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I thought you needed to have a 0 defense before successfully attacking an ascended being one on one but that was not the case in a recent battle...Lajh can correspond with this statement.

06:08 **** ascendedAttack 54,718 Life Force Lost 99 0 526 3,401,222,400 **,***,932,482

Post the full attack log please. You can very easily attack while they still have a def, but it's detrimental. He should have lost a large amount of his striking ability.

i can confirm this, ive hit an omega member with descention over his def, didnt know whether it was a bug or admin made it so

Apparantly you can do 2things.

1. hit over their defense and if you're lucky do enough damage.
2. if they have crap defense it doesnt count.

As far as I know defense like you see it doesnt count anyway, meh.

12:12 **** ascendedAttack 52,235 Life Force Lost 99 0 438 3 33,451,102,831 details
10:43 AEgidius Raid 136 Undeveloped Planets lost
3,486 Labour lost 15 0 221 3 4,408,997,378 details
10:43 AEgidius Raid 80 Undeveloped Planets lost
4,706 Labour lost 15 0 223 3 4,524,860,284 details
10:42 AEgidius Raid 109 Undeveloped Planets lost
3,378 Labour lost 15 0 225 3 4,862,104,101 details
10:42 AEgidius Raid 91 Undeveloped Planets lost
3,835 Labour lost 15 5 228 127,545,840 5,102,495,964 details
10:42 AEgidius Raid 99 Undeveloped Planets lost
6,421 Labour lost 15 10 230 301,592,767 5,297,805,000 details
10:40 AEgidius Raid 123 Undeveloped Planets lost
4,315 Labour lost 15 15 232 373,337,302 4,901,593,500 details
10:39 AEgidius Raid 96 Undeveloped Planets lost
3,551 Labour lost 15 25 235 588,570,907 4,963,517,524 details
10:39 AEgidius Raid 107 Undeveloped Planets lost
3,754 Labour lost 15 30 237 751,989,015 5,050,731,269 details
10:39 AEgidius Raid 112 Undeveloped Planets lost
5,132 Labour lost 15 35 239 967,222,620 5,306,310,000 details
10:38 AEgidius Raid 91 Undeveloped Planets lost
5,281 Labour lost 15 55 180 1,130,640,727 4,213,345,200 details
10:38 AEgidius Raid 84 Undeveloped Planets lost
3,464 Labour lost 15 55 170 1,251,543,555 4,391,285,273 details
10:37 AEgidius Raid 89 Undeveloped Planets lost
4,589 Labour lost 15 55 174 1,270,143,990 4,527,957,744 details
10:37 AEgidius Raid 137 Undeveloped Planets lost
6,321 Labour lost 15 60 167 1,392,375,420 4,731,764,501 details
10:37 AEgidius Raid 91 Undeveloped Planets lost
4,359 Labour lost 15 60 157 1,527,892,875 4,825,600,628 details
10:36 AEgidius Raid 114 Undeveloped Planets lost
3,840 Labour lost 15 65 154 1,616,909,242 5,003,327,601 details
10:36 AEgidius Raid 84 Undeveloped Planets lost
3,717 Labour lost 15 70 143 1,805,570,797 5,148,411,890 details
10:35 AEgidius Raid 150 Undeveloped Planets lost
3,927 Labour lost 15 70 145 1,860,043,500 5,346,000,000 details
06:09 **** Raid 179 Undeveloped Planets lost
8,973 Labour lost 15 120 514 1,994,232,352 42,589,639,222 details
06:08 **** ascendedAttack 54,718 Life Force Lost 99 0 526 3,401,222,400 35,609,932,482 details

as you can see his strike was not really effected or did you mean this log...
with defense:
General Cote resisted the aggressors with:
26,265 Interlinked Defender and 0 Defender worlds.


4,000 Interlinked Defender deployed Multiversic Phase Networks
22265 Interlinked Defender had no fleets!



For ages the battle rages on across planets, galaxies and centuries....Finally... it is decided!




General Cote was commanding Hell Bound, thier Personal Command Star.




Venger ruthlessly and relentlessly assult the worlds, fleets and populations of Bahutra System {Omega}, inflicting 35,609,932,482 damage .
Many suffered, generations knew nothing but war, and in the end - ontop of countless populations ...
526 of General Cote's worlds were completely destroyed!



General Cote's forces of Bahutra System {Omega} retaliated, inflincting 3,401,222,400 physical damage on Venger, which results in personal energy damage of 1,904 to Venger






Venger defeated the fleets of General Cote, thier petty physical war machines bested on this plane
The fleets of General Cote retreat quickly once defeat was secured!


Having beat the physical defences, with some life force still remaining, Venger moves to meet General Cote in a one on one Ascended Battle!





