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As far as I'm aware the covert system on main works that if you have 1/5 the covert you can see how much naq they have out, covert in ascended works like 3/1 or something... I'm not sure that this is needed in such a harsh ratio, unless you have an exceptionally high covert for your stats, you can't see anyones dmu out except for 10 pages below you, which then becomes a problem as the rank modifiers kick in and it becomes very hard to hit people for naq... just hit someone who had like 2 bil out and got 600 mil from it. I'm wondering if this ratio couldnt be changed to 1:1, this way you can attack those on equal footing as you, and the rank modifier doesnt kick in so harshly. planets have mabye at 3:1 or 5:1. I think it creates an entire system of having to attack down for inferior amounts of naq.

What say you? People of the mob

Just because you cant see their dmu/planets doesnt mean you cant spy them

Hells__Angel wrote:Just because you cant see their dmu/planets doesnt mean you cant spy them

But how can we know we can spy them if we dont see their dmu?

Apophis The Great wrote:

Hells__Angel wrote:Just because you cant see their dmu/planets doesnt mean you cant spy them

But how can we know we can spy them if we dont see their dmu?

take a guess based on your covert rank against their rank and allow for the modifier to either help you or not.

I can tell you the exact ratios you need to see each level without spying

DMU: 3x enemy covert
DMU and number of planets: 5x enemy covert
DMU, number of planets, and number of military planets (covert, assassin, attack, and defense, you know, the number in parentheses): 15x enemy covert.

nomis_17 wrote:

Apophis The Great wrote:

Hells__Angel wrote:Just because you cant see their dmu/planets doesnt mean you cant spy them

But how can we know we can spy them if we dont see their dmu?

take a guess based on your covert rank against their rank and allow for the modifier to either help you or not.

Plus, if you're below their covert, it's pretty rare that you lose your covert planets. I can spy on people with far above my covert and still not lose my spies. Granted, if I tried to spy on Mojo Rising or Sinister I'd fail, but if I wanted to know their stats I'd just ask.

hmmm fair enough then, though I'm still not sure if its worth spying on 10 people to get 1 dmu hit... still creates the attacking down thing.

Lord_Zeus wrote:hmmm fair enough then, though I'm still not sure if its worth spying on 10 people to get 1 dmu hit... still creates the attacking down thing.

I agree with you. With some of the largest people hiding their power in lower ranks, there's no telling who you might run into. You're gambling your spies every time, and as you start to get a lot of them, losing even a small percentage can set you back days or weeks. Not something I like to risk for a DMU hit that is no more than a few hours worth of my own income.

To illustrate this point, this person was about 4 pages below me, rank mod gave me 110%

Your 210,000 Intelligence stealth into the realm of ******* .
You have been discovered! 42000 of your Intelligence are captured, and are forced to divulge their planets of origin. Under Ascended Laws, the penelty for beings caught in such actions is destruction of their home world! Additionally, ******** is surely now watching you closely.

Thats about 3 days production for me? Tad ridiculous, it forces you to attack down.

Hmm... just lost another 30k or so doing that. I really do think this system needs to be changed, it might be alright for people with very high coverts, rank 50 above mabye, but for the majority of people its just not working. You can say build larger coverts... but if everyone does that it has no effect and your back to the same situation.

Lord_Zeus wrote:Hmm... just lost another 30k or so doing that. I really do think this system needs to be changed, it might be alright for people with very high coverts, rank 50 above mabye, but for the majority of people its just not working. You can say build larger coverts... but if everyone does that it has no effect and your back to the same situation.

In fact, I believe the lack of visibility is what drives the covert race. You can never seem to get enough, and as long as everyone thinks this way, you can't.