Religious debate
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:12 am
That's a very interesting discussion so I moved it here so it won't die in the temple. (Hope the mods won't get angry at me for doing this)
As I said, this is FAITH so nothing can be proven.
Let's assume God exists. Is it possible He created the universe altogether with the whole evidence pointing something else? Yes. (He created it 2 secs ago, why not?)
Let's assume God doesn't exist. Is the above possible? No, cos God doesn't exist so the universe had to be created in a different way.
Both assumptions are matter of FAITH, nobody can prove or disprove God's existence so any "rational" arguments are pointless, will never be settled and ppl taking part in them will look stupid, ignorant, stubborn and only get pissed off at the end.
Regarding the miracles in the Bible. These are also matter of faith. If one believes they really happened it may point at God, or the Goa'uld (or Asgard).
Come_Forth, I don't follow what you said 'bout free will. Elaborate plz.
Come_Forth wrote:
Sorry Spacey for turning everything into religion threads, but here it goes.
I do not say that no god exists only that most of the major ones do not exist, there could be some form of god, but I am not going to worship it. It is not a matter of faith, but a lack of proof. If I told you that I talk to fairies every night you would not believe me, so I would have to produce evidence that the fairies existed. The same is true with god it is stupid to say that no god exists, but I do not like the idea of faith without evidence. Let's say that someone said that god was everywhere, this cannot be proven because humans cannot be everywhere at once to see if god was there (if you could detect it) That is my main point is that it is just faith. To some degree every religionist is an athiest because they do not believe that every other god is real, only their god(s).
Jack O'Neill wrote:Come_Forth wrote:Corran Horn wrote:lack of proof... that's why it's called FAITH because it's impossible to prove. if there was a proof it would be called KNOWLEDGE. (and when you read the bible you know god for some reason doesn't want it to became knowledge, i'd like to know why)
and you might find some evidence that fairies exist here
Haha I always knew that fairies were real
Well, Christians believe that God wants us to have free will and if there were concrete existence of God then we would not have free will. I don't buy that argument on several grounds the first of which is that when you read the Bible there are all sorts of miracles (evidence) so if God did not mind harming their free will then it is a pointless argument based on those grounds. Also, if you buy into that argument then does not evolution look so much better since God is hiding? If you believe in Intelligent Design then there is proof of God so where is the free will? Another point is this, in the mind of a Christian what could possibly prove to them that God their God does not exist? What I mean by this is that when you are dealing with science you can prove that an idea is wrong so science is falsifible. When dealing with faith their is an intelligent answer to everything, nothing can disprove the Bible. Let's take the age of the earth as an example most conservative Christians say that the universe is only 6,000 years old even though science says it is billions. Is that a problem to them? Of course not, they have a brilliant(not being sarcastic) answer that says that God just created the universe to appear old just as Adam and Eve were created as adults and not children. Sure the answer makes sense, but if you believe that then you are going against the evidence. See that is my problem by faith they disbelieve the evidence.
Debates mean nothing really, I lose some and I win some. Have I changed my mind? I got converted from Christianity, but that is not the norm, usually debates only make people believe more in their ideas.
Sounds like you argued with some pretty weak Christians that did not know all the scientific answers as for the age of the universe there is evidence that conflicts with science's answer as to how old it is however I wish not to get into this debate as my memory is quite rusty on the topic I have studied it extensively in the past and both arguments neither prove nor disprove the other unless you want to add the different theories which I don't since they both conflict with each other anyways
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btw, ive tried to convince a cristian of evolution.
i hated it, no matter how much evidence i gave him he simple said "its statisticly impossibe" (people who say that usualy do not grasp the scales of the time limits and how free and fluid evolution is)
so the other guy debating and i asked him to prove god
As I said, this is FAITH so nothing can be proven.
Let's assume God exists. Is it possible He created the universe altogether with the whole evidence pointing something else? Yes. (He created it 2 secs ago, why not?)
Let's assume God doesn't exist. Is the above possible? No, cos God doesn't exist so the universe had to be created in a different way.
Both assumptions are matter of FAITH, nobody can prove or disprove God's existence so any "rational" arguments are pointless, will never be settled and ppl taking part in them will look stupid, ignorant, stubborn and only get pissed off at the end.
Regarding the miracles in the Bible. These are also matter of faith. If one believes they really happened it may point at God, or the Goa'uld (or Asgard).
Come_Forth, I don't follow what you said 'bout free will. Elaborate plz.