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Ascension is the most balanced server in the game. It is the only server where you absolutely have to be powerful in all stats of the game to be successful. You cannot sacrifice one stat or concentrate in just one area because you can get messed up really easily if you do.

Now as I have said before and I will suggest it again, I am all for being able to transfer ascension resources to the main accounts for the price of NOT being able to ascend again EVER. I will gladly make myself a little more vulnerable in ascension to gain back a little power in main. It would actually let me do SOMETHING with my ascension account because currently I can do nothing with it.

Now, 1 trillion DMU converted to LF and then converted into APP would be a little over 3 million APP which converts to 18 trillion Naquadah. So I would be fine with that (even though I would LOVE to be able to convert the APP into units as well but Naquadah seems to be the only acceptable medium for everyone involved).

Here is my suggestion: 1.) in order to participate in this plan, you forgo any further ascension attempts you may have (or may gain in the future).
2.) in the Cosmic Trade Screen, you will still be able to convert DMU into LF, but there will then be another key where you can convert LF into APP to transfer back to your main account.
3.) there is an exchange rate penalty if your ascension account size is smaller than your main account. Basically, the amount of APP converted into Naquadah is multiplied by your army size in ascension/army size in main (if ascension is less than main; sorry guys, no INCREASES are available if you are smaller in main than in ascension).
4.) This Naquadah can only be used by the account that it is transferred to. It will not be a cheap way to give or get resources for non-ascended accounts or accounts that have not completed all of their ascensions. People can still attack you for the Naquadah and might even succeed in stealing it but will be unable to use it as it vaporizes into the ethereal mist.

I believe this will fuel the ascension server and the ascension process on main. People will want to ascend now to be able to eventually transfer their resources back to main. And it is available to everyone. It's just that some people who ascended well have an advantage over the quick ascenders. And it is not overbalancing, as it doesn't give an overwhelming advantage in main.

i respect your view, but i feel converting 1tril DMU into 18trill naq in main is a bit too much imo.

i haveno idea of knowing how much naq you invested in ascension, but being able to get that much naq would be giving top ascenants way to much extra on main. i mean to say that yes you sacrificed a lot for your account. (i for one, plan to do the same because i love ascension)

But honestly how long does it take you to make 1trill?? i can only guess... i am going to guess you can make that in one day...
that means you could fuel your main indefinitly (face it, you're untouchable in ascension) with a lot of naq.

i also think that would be a bit unfair versus non-ascended ppl. they madea choice not to ascend. it already worse enough for them we have better weapons, ascension bonus kicking in. being able to get this much naq in transfer would be very unfair against die-hard non-ascendents.


my view on it, i don't mean to break down your suggestion but i strongly believe getting 18tril naq out of it is a bit too much.

with respect,

I think its a load of horse s*** that you now get to keep "some" of your main MS while ascending. It just encourages people to ascend. It doesn't send the message of what ascension really is: sacrifice.

18 trill per 1 trill DMU

you would have what you invested back in a couple weeks while still being invulnerable .........freaking idiot....

Maybe try some real suggestiong instead of these circus acts .....

You got the top spot there be happy with it or else just push the descend button there is no fair way of transferring ascended to main account....

Then take the freaking shackles off me in ascension. No rank mods, no damage caps, no nothing. If it is supposed to be a skill server let's let it be a skill server. If I can descend someone in one hit, hey presto! they should be descended.

Secondly, let's link vacation modes in main and ascension. If you are in vacation on one, you are on vacation in the other.

Otherwise, I should be able to transfer resources back to main because my ascension account isn't worth a damn right now.

Raven wrote:18 trill per 1 trill DMU

you would have what you invested back in a couple weeks while still being invulnerable .........freaking idiot....

Maybe try some real suggestiong instead of these circus acts .....

You got the top spot there be happy with it or else just push the descend button there is no fair way of transferring ascended to main account....

18tril for 1tril dmu is about right for me though. Just admit it you hate mojo and you arent ever going to agree on what he sais. hes above everyone so ignore those few who jhavew tons and think of everyone else for a change.

~Phoenix~ wrote:

Raven wrote:18 trill per 1 trill DMU

you would have what you invested back in a couple weeks while still being invulnerable .........freaking idiot....

Maybe try some real suggestiong instead of these circus acts .....

You got the top spot there be happy with it or else just push the descend button there is no fair way of transferring ascended to main account....

18tril for 1tril dmu is about right for me though. Just admit it you hate mojo and you arent ever going to agree on what he sais. hes above everyone so ignore those few who jhavew tons and think of everyone else for a change.

How would do be about right for you.....a couple of these transfers and you got all you had invested back......and why do i hate mojo when im just totally not agreeing with his ideas.......you know his income you know why this would be just idiotic if admin would put this in ......


18 trillz you guys are talking like you put 500 trills in every month just play and stop making such outrageous suggestions....Ascensions shouldnt be about returning the goods back to main and eventually make huge profits of it

Well I disagree and think it should be, and this is a suggestions thread, so instead of suggesting you dont think it should be put in please suggest ways for it to be put in.

~Phoenix~ wrote:Well I disagree and think it should be, and this is a suggestions thread, so instead of suggesting you dont think it should be put in please suggest ways for it to be put in.

well i understand it would be a cheap way to get back the stuff you put in ....

