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Firefighters are heroes. The man that committed this crime does not represent firefighters as a whole.

vinny d wrote:Firefighters are heroes. The man that committed this crime does not represent firefighters as a whole.

ditto, without them so many people would be dead, they save lives on a daily basis

I hope that guy gets executed. Someone like that is why it's hard to have fun in life. Having fun on what is probably the greatest holiday in America seems to be dangerous! I hope he has "fun" in the shower room.
I feel sorry for the families of the murdered and the two that survived, their life will be quite difficult.

Jack wasn't implying that all firefighters are villains but just that guy.

Jack O'Neill wrote:...I know many o' firefighter and they would NEVER do anything like this ONE PSYCHOPATH did

Firehouse.com wrote:...

No charges had been filed Thursday morning because police were still gathering evidence and interviewing witnesses, Stacho said.

Perhaps everyone should not jump to conclusions, and why are you calling this person a psycopath? It's not even accepted to use when talking about mentally ill people, and the article makes not statement about mental state.

Someone who guns down a bunch of kids over fireworks is in my opinion a psycho path

I believe Spacey's entire point was that we do not know that was his sole motivation. There could have been other factors; alcohol, a history of conflict, or some other circumstance that makes this less of a sociopath assault (or what have you) and more 'normal' (for this sort of tragedy).

Obviously, this can in no way reflect upon fire-fighters as a whole -
I have a neighbor who is a firefighter, and it is his house which hosts the bonfires, massive roman candle barrages, and assorted explosives come the holidays - I think the title is somewhat misleading and antagonizing, edit aside.

in this particular case:
1. it's not known if it was that firefighter fella who shot them
2. if it really was him: what difference does his profession make? it's irrelevant. this is typical for most journalists, give some unimportant information to create certain opinions about groups of ppl (sbdy was killed by polish national -> poles = killers; that's a way to brainwash ppl).

Jack O'Neill wrote:It makes a big difference who's more likely to shoot a bunch of people? A firefighter or a soldier?

soldier might make a difference, same as copper, cos these professions have shooting built-in, so when they start killing innocents it's the problem of the entire army/police why such a bandit is one of them. but firefighter? it could be a teacher or plumber, why not?

For discussion sake:
Che Guevara was a doctor by trade but considered a terrorist
Theodore Kaczynski held a PhD in Mathematics from Harvard.

I understand what you are saying Jack, but consider that it depends on the person to commit trerrible acts, not their trade. I can appreciate that one would not automatically associate a shooter/killer to a firefighter (we are not trained to think of them as such), and the possibility of something like this happening can shake our notiion of who is here to help and hurt.

I believe Corrans point was that anyone can do what was done here, to which I agree.

firefighters are supposed to save lives, i agree, same as doctors. what i was saying is that IF he did it it had nothing to do with his profession. firefighters aren't trained in shooting.
and journalists like to shock ppl, that's why they add those innocent, meaningless bits (thay could for instance say he was gay, but this is not pc so they won't say that even if he was gay)
manipulating information to create certain reactions is an very old trade. keep that in mind.

agreed. just don't know now: where's the pc worse: in the us or here in eu

Jack O'Neill wrote:Hmmm people here whine over you telling them they're hot and should model and you get arrested for sexual harrasment and get marked as a sex offender for life

yes, Jack. That is exactly what happens.

You have summed up civial and crimal law in one sentance.

and readers, that's all that happens too!
- all you need to do is have someone tell you that you are hot and should model and you will get them arrested and marked as a sex offender!

Jack O'Neill wrote:In the United States if you're arrested for ANY sexual related crime AND convicted you are then marked as a sex offender REGARDLESS of the crime

and where did corran say that the person was convicted?

this is turning into rumor, heresay, and innuendo

i recommend philip k. **Filtered**'s books. he takes some idea that exists in our world and lets it run loose for like 50-100 years. what he ends up with is kinda scary. pc is imho one of such ideas, the story in the paper a proof.

and i've read similar story about 7 years ago. the author claimed he fancied a girl and bought her flowers. twice. the third time he was approached by cops and arrested for sexual harassment. after a long and costly lawsuit both lawyers achieved some kind of compromise and the case was closed. it only cost him money, time and stress.