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I am sure you will all agree that Socialism is better than stinking Capitalism.

The closer a country is to dictatorship the worse the life is there.
The closer a country is to capitalism the worse the life is there.

The closer a country is to democracy the better the life there.
The closer a country is to socialism the better the life there.

Afterall capitalist countries are in a really bad shape, socialist countries are better, and those who are Social-Democracies are the best!

I guess there is no place for capitalism in the future, it is doomed to fail.

Every doctrine has it's bad sides, the best would be to filter the good points of all of them & create a brand new one from those sweet parts

*goes back to his utopic dreams*

*Huggles Pol Pot*

marusai wrote:I am sure you will all agree that Socialism is better than stinking Capitalism.

They cover two different things;
One relates the culture and economy, the other relates to the culture and government. A side-by-side comparison is not fair.

Further, Capitalism and Socialism are two terms that are abused beyond reason. They are catchall phrases that (depending upon which professor or layman you speak with), run the gamut from Radical humanism to an agrarian-ethos, to a Capitalistic-Socialism A'la SST.
(And indeed, from where you're coming from, Capitalism may be defined as a government-system)

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Afterall capitalist countries are in a really bad shape, socialist countries are better, and those who are Social-Democracies are the best!

I guess there is no place for capitalism in the future, it is doomed to fail.

Do you know whereof you speak?
Your Social-Democracies has no economic backing. Are you speaking of a mercantile-socialistic-democracy, an agrarian-socialistic-democracy, or a capitalist-Socialist-republic? Again, I think you are misusing capitalism.

Until you nail down a more narrow idea of your utopia, it is both hard to attack and to defend.

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Don't get me wrong, the individualist-humanistic crap that comes along with radical-debased-capitalism (i.e materialism/consumerism) irks me to no end. But neither do I want to pull a khemar rouge and cleanse the cities in the name of social reform.




Btw, I do entertain the possibility that this is a joke thread, in which case it belongs in the Temple.

Capatalist democracy's have made the most progress in history. Socialism Crashed and burned. Literally. Even China refers to itself a s a republic. Socialism failed and always will it defy's human nature and thus cannot prevail.

Øsiris wrote:Capatalist democracy's have made the most progress in history. Socialism Crashed and burned. Literally. Even China refers to itself a s a republic. Socialism failed and always will it defy's human nature and thus cannot prevail.

thank you Øsiris

Privaten wrote:

Øsiris wrote:Capatalist democracy's have made the most progress in history. Socialism Crashed and burned. Literally. Even China refers to itself a s a republic. Socialism failed and always will it defy's human nature and thus cannot prevail.

thank you Øsiris

wernt they all one party systems (ie Socialist Dictatorship)

democratic socialism i think is the way to go
equallity mixed with freedom

i came in here knowing i would say this (or somthing similar) before i even knew what the poll was (i thought it was going to be "agree" or "diagree" )

Actually in one of the nations that emerged after the fall of the USSR socialism did in fact work very well for them as the original marxist ideal.

However this may be due to the fact that everyone who lived there had nothing to start with anyways and as they all became well off they all had the same things so it wasnt a problem. I do think they merged with another country in the end and the whole system fell apart.

Its not so much that the original ideal of socialism go against human nature its just that most ppl are brought up to be power hungry & greedy and to get what they can with no concern for who they burn on the way, if you look at various tribes across the world you will see that their systems of governance do work very well & while not perhaps socialism per-se they are probably closer to it than any country has ever been.

A good example would be that most property in tribes belongs to the tribe & not a person, so it is shared out as needed. Also notice how they do use drugs that are counsidered illegal in western capitalist countries, but they dont have addicts. When one person abuses the drug the whole tribe works together to help them off it and back into a normal life, whereas in western society you are spurned & cast out. Both of these examples are documented behaviours of tribes (mostly nomadic ones) & also they are ideals enshrined with the founding ideals of socialism

mozart invented communism...therefore its more musical...hence its better...though more boring in a way. meh, depends on your taste in music

Socialism dosnt weed out the lazy.