Starting with 23,834 weildable life force, with 140,163 attack potential after engaging the physical forces standing in their way, and accounting for energy attack power and skill,Venger meets General Cote - with 22,976 life force capable of being used in battle- in an ascended match of epic magnitude!
Simutaneously, the two ascended beings launch ascended energy attacks on each other. Time stands still, the surrounding physical plane crackles with diffusing power, and the entire Ascended plane shudders while the battle rages.
Venger impales General Cote with 140,163 of ascended damage.
The energy absorbing power, skill, and the unique skill of energy repulsion -usable only within ones own realm, and their constitution, lessens this by 85,445 to 54,718 total damage taken, thereby reducing their life force and reserves by this amount.

General Cote, at the same time, hits Venger with 197,134 total power, while also repulsing 26,315 of Venger's own attack back at them, for a total of 223,449 potential damage! This, though, by the energy absorbing power and skill of Venger, and their own constitution, reduces by 116,055 resulting in 107,394 total damage inflicted by General Cote on Venger!


Without:
General Cote resisted the aggressors with:
21,865 Interlinked Defender and 0 Defender worlds.


0 Interlinked Defender deployed
21865 Interlinked Defender had no fleets!



For ages the battle rages on across planets, galaxies and centuries....Finally... it is decided!




General Cote was commanding Hell Bound, thier Personal Command Star.




Venger ruthlessly and relentlessly assult the worlds, fleets and populations of Bahutra System {Omega}, inflicting 33,451,102,831 damage .
Many suffered, generations knew nothing but war, and in the end - ontop of countless populations ...
438 of General Cote's worlds were completely destroyed!



General Cote's forces of Bahutra System {Omega} retaliated, inflincting 3 physical damage on Venger, which results in personal energy damage of 0 to Venger






Venger drained the fleets of General Cote, thier petty physical war machines bested on this plane
The fleets of General Cote retreat quickly once defeat was secured!


Having beat the physical defences, with some life force still remaining, Venger moves to meet General Cote in a one on one Ascended Battle!





Starting with 23,834 weildable life force, with 133,804 attack potential after engaging the physical forces standing in their way, and accounting for energy attack power and skill,Venger meets General Cote - with 22,976 life force capable of being used in battle- in an ascended match of epic magnitude!
Simutaneously, the two ascended beings launch ascended energy attacks on each other. Time stands still, the surrounding physical plane crackles with diffusing power, and the entire Ascended plane shudders while the battle rages.
Venger impales General Cote with 133,804 of ascended damage.
The energy absorbing power, skill, and the unique skill of energy repulsion -usable only within ones own realm, and their constitution, lessens this by 81,569 to 52,235 total damage taken, thereby reducing their life force and reserves by this amount.

General Cote, at the same time, hits Venger with 197,134 total power, while also repulsing 25,121 of Venger's own attack back at them, for a total of 222,255 potential damage! This, though, by the energy absorbing power and skill of Venger, and their own constitution, reduces by 115,434 resulting in 106,821 total damage inflicted by General Cote on Venger!

Both parties are exhausted, these battles being very taxing on ones being. While the battle is now over, it is also not finished. It has will finish in 4 real hours (or 4 eons ingame time). Yes - linear time is one of the things that are left behind in the ascended planes.

Regardless, the two ascended beings have will part ways, and both wonder about the next time they meet....


NOT a big difference at all

I know when Jake went to descend me earlier today he suffered no losses when attacking. His strike was more than 10 times my defense though, so that may be a factor.

I only lost a few hundred planets though, so not much of a difference.

i think in personal attacks:
attackers never loose planets , defenders always do.
attackers additional physical power wont be added to the LF damage
defenders additional defense power is added to LF counter damage (rate is around 1LF per 3.5mil def i think)

in the intial deascensiond escription jason said:

You must first beat their physical defences (advisable to remove them before trying a personal attack on them!), and only then will you be able to assault them directly.

the comment in brackets makes it more clearer, that its only advised to destroy the def first. perosnally i dont think its bad ths way because it actually helps the attackers more then the defenders (and thats rare nowadays)

attacking someone personally that has got a 35bil def might hurt a bit more then attacking someone at 0 or close to that

Munchy wrote:I know when Jake went to descend me earlier today he suffered no losses when attacking. His strike was more than 10 times my defense though, so that may be a factor.

I only lost a few hundred planets though, so not much of a difference.

See that's not entirely true, Admin has previously said that you can attack them personally while they have a defence, it is easier when they don't...

When I attacked Munchy and he had a defence Munchy's defence did a little over 5k ascended life force damage to me, yes I almsot cried

RepliJake wrote:

Munchy wrote:I know when Jake went to descend me earlier today he suffered no losses when attacking. His strike was more than 10 times my defense though, so that may be a factor.

I only lost a few hundred planets though, so not much of a difference.

See that's not entirely true, Admin has previously said that you can attack them personally while they have a defence, it is easier when they don't...

When I attacked Munchy and he had a defence Munchy's defence did a little over 5k ascended life force damage to me, yes I almsot cried

yeah little things make little jakey cry...still, I....errr...Venger stole same amount of LF off cote without def and later with 3 bil def