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At the level the game has grown to, I think the sab limit has outgrown it's usefulness. As a player who specialised in covert, I am very limited now in what i can do. Sabotaging anyone is extremely costly, since i can only destroy 1 of their super weapons - and it will usually cost me so much in spies that it is pointless even against middle-ranked players.
This is an extreme advantage to the top players, since they know they will not be sabotaged regardless of their own covert level. I'm not exactly sure when the "covert action limit" limit kicks in, but if a player has over 1000 weapons, the limit will kick in well before there is any significant damage done.
I think the number of weapons destroyable per sab should be a factor of the players total weapons, and the covert limit should be factored in some similar way.

PS. I am no longer specialising in covert, as the advantages are negligable compared to attack and defense. I mean, if you want to get intel on someone's def strength, just attack them with one turn ... happens to me all the time...

As I said before, I think the maximum damage should depend more on the amount they have. If someone has 1000 superweapons, taking out 1 is just a joke. You need to be able to take out at least 10 in order to make a noticeable dent.

Ya but when you have members that are teamed up to attack one person, the person gets sabbed back to nothing , just cause the person even attempted to steal naq and wasnt even succesful. if we do that then we need to raise up thge amount of spies lost each time to either way then id be able to anihalate anyone bothering my lower officers .

Well the covert limit could be extended...
Instead of 8 (?) maximum sabotages against a person the following could be done:
Lvl1,2,3: Max 5 Sabs
Lvl 4: Max 7 Sabs x 1 weapon
Lvl 5: Max 9 Sabs x 1 weapon
Lvl 6: Max 11 Sabs x 1 weapon
Lvl 7: Max 13 Sabs x 1 weapon
Lvl 8: Max 15 Sabs x 1 weapon
Lvl 9: Max 17 Sabs x 1 weapon
etc.. etc..

King 4 Day wrote: if we do that then we need to raise up thge amount of spies lost each time.

This says it all. The cosmic solution to all covert complaints:
Raise the rewards, but at the same time raise the stakes.

Sleipnir wrote:As I said before, I think the maximum damage should depend more on the amount they have. If someone has 1000 superweapons, taking out 1 is just a joke. You need to be able to take out at least 10 in order to make a noticeable dent.

^i agree^

Spykie wrote:Well the covert limit could be extended...
Instead of 8 (?) maximum sabotages against a person the following could be done:
Lvl1,2,3: Max 5 Sabs
Lvl 4: Max 7 Sabs x 1 weapon
Lvl 5: Max 9 Sabs x 1 weapon
Lvl 6: Max 11 Sabs x 1 weapon
Lvl 7: Max 13 Sabs x 1 weapon
Lvl 8: Max 15 Sabs x 1 weapon
Lvl 9: Max 17 Sabs x 1 weapon
etc.. etc..

This would be a step back towards the bad old days!!

I think the level of your sab should depend on the max destroyable weapons.

for example : 100,000 more than enemy 1 weapon
200,000 more than enemy 2 weapons
300,000 more than enemy, 3 weapons.
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King 4 Day wrote:Ya but when you have members that are teamed up to attack one person, the person gets sabbed back to nothing , just cause the person even attempted to steal naq and wasnt even succesful. if we do that then we need to raise up thge amount of spies lost each time to either way then id be able to anihalate anyone bothering my lower officers .

Your point is totally valid, but as it stands right now, you can get attacked back to the stone-age if enough people decide they want to do that to you.

I agree that it shouldn't be just "open season" for sab'ing ... I just think it should be brought back into line with attacking. I'm sure some appropriate limits could be made according to the size of the target.

Wolf359 wrote:

Spykie wrote:Well the covert limit could be extended...
Instead of 8 (?) maximum sabotages against a person the following could be done:
Lvl1,2,3: Max 5 Sabs
Lvl 4: Max 7 Sabs x 1 weapon
Lvl 5: Max 9 Sabs x 1 weapon
Lvl 6: Max 11 Sabs x 1 weapon
Lvl 7: Max 13 Sabs x 1 weapon
Lvl 8: Max 15 Sabs x 1 weapon
Lvl 9: Max 17 Sabs x 1 weapon
etc.. etc..

This would be a step back towards the bad old days!!

I must agree with you ... those with higher covert levels already have the advantage - I don't see the logic in giving them more. It would be nice to have some sort of modifier that is related to the sab'er and the sab'ee rather than an overarching number given to the sab'er regardless of the the target's strength.

RepliSean wrote:

Sleipnir wrote:As I said before, I think the maximum damage should depend more on the amount they have. If someone has 1000 superweapons, taking out 1 is just a joke. You need to be able to take out at least 10 in order to make a noticeable dent.

^i agree^

I think that their should be a veriable, like what you have in the attack phase. I think for every 200,000 spy efficancy that you have, it's +1 more supper weapon... EX... someone at 500,000 vs. someone with 550,000 their should be one weapon destroyed. someone with 700,000 vs someon with 300,000 should be 3 weapons distroyed.