I know a better suggestion use the rate of 1 trill dmu for 18 trillz naq but when you took as much as you put in in all your ascensions your account vaporizes :p

Raven wrote:

~Phoenix~ wrote:Well I disagree and think it should be, and this is a suggestions thread, so instead of suggesting you dont think it should be put in please suggest ways for it to be put in.

well i understand it would be a cheap way to get back the stuff you put in ....

I know a better suggestion use the rate of 1 trill dmu for 18 trillz naq but when you took as much as you put in in all your ascensions your account vaporizes :p

Cant do that, didnt put trillions in when we first ascended but what we did put in were equivalent to that much.

I just think LF should be convertible to naq, or a stat boost or something. Mojo and some will always be aheead but thats no reason to justify not doing it.

AS I sugested in STI's thrread a simple way of solving it is the bigger u get the less boosts u get.

IE: 10mil planets may get you a 10% boost on main, but 20mil may get you an 18% boost, 30mil gets you a 24% boost and so on.

hmm. what's the income cap on ascension? is there a way around it like in chaos lol? i think if the rank 1, rank 5, rank 10, rank 20, rank 30, rank 50, rank 100, rank 200, rank 500, rank 1000 rank 2000 or somewhere close all posted their stats we could have a better idea of how much it would benefit people.

1. i don't see why u can't ascend again if u sent stuff back, what is ur reasoning behind that?

2. i don't think 1 tril DMU in ascension for 18 tril in main is a good rate, sounds too nice...

3. lol is this just a penalty or a great bonus for u? i can see the reason for there being a penalty (easier to grow while small), but what u suggested is so wrong because it just means if ur powerful in ascension, u can send lots back to a main account in 1 hit making that really powerful. how about if u had 1mil planets in ascension and 1 unit in main, king return!!

4. fair enough, can't transfer in ascension, shouldn't be able to move it to main to transfer...but then again u can always buy units with it, then transfer those.

No. I've posted many ideas to try and have ascended effect main all of which were shot down. This is incredibly imbalanced and shows no attempt on your part to come to a compromise.

No.

You chose to spend a lot of resources on ascended and parade around claiming you did the right thing and played the game well. I say big whoop your rank 1 have fun with that. You wasted your uu and naq, played it poorly by not quick ascending.

Ascended is good as it is, it doesnt effect your main account unless you let it. Lets keep it that way.

The only suggestion I can make on this topic is If you wanted to do a "reverse ascention" (Effectively sending godly goods to the mortal relm) then it should be similar to ascention in main. You should not have a choice on the goods sent. Admin should set an amount to stay in ascended (30% or 50% or so) and the rest of your ascended account is to be sacrifised to boost your main account. Ultimately choosing how much to transfer is a bad idea to me.

Also I think these reverse ascentions should be limited in numbers as well.

I think ascention is not balanced at all. The original idea is a good one and if it had been played as intended it would be, but the introduction of alliances and the fact the game was ingnored by admin for over 2 yrs sealed its fate. I still do not understand the concept of wanting people to play a server but making it where the can be completely forced out of the server by other players and never be allowed to play it. It makes no sense. I think the caps and rank modifiers are total crap as well.

Something needs to change, I'm not sure what exactly but something got to change.

I still think tieing your raidable resource planets to your CER is a small step in the right direction. As it is now a rank 5 account with rank 5 influence can be taken to 0 in all stats and influence dropped below 5K in less then a turn.

There is no incentive to ascend or play ascended other then the main bonuses. I think this is the root problem.
Instead of giving 5% bonuses per ascention make the bonuses tied to you ascended account size. Doing this means you will need to do someting to stop the complete raiding away of accounts tho.

Well I will stop now.


P.S. Why are we still hiding the ascended path? if you want people to play why not go ahead and make it public?

Despite all you say, ascension and main are linked. If you don't think that they should be, then give up your bonuses from being ascended as well as the weaponry. I will be happy with that. But let's face it, if you are going to handcuff me in main AND ascension for playing well, then let me at least make one of my accounts viable in some way. I notice that none of you said word one when updates came out that benefitted you, ie. every update so far. For crying out loud, let's make an update that actually benefits EVERYONE for a change.

Shooting Star wrote:Despite all you say, ascension and main are linked. If you don't think that they should be, then give up your bonuses from being ascended as well as the weaponry. I will be happy with that. But let's face it, if you are going to handcuff me in main AND ascension for playing well, then let me at least make one of my accounts viable in some way. I notice that none of you said word one when updates came out that benefitted you, ie. every update so far. For crying out loud, let's make an update that actually benefits EVERYONE for a change.

Bringing descention into effect at all didnt help you?

Making it so you could hit with 5x rather than 1x your lf didnt help you?

Updates have been brought in which back both sides.

Sacrificing main bonuses for ascended is a tad ridiculous if you ask me, if it was brought in 2 years ago (aka descention brought in at the same time, I would agree), 2 years later the server is unbalanced and unplayable because of this. Any update must be VERY well thought out of further connection from ascended back to main. Think a solution up to the problem, making the game possible, breaking the DD (and possibly some omega) stranglehold that is current (by stranglehold I mean complete impossibility of taking them down, the entire server against them wouldnt stand a chance.) And benefiting you in a reasonable and not main unbalancing way and your suggestion may be worth something. I tried, I failed, mabye you could give it a shot?

Also, no update can benefit everyone... sorry , best you can do is make it as fair as possible.