has was it being "significant" and "within the past few years" mentioned by just a congressman.
Although I'm just interested to know why they need ALL records and not just a selected network of people, or even a state (to blur the curiosities of others).
@FM, see first post about what information is actually being given.
Re: NSA collecting US phone call data
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:45 am
by ƒëmmë
Freedom of Speech
NOT!!
Re: NSA collecting US phone call data
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:51 am
by Guild
nah im with FM on this,
if a serious terrorist attack happens people die, the goverment and security forces are blamedfornot doing their jobs,
you have to give abit to ensure your safety, people dont appreciate that,then they should expect attacks to rise and more people to die.
freedom isnt free
Re: NSA collecting US phone call data
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 4:08 am
by Juliette
Makes sense that Brits would see things differently. You live in a police state already.
For one to give up 'freedom' one would need to
have freedom to begin with.
I could not care less what Americans do with Americans. I do care about some backwards nation blatantly ignoring my nation's sovereignty and my privacy. That power belongs with another organisation, and any infringement thereupon is .. well .. annoying.
Re: NSA collecting US phone call data
Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:52 am
by Jack
Guild wrote:nah im with FM on this,
if a serious terrorist attack happens people die, the goverment and security forces are blamedfornot doing their jobs,
you have to give abit to ensure your safety, people dont appreciate that,then they should expect attacks to rise and more people to die.
freedom isnt free
It didn't stop Boston. So what safety is it providing?
Re: NSA collecting US phone call data
Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:07 am
by Guild
Dovahkiin wrote:Guild wrote:nah im with FM on this,
if a serious terrorist attack happens people die, the goverment and security forces are blamedfornot doing their jobs,
you have to give abit to ensure your safety, people dont appreciate that,then they should expect attacks to rise and more people to die.
freedom isnt free
It didn't stop Boston. So what safety is it providing?
more than you would know, or appreciate, as it is stopping them before events like boston happen
Juliette wrote:
I could not care less what Americans do with Americans. I do care about some backwards nation blatantly ignoring my nation's sovereignty and my privacy. That power belongs with another organisation, and any infringement thereupon is .. well .. annoying.
pffffffft get out of here, you go to america you follow their rules, dont expect them to treat you with whatever your nations sovereignty provides you with in your own country, if you dont like it you know what to do