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Here is a suggestion that I think will help balance ascension more than anything else that has been suggested thus far. In exchange for never being able to ascend again, ascension accounts are given the opportunity to buy upgrades to help support their main account (costing DMU) and/or increasing their UP in main by sacrificing some of their planet production. This is a one-way street. Once you decide to help your main account, even if you change back and keep all your ascension resources in your ascension account, you still will never be able to ascend again. This will have two effects: first of all, it will slow down the growth of the really big accounts in ascension who will probably sacrifice part of their growth for benefits in main, allowing the smaller accounts to "close the gap" or even catch up, if they are determined to do so. Secondly, it will give a boost in main to those of us who took the hits over and over again to get our ascension accounts to where they are now, only to have update after update deball them. We won't be able to do anymore massive ascensions to further increase our accounts and we will slow down our growth in ascension to gain bonuses in main.

I TOTALLY agree...for instance DMU can be converted to naq...or planet fleets can be converted to UU in main.

I also suggest that if you are not of sufficient power in ascension, ascended blessings in main should not work.

And those who ascend and just stock up life force should lose 2.5 percent ATLEAST every turn, they are over the limit.

And finally vacation mode. If one takes the risk to vacate the ascended realm, they should lose the exact same bonuses they would lose if descended.

Shooting Star wrote:Secondly, it will give a boost in main to those of us who took the hits over and over again to get our ascension accounts to where they are now, only to have update after update deball them.

Off topic: Now you know exactly how I felt when all the whining and <whining> about planets in Main caused "enhancements" that significantly hampered my ability to use the huge investment I have in fleets.

On topic: I'm not opposed to the notion of using ascended resources to help the main account. The details and specifics would have to be spelled out in advance so they could be evaluated for possible abuse or misuse.

ETL wrote:I also suggest that if you are not of sufficient power in ascension, ascended blessings in main should not work.

Disagree on that point. Ascended blessing is a perk of multiple ascensions past the first and shouldn't be taken away simply because the ascended account isn't particularly strong.

ETL wrote:And those who ascend and just stock up life force should lose 2.5 percent ATLEAST every turn, they are over the limit.

Strongly disagree with that. It would significantly hamper anyone's ability to grow where their natural life force was less than their power upgrade costs. For example, if you make 3 million DMU a turn, it takes 3+ turns to make enough DMU to do a single life force upgrade. If your total life force is 14,000 and your next charisma upgrade is 30,000, it would take forever to reach 30,000 if your life force was constantly draining. It already takes forever as it is.

ETL wrote:And finally vacation mode. If one takes the risk to vacate the ascended realm, they should lose the exact same bonuses they would lose if descended.

Well, the reason you want this implemented is obvious given the current situation in main. I guess I have mixed feelings on it. You probably shouldn't get benefits from ascension if you're not even logging into the server to play. However, you did spent time and resources to get there in the first place. Perhaps the 50% reduction that is in place now is a good compromise.

i agree it could become more interesting this way.

I also suggest that if you are not of sufficient power in ascension, ascended blessings in main should not work.

that could work, but then again if you say "you need 50k lifeforce in order to have ascended blessing to kick in" you make it difficult for the smaller or newer accounts.. you know what i mean.. i guess..

but i dont think taking away life force when your over the limit is good, i'm always over the limit, otherwise i cant buy upgrades. (example)
so if someone still dont know what i am trying to say.. here: if i cant get over the limit i wouldnt be able to buy any upgrades.

just my thought about it.

ps: that vacation more is also a good thing :p

I like most of the ideas but I don't like the never ascend again one. I mean what are you going to do when the limit is raised to 20 ascentions? or 30? But you can not ascend anymore? I would have to really think that one over.

I voted no but after thinking it over alittle while as long as its our choice then I'm ok with it. If someone wants to no longer be able to ascend further then I'm ok with that.

what about not being able to ascend for 6 weeks or something after you help your main account? I think this may work, however, if implemented it should be with a Lot of caution.

