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Decension - Preemptively stopping a problem

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:59 am
by The ancient evil
As we have seen with planets, because they are new everyone wants one (regardless of how low their benefit actually is). When descension launches, everyone will want kills to their name regardless of their worth.

Is there going to be anything in place to stop the top guys taking out the bottom pages just to get kills to their name? I don't want to see all the people who have worked hard and are newly ascended (like me :shock:) to just be crushed because of a new feature.

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:11 am
by Hensenshi
I doubt that many people would waist the turns to descend someone just to get a kill. I personally would much rather use the turns to raid, or farm DMU. And of course I assume that forum will have some kind of rank modifier for the smaller guys.

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 2:22 pm
by ZS Agent281
We definitely need to make it a little more difficult stealing a planet because we all know how well that is going in main. :wink:

Seriously though there needs to be a heavy rank modifier and a seperate system where you need to take out a crap load of Life Force or some new thing that you can gather.

What I am a bit more worried about is the cost that will be payed on main. I don't know whether it should be a full decension where you lose your entire account or if you can keep things and maybe get back G&R {Just a thought...}

I really have no clue how this is going to work...

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 3:35 pm
by The ancient evil
Hensenshi wrote:I doubt that many people would waist the turns to descend someone just to get a kill. I personally would much rather use the turns to raid, or farm DMU. And of course I assume that forum will have some kind of rank modifier for the smaller guys.


I can only hope you are right.

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:43 pm
by Hensenshi
The ancient evil wrote:
Hensenshi wrote:I doubt that many people would waist the turns to descend someone just to get a kill. I personally would much rather use the turns to raid, or farm DMU. And of course I assume that forum will have some kind of rank modifier for the smaller guys.


I can only hope you are right.


Turns can only be aquired by waiting. In such, massings happen a lot less, as turns are so hard to get ahold of. If someone wanted kills, they'd hit someone they don't like, not someone random. It takes just as many turns to mass someone.

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:38 pm
by #?#
Hensenshi wrote:
The ancient evil wrote:
Hensenshi wrote:I doubt that many people would waist the turns to descend someone just to get a kill. I personally would much rather use the turns to raid, or farm DMU. And of course I assume that forum will have some kind of rank modifier for the smaller guys.


I can only hope you are right.


Turns can only be aquired by waiting. In such, massings happen a lot less, as turns are so hard to get ahold of. If someone wanted kills, they'd hit someone they don't like, not someone random. It takes just as many turns to mass someone.


In other words, it takes so much time to get anough turns to kill someone that when someone will get killed, it will have deserved it very very much :lol:

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 6:48 am
by Su
It takes a long time to mass someone now, after wiping a defense, then assassins, covert, and such it would require a due process to decend someone not to mention that newers players will probally not be able to get decended for numorous amount of days. I'd say three months after being ascended should be enough time to learn how to play and advoid being decended.

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:36 am
by The ancient evil
Su wrote:newers players will probally not be able to get decended for numorous amount of days. I'd say three months after being ascended should be enough time to learn how to play and advoid being decended.


That's exactly what I'm hoping for.

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:12 am
by pijanc
Su wrote:It takes a long time to mass someone now, after wiping a defense, then assassins, covert, and such it would require a due process to decend someone not to mention that newers players will probally not be able to get decended for numorous amount of days. I'd say three months after being ascended should be enough time to learn how to play and advoid being decended.
=D> amen to that.

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:17 pm
by Chris M
Hensenshi wrote:some kind of rank modifier for the smaller guys.

based on Influence power maybe...

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:52 pm
by Hensenshi
Chris M wrote:
Hensenshi wrote:some kind of rank modifier for the smaller guys.

based on Influence power maybe...


Influence would be best, if it's by rank, I'll sell my strike and just sit back and do my work from assassins.

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:56 pm
by Tojo
i like the idea of being able to decend peoplel but in the actuall series the Ancients couldnt Decend Anubis all the way, so perhaps they could make it so that if you were to be Killed in Ascension that your account is Frozen, but still there and your Main Acount Still retains its Ascension Status, cause we all know how costly it is to Ascend, especially if your not one of the gods of the game, then in order to get your Ascended account playable again you would have to pay a few hundred G&R points, though not reseting the acount again, which would also give the G&R points some more use to the players in main that have reached the max Ascension level already, everybody wins because you dont lose all your work in main, and it seems to follow the rules in the series.

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 4:39 pm
by Hensenshi
Tojo wrote:i like the idea of being able to decend peoplel but in the actuall series the Ancients couldnt Decend Anubis all the way, so perhaps they could make it so that if you were to be Killed in Ascension that your account is Frozen, but still there and your Main Acount Still retains its Ascension Status, cause we all know how costly it is to Ascend, especially if your not one of the gods of the game, then in order to get your Ascended account playable again you would have to pay a few hundred G&R points, though not reseting the acount again, which would also give the G&R points some more use to the players in main that have reached the max Ascension level already, everybody wins because you dont lose all your work in main, and it seems to follow the rules in the series.


The idea of descension IS to be able to ruin someone's main account. The idea is that if they're a superpower in main, but don't spend enough effort playing ascension to keep their ascended account in working order, they take the fall in main. It's a reason to be good in both servers, and a reason to be one of the best in ascension. People arn't going to waist the valuable attack turns to descend someone weak in main and ascension. They will use it on vindication on someone who's got power in main. I will be serverly disappointed if descension doesn't damage their main account seriously.

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:10 pm
by Geoff
Tojo wrote:i like the idea of being able to decend peoplel but in the actuall series the Ancients couldnt Decend Anubis all the way


Actually i think in season 8 it was revealed that the ancients delibrately only half descended Anubis :wink: but they could've done it fully if they wanted to.

Anyway i kinda agree with Hensenshi! I hope what would happen is that people that get descended would lose their ascension bonus: ie the income, strike, defence, and covert bonus, as well as the ascended blessing. So a Prior would just lose their 5% bonus in all areas, where as a Living God with 6 ascensions would lose their 30% bonus in all areas plus the ascended blessing.

And i remember a post (sorry i can't remember who by now, it was a while ago) where they suggested that instead of being say "Living God of the Indu" their main status should be changed to "Fallen of the Indu". I think this is also a good idea.

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:20 pm
by Saber
The only problem with ascention surver is that no matter what someone does this server is completely based on time. So someone who has been playing the entire time and is a living god will always be more powerful then any newer living gods giving them the ability to de-ascend someone.