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introduce deascension malus

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:43 am
by Ston
maybe it would be a good idea to increase the effect of deascension on the main account a bit more.


reasoning: quite simple, with the current war ongoing we had the ability to watch the effect of being deascended for some time now and im pretty sure everyone will admit, it doesnt hurt the effected players that much.

ascension was meant to to step up from your mortal existance and gain power thru your worshippers. therfor your troops are at high moral and work/fight better with every reascension you take(up to ~35% better).

Now ,once a god is deascended, the worshippers noticing their god is actually just a wannabe and will loose faith in his power. the loyality of soldiers and the fear to be pusnished is gone as long their god is not around (not on asc server)...

therfor i propose, not only all ascension stat boni should be taken away BUT the deascended player should also receive a malus of his normal boost (-30% on all stats for deascended lg+1)!

Due to the nature of such a change, the small players wont notice a big difference, and the big players will be reminded that they actually need to do more work keeping the boni then pressing the "ascend" button 6 times in a lifetime.

thanks
~ston

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:03 pm
by ~Phoenix~
Idk what malus means if its like permanent though then no I dont think anything should be permanent with descension.

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:25 pm
by Shalak
So if a prior is decended then he/she get a -5% to all stats for the period of decension. seems like an alright idea. it would certianly bother everyone who was decended

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:49 pm
by The Xeno
Sounds good... though -35% would be devastating.
Still, given that they will have been recieving a 35% bonus for the duration of their LG+ ascended life (which has probably been for more than 14 days... it won't be as if they're losing anything.

And running the figures, it's not to, to bad. A descended LG+ with a 40bill basic strike would be cut down to only 30bill... I've encountered worse rank mods :P

I'd vote yes to this. :D

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:00 am
by Ston
~Phoenix~ wrote:Idk what malus means if its like permanent though then no I dont think anything should be permanent with descension.


not permanently, only for the time being deascended (=>2 weeks) then tey will get the positive % again. malus just means they get a negative percentage (=punishment) on their stats according to their ascension level (prior -5%, prophet -10% etc..) when they are deascended.

those who voted no, could you please tell me why youa re against this?

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:45 am
by Lord_Zeus
No, reason, 27/29 of the players on the first page are CoP, you guys are ridiculously overpowered there... (good work on getting that way... but time to mabye shuffle things around a bit) If CoP disbanded... and mabye omega/dd/dde I'd say yes. With you guys having a stranglehold on the game adding more bonuses there... does nothing but help you in main. However as a strategic thing.. I think it would be good :)

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:19 pm
by Lore
Ston wrote:
those who voted no, could you please tell me why youa re against this?



The reason I say no is this.

It is possible to stay deascended permanently. Therefore it is possible to have the -35(or appropriate amount) on all stats. Thats why I say no.

I'm not totally against it but the way the two servers are set up now I am definietly against it.

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:29 am
by Psi Kiya Trist
Lore wrote:
Ston wrote:
those who voted no, could you please tell me why youa re against this?



The reason I say no is this.

It is possible to stay deascended permanently. Therefore it is possible to have the -35(or appropriate amount) on all stats. Thats why I say no.

I'm not totally against it but the way the two servers are set up now I am definietly against it.


if i heard correctly when i read the updates, descended for two weeks, and can't be descended for 2 weeks after that... but i may be wrong...

~_+Psi Kiya Trist+_~

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:57 am
by Hensenshi
Descended for 30 days, able to access ascended account after 14 days.

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:33 am
by Lore
You are still concidered Deascended all 30 days correct?

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 8:46 am
by Hensenshi
Lore wrote:You are still concidered Deascended all 30 days correct?


Yup, but while you're descended, you have 16 days that you can build your ascended account up.

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:37 am
by Lore
In reference to the topic if you are deascended and the - stats last for the entire 30 days then my point stands that it is possible for a person to stay in the - stat range permanently. Thats why I don't like the idea.

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:42 am
by Lore
Ston wrote:
~Phoenix~ wrote:Idk what malus means if its like permanent though then no I dont think anything should be permanent with descension.


not permanently, only for the time being deascended (=>2 weeks) then tey will get the positive % again. malus just means they get a negative percentage (=punishment) on their stats according to their ascension level (prior -5%, prophet -10% etc..) when they are deascended.

those who voted no, could you please tell me why youa re against this?


To clarify, Deascention last 30 days. You get 2 weeks that you are frozen and con not grow. Then you get 2 weeks on ppt.

If you are refering to just 2 weeks with negative stats thats different.
I still dont like it as the way deasention is designed now once you are beat down you can not get back up unless your attack choses to leave you be. If a person wanted to they could sit on an ascended account from now on and the negative stats would effect the account for 6 month's out of the year.

I like the idea just not with the way ascention/deascention works right now.

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:02 am
by TORN4DO
i vote against it :)

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:41 am
by Ston
no problem for me but ims ure many other would lie to hear your reasoning.

and as a side note: the exact time for deascension is 2 weeks, afterwards account can be accessed again (+2 days on ppt afterwards)

so the proposed base stats - asc bonus would be for 2 weeks only.