Lore wrote:I like most of the ideas but I don't like the never ascend again one. I mean what are you going to do when the limit is raised to 20 ascentions? or 30? But you can not ascend anymore? I would have to really think that one over.

I voted no but after thinking it over alittle while as long as its our choice then I'm ok with it. If someone wants to no longer be able to ascend further then I'm ok with that.

Like I said, it is a one-way street, with definite ramifications in the long-term should people be allowed to do a bunch more ascensions. Frankly I don't see myself doing anymore ascensions, regardless what the limit goes up to. Plus if it does go up, it will give those that are behind me even more of an opportunity to catch up. And yes, it is a choice. And it rewards people who actually played ascension rather than people who ascended for the main bonuses. But those of you who are worried about never being able to catch the big guys in ascension, this is the best solution out there to remedy that. I can tell you that I, for one, would severely curtail my growth in ascension to get more benefits in main.

Jason is bending over backwards to make sure that the little guys don't get screwed in ascension. How about a little bending over backwards for those who played ascension properly, at the expense to their main accounts?

Shooting Star wrote:

Lore wrote:I like most of the ideas but I don't like the never ascend again one. I mean what are you going to do when the limit is raised to 20 ascentions? or 30? But you can not ascend anymore? I would have to really think that one over.

I voted no but after thinking it over alittle while as long as its our choice then I'm ok with it. If someone wants to no longer be able to ascend further then I'm ok with that.

Like I said, it is a one-way street, with definite ramifications in the long-term should people be allowed to do a bunch more ascensions. Frankly I don't see myself doing anymore ascensions, regardless what the limit goes up to. Plus if it does go up, it will give those that are behind me even more of an opportunity to catch up. And yes, it is a choice. And it rewards people who actually played ascension rather than people who ascended for the main bonuses. But those of you who are worried about never being able to catch the big guys in ascension, this is the best solution out there to remedy that. I can tell you that I, for one, would severely curtail my growth in ascension to get more benefits in main.

Jason is bending over backwards to make sure that the little guys don't get screwed in ascension. How about a little bending over backwards for those who played ascension properly, at the expense to their main accounts?

i agree 100% with what you said shooting star.
the one's who did there ascentions like it was ment to be should get a "bonus" or benifit in main.
they earn that.

the current decention update isn't like i thought it would be,so in some way it would be a compensation for the guys who spended loads in there ascention accounts.

but that's just my vision on the ascention server

Lord_Zeus wrote:what about not being able to ascend for 6 weeks or something after you help your main account? I think this may work, however, if implemented it should be with a Lot of caution.

Nope, that won't work. If you allow that, then people would feed their main account with their ascension account, get superpowerful in main and amass a huge amount of APP to do a super ascension. Thus you would be fueling the ascension process with your ascension account. It has to be a "quit ascending or don't do it at all" type of thing.

This is the only way that those of us who worked hard in ascension have a chance to level the playing field in main for those who chose not to take up lots of resources and have just spent all their time building up their stats in main. If someone who quick ascended six times and hasn't touched their ascension account since gets the same bonuses in main as someone who took their time and cultivated their ascension account, then something is severely wrong. Descension is a joke; it doesn't work. I have one of the biggest accounts in ascension and it means exactly SQUAT. I can't do anything to anybody else because of damage caps and rank modifiers. I lose 1700 planets when attacking a 0 defense realm. So should I be lucky enough to mass someone's defense down to 0, there is better than a 50% chance that I am going to get less planets from a raid than I lose in the attack.

Shooting Star wrote:

Lord_Zeus wrote:what about not being able to ascend for 6 weeks or something after you help your main account? I think this may work, however, if implemented it should be with a Lot of caution.

Nope, that won't work. If you allow that, then people would feed their main account with their ascension account, get superpowerful in main and amass a huge amount of APP to do a super ascension. Thus you would be fueling the ascension process with your ascension account. It has to be a "quit ascending or don't do it at all" type of thing.