Let me Elightin those that weren't here sevral moths ago to how ulgy sabotage is player x who is still playing the game had no weapons well some but few and a masssive unit genaration and high high covert player x the proceeded to sab everyone back into the stone age in the name of protecting his allaince.
Player C who is also still playing the game was too much of a coward to claim reponsablity for his actions and pretended to be the tokra as he used sabotage to bring others down mind u he was a top 5 player sabbing guys like me who were in the 100's and 200's
sabotage when it gets to pwoerfull is an ulgy ulgy thing people will misuse it and soon just like player X discovered it beomce more pwoerful than actually haveing an rank and an empire .

Mind u x and C know exactly who they are and i only don't mention thier names cuz i'am rpetty certain that would count as a personal attack

Amon Ra wrote:Let me Elightin those that weren't here sevral moths ago to how ulgy sabotage is player x who is still playing the game had no weapons well some but few and a masssive unit genaration and high high covert player x the proceeded to sab everyone back into the stone age in the name of protecting his allaince.
Player C who is also still playing the game was too much of a coward to claim reponsablity for his actions and pretended to be the tokra as he used sabotage to bring others down mind u he was a top 5 player sabbing guys like me who were in the 100's and 200's
sabotage when it gets to pwoerfull is an ulgy ulgy thing people will misuse it and soon just like player X discovered it beomce more pwoerful than actually haveing an rank and an empire .

Mind u x and C know exactly who they are and i only don't mention thier names cuz i'am rpetty certain that would count as a personal attack

But you need to have sabing make some kind of dent... It's obvious that sabing doesn't have much of an effect anymore. Unless provoked, who on the first page is going to sab someone on page 80? It doesn't make sense. You need to have sabing have some kind of dent, because right now it has almost 0 effect.

xcrunnermr06 wrote:

Amon Ra wrote:Let me Elightin those that weren't here sevral moths ago to how ulgy sabotage is player x who is still playing the game had no weapons well some but few and a masssive unit genaration and high high covert player x the proceeded to sab everyone back into the stone age in the name of protecting his allaince.
Player C who is also still playing the game was too much of a coward to claim reponsablity for his actions and pretended to be the tokra as he used sabotage to bring others down mind u he was a top 5 player sabbing guys like me who were in the 100's and 200's
sabotage when it gets to pwoerfull is an ulgy ulgy thing people will misuse it and soon just like player X discovered it beomce more pwoerful than actually haveing an rank and an empire .

Mind u x and C know exactly who they are and i only don't mention thier names cuz i'am rpetty certain that would count as a personal attack

But you need to have sabing make some kind of dent... It's obvious that sabing doesn't have much of an effect anymore. Unless provoked, who on the first page is going to sab someone on page 80? It doesn't make sense. You need to have sabing have some kind of dent, because right now it has almost 0 effect.

NOt to mention any names but there is one player that comes to mind MR C mind u i was not on page 80 but on 20 soemthing and he hit otehr players why i supose it made him feel pwoerfull tp pick on newbies mind u mister C didn't have the guts to own up to his actions and instead pretended to be tokra till someone taught him how it feels to be crushed .
Mind u just so we can all be clear the onle reason i don't name names is cuz i'am not sure if forum and the mods will consider it a personal attack .

Amon Ra wrote:

xcrunnermr06 wrote:

Amon Ra wrote:Let me Elightin those that weren't here sevral moths ago to how ulgy sabotage is player x who is still playing the game had no weapons well some but few and a masssive unit genaration and high high covert player x the proceeded to sab everyone back into the stone age in the name of protecting his allaince.
Player C who is also still playing the game was too much of a coward to claim reponsablity for his actions and pretended to be the tokra as he used sabotage to bring others down mind u he was a top 5 player sabbing guys like me who were in the 100's and 200's
sabotage when it gets to pwoerfull is an ulgy ulgy thing people will misuse it and soon just like player X discovered it beomce more pwoerful than actually haveing an rank and an empire .

Mind u x and C know exactly who they are and i only don't mention thier names cuz i'am rpetty certain that would count as a personal attack

But you need to have sabing make some kind of dent... It's obvious that sabing doesn't have much of an effect anymore. Unless provoked, who on the first page is going to sab someone on page 80? It doesn't make sense. You need to have sabing have some kind of dent, because right now it has almost 0 effect.

NOt to mention any names but there is one player that comes to mind MR C mind u i was not on page 80 but on 20 soemthing and he hit otehr players why i supose it made him feel pwoerfull tp pick on newbies mind u mister C didn't have the guts to own up to his actions and instead pretended to be tokra till someone taught him how it feels to be crushed .
Mind u just so we can all be clear the onle reason i don't name names is cuz i'am not sure if forum and the mods will consider it a personal attack .

I know that your afraid of being sabbed back into the stone age, and thats understandable, but what about people that use sabing as their form of lowering someone down some so that they can hit them. I can't tell you how many times I've lost a battle by like 100,000 damage. I sab them 5 times, loose 7-8 spys in the process, turn around attack them again, and I loose by 70,000 thats after repairing weapons. You have to either make it have a dent, or get rid of it.