Plenty of homeless in America could get jobs, they just don't want to.

People constantly thing corporations are the evil thing because they make money. Whereas they are the ones that create the most skilled jobs and and provide the services we use.

As long as competition is out there, Capitalism works.

Oh and, don't even get me started on dictatorships. XD

And to your comments where Capitalism will fail... lol... Nice to see how the Peoples Republic of China is 10x better economy wise since it started shifting to a capitalist economy.

Gatedialer wrote:Socialism dosnt weed out the lazy.

Plenty of homeless in America could get jobs, they just don't want to.

People constantly thing corporations are the evil thing because they make money. Whereas they are the ones that create the most skilled jobs and and provide the services we use.

As long as competition is out there, Capitalism works.

Oh and, don't even get me started on dictatorships. XD

And to your comments where Capitalism will fail... lol... Nice to see how the Peoples Republic of China is 10x better economy wise since it started shifting to a capitalist economy.

Indeed

Gatedialer wrote:Socialism dosnt weed out the lazy.

Plenty of homeless in America could get jobs, they just don't want to.

People constantly thing corporations are the evil thing because they make money. Whereas they are the ones that create the most skilled jobs and and provide the services we use.

As long as competition is out there, Capitalism works.

Oh and, don't even get me started on dictatorships. XD

And to your comments where Capitalism will fail... lol... Nice to see how the Peoples Republic of China is 10x better economy wise since it started shifting to a capitalist economy.

And poverty grows more and more, jobs get delocalized in other countries who have low work costs and 1000s of people get fired of their jobs each day...
Capitalism rock!


Btw who voted capitalism dictatorship? Someone who still dream of living during Pinochet's dictatorship?

And poverty grows more and more, jobs get delocalized in other countries who have low work costs and 1000s of people get fired of their jobs each day...
Capitalism rock!

And thousands more quit... And tens of thousands more get hired.
No system is perfect. There will always be the lazy, or those who simply cannot work.
As for the exporting of manufacturing... That is a really mixed bundle.
Depends more upon what the nature of the job being exported is, than the actual quantity of jobs.

I am also curious as to this 'poverty growing' buissness. Bar the absolute lowest percentage of our poor (which are pretty much in the same boat wherever they are), I would certainly rather be penniless here than in India or Cambodia.

The question becomes which system provides the best relative percentage of middleclass/poor, and which system's 'poor' are the best off. In that field, I think the USA is certainly one of the best.




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Remember, capitalism tends to create wealth, which can then be voluntarily distrusted: If no wealth is created in the first place, then even the most communist or welfare-based state cannot possible make an impact on their people's quality of life.

Øsiris wrote:Capatalist democracy's have made the most progress in history. Socialism Crashed and burned. Literally. Even China refers to itself a s a republic. Socialism failed and always will it defy's human nature and thus cannot prevail.

What does that have to mean?

First of all Socialism is being victorious in all over the world ,except a short step backwards in the 1990, but since then it is growing with a fast pase.

And what do you mean by republic? Socialism/Socialists are responsible for the existance of most republics. USSR was a union of 15 Republics, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Vietnam, Cuba, Angola... all of them are Republics.

So what do you want to say?

marusai wrote:

Øsiris wrote:Capatalist democracy's have made the most progress in history. Socialism Crashed and burned. Literally. Even China refers to itself a s a republic. Socialism failed and always will it defy's human nature and thus cannot prevail.

What does that have to mean?

First of all Socialism is being victorious in all over the world ,except a short step backwards in the 1990, but since then it is growing with a fast pase.

And what do you mean by republic? Socialism/Socialists are responsible for the existance of most republics. USSR was a union of 15 Republics, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Vietnam, Cuba, Angola... all of them are Republics.

So what do you want to say?

well lets here what i gotta say, ehh?
People in democracy=free
socailism/communist dictarotiships=not so free
explain? here:
They are forced to live under an iron fist and literaly have close to 0 free will. explain that