This is the only way that those of us who worked hard in ascension have a chance to level the playing field in main for those who chose not to take up lots of resources and have just spent all their time building up their stats in main. If someone who quick ascended six times and hasn't touched their ascension account since gets the same bonuses in main as someone who took their time and cultivated their ascension account, then something is severely wrong. Descension is a joke; it doesn't work. I have one of the biggest accounts in ascension and it means exactly SQUAT. I can't do anything to anybody else because of damage caps and rank modifiers. I lose 1700 planets when attacking a 0 defense realm. So should I be lucky enough to mass someone's defense down to 0, there is better than a 50% chance that I am going to get less planets from a raid than I lose in the attack.

After reading more and more of your posts things are appearing clearer now.

There is a definite imbalance that needs to be addressed.

Lore wrote:

Shooting Star wrote:

Lord_Zeus wrote:what about not being able to ascend for 6 weeks or something after you help your main account? I think this may work, however, if implemented it should be with a Lot of caution.

Nope, that won't work. If you allow that, then people would feed their main account with their ascension account, get superpowerful in main and amass a huge amount of APP to do a super ascension. Thus you would be fueling the ascension process with your ascension account. It has to be a "quit ascending or don't do it at all" type of thing.

This is the only way that those of us who worked hard in ascension have a chance to level the playing field in main for those who chose not to take up lots of resources and have just spent all their time building up their stats in main. If someone who quick ascended six times and hasn't touched their ascension account since gets the same bonuses in main as someone who took their time and cultivated their ascension account, then something is severely wrong. Descension is a joke; it doesn't work. I have one of the biggest accounts in ascension and it means exactly SQUAT. I can't do anything to anybody else because of damage caps and rank modifiers. I lose 1700 planets when attacking a 0 defense realm. So should I be lucky enough to mass someone's defense down to 0, there is better than a 50% chance that I am going to get less planets from a raid than I lose in the attack.

After reading more and more of your posts things are appearing clearer now.

There is a definite imbalance that needs to be addressed.

Agreed, and voted yes.

Maby im not reading this right but then those who are powerful on ascended can then make their main more powerful, and with their massive power they wont be effected much by these conversions, and will still go on ruling the ascended and now dominating the main server. This update wont completly devistate the powerful ascended's accounts so dont make it sound like it will. This is only going to make it worse for those weak ascended on the main server.
I say that we get some kind of neutral party suggest a solution to this power gap problem because you are clearly proposing supposed solutions that only really benefit the powerful.

The Four Horsemen wrote:Maby im not reading this right but then those who are powerful on ascended can then make their main more powerful, and with their massive power they wont be effected much by these conversions, and will still go on ruling the ascended and now dominating the main server. This update wont completly devistate the powerful ascended's accounts so dont make it sound like it will. This is only going to make it worse for those weak ascended on the main server.
I say that we get some kind of neutral party suggest a solution to this power gap problem because you are clearly proposing supposed solutions that only really benefit the powerful.

Devastate? No but if you knew the rate at which a large member such as say me, are growing at, you'd understand why there's such a huge gap. Slowing us down would do some serious help in allowing people to close that gap.

I personally am at a point that Mojo was at a while ago. I'm extremely powerful in ascended, with quite a few ascensions left to do, but realatively weak in ascended. I would actually enjoy the ability to send resources back to my main account to help power it. I do think that you should be able to still ascend though. Just make it so that any resources that you send back to your main account aren't worth as much as when it goes back up. Or otherwise, make the exchange rate such that you can't profit from it.

if you do grow at such a large rate then skimming a little off the top of your ascended to add up and help your main wont close a power gap as big as all of you say it is it will just screw over the weaker players in the main server creating an unfair advantage and probably another level gap there bringing us back to where we started

The Four Horsemen wrote:if you do grow at such a large rate then skimming a little off the top of your ascended to add up and help your main wont close a power gap as big as all of you say it is it will just screw over the weaker players in the main server creating an unfair advantage and probably another level gap there bringing us back to where we started

Assuming that this: The Four Horsemen
The Apocalypse 2205 8,560(3,362) Planets Tolah 882,684 Dark Matter Units

Is you, then I make about 17 times more planets in one day than you have total planets.

Do you understand what I mean by a massive growth?