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[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
i think we are 4 reasonable people
RobinInDaHood says:
Ahh, there's High Empty.
RobinInDaHood says:
I knew I smelled something.
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
if we can agree, then post
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
it may help jason
High Empty
i'm not reasonable!
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
yes you are
High Empty
just ask mojo
Mojo Rising
lol
RobinInDaHood says:
'_
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
well i hope so, i just made a joke on forum about you being very trying
High Empty
i'm givening into everything cause i just don't care
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
well lets find compromise
High Empty
anyway that the update goes ahead, i'll make out like a bandit
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
what do think is best for server without going over the top
RobinInDaHood says:
Appoint me lord and ruler of all?
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
rofl
Mojo Rising
That's going a LITTLE over the top, Robin
High Empty
meh mark you got aproblem with that
RobinInDaHood says:
Over the top, eh?
High Empty
even a ruler needs his brains and muscle
RobinInDaHood says:
Not if you live in the US.
Mojo Rising
Let me tell you what will happen if the updates in ascension go through as outlined thus far
High Empty
... ( there suppose to be on staff) or in the back room
RobinInDaHood says:
I suspect they are all covering their faces.
Mojo Rising
Everyone in DD will be at the soft cap limits and 60K fleets within a week of the updates hitting the server
High Empty
sounds right
High Empty
as i said
Mojo Rising
That's 117 people
High Empty
i've no problems with this update
Mojo Rising
I am sure Omega will probably do the same
Mojo Rising
So if you think we dominate the server NOW
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
agreed
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
so whats the soltuion
RobinInDaHood says:
Mmm...117 potential farms.
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
whats the balance
High Empty
no cost reductions
Mojo Rising
There won't be a non DD/Omega person anywhere on the first four pages
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
there isnt now
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
seriously
High Empty
mark
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
so whats the balance
Mojo Rising
Yes there are
High Empty
it's the frist 300 ranks!
RobinInDaHood says:
I think the power up costs should be higher overall, personally.
RobinInDaHood says:
Even though I would benefit greatly from them.
RobinInDaHood says:
It really does make for too-fast growth for most of the server.
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
agreed
Mojo Rising
Basically, if you guys get everything that Jason is promising in the updates
Mojo Rising
It is just going to be creating 100s and 100s of little DMU farms for DD and Omega
Mojo Rising
Because we will have nothing better to do with our turns
RobinInDaHood says:
Well, that will be limited by turns, of course. But I get the point.
High Empty
lol no really
High Empty
lol not really*
High Empty
frist we have 600k turns to start with
Mojo Rising
hehe
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
i didnt ask for these changes
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
just trying to make sense of them
High Empty
and an extra 15k a turn.
Mojo Rising
There is no sense in them
High Empty
well the APP is fine
High Empty
however i would like it to be 2000
RobinInDaHood says:
Well, some changes to ascension are needed.
Mojo Rising
I agree with the APP - LF conversion increase
High Empty
cause i like even numbers
Mojo Rising
Perhaps not the number suggested
Mojo Rising
As it is a little over powered
RobinInDaHood says:
I'm okay with the APP bump. It will encourage some more ascensions.
Mojo Rising
But I will accept it
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
same
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
consenus 1
High Empty
Life force levels
High Empty
and reserves
Mojo Rising
I also like the fact that Max LF will produce more LF
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
yes
RobinInDaHood says:
Agreed.
High Empty
i'm not too sure about it
High Empty
since i'm not sure it's all that's needed
Mojo Rising
I think that will help the smaller accounts grow faster
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
whats your thoughs andrew
High Empty
the soft caps are placing lifefoce
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
like max life to do something again
High Empty
at 36mil per day
Mojo Rising
Yeah
Mojo Rising
Wait
High Empty
sorry
High Empty
per turn!
High Empty
and, i can make that much per turn,
Mojo Rising
Yeah
Mojo Rising
But Andrew
High Empty
and with channelling you will be looking at around 8mil per turn
High Empty
over the limit
High Empty
however my reserves are current at 550mil!
Mojo Rising
If your Energy Flow is at 500 and you are on the computer for several hours and convert all the LF every turn, then you can make 81 million LF per turn
High Empty
yep
Mojo Rising
Which is about what you are making with income right now
High Empty
lol alot less now
Mojo Rising
So I would say that is not too shabby
High Empty
but yeah that's ok i guess
Mojo Rising
Yes for us, not so much of an improvement
High Empty
ok that's number 2, even if i'm not happy with the number!
Mojo Rising
For the smaller accounts who don't have our income, a HUGE improvement
RobinInDaHood says:
I make around 10,000 life force a turn so I have a while to see if the changes hurt or help.
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
agreed
High Empty
ok, SW
RobinInDaHood says:
SW needs to go.
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
get rid of it
Mojo Rising
Gone
High Empty
hmm
Mojo Rising
Has to be
High Empty
i'm not so sure!
Mojo Rising
Stupid update in the first place
High Empty
oh i agree
Mojo Rising
never should have been introduced
Mojo Rising
Told Forum that
RobinInDaHood says:
The DMU drops have been nice for the little guys (me), but people existed before it and will exist after it.
High Empty
however it let a degree of farming back in the game
Mojo Rising
Told him exactly how we were going to "abuse" it if he did put it in
Mojo Rising
He told us to go for it
High Empty
however if it stays i would suggest that it's a descender!
RobinInDaHood says:
Well, the farming has also helped a bit but meh...
Mojo Rising
And then had the gall to act surprised when we used it like we said we were going to
RobinInDaHood says:
If it were up to me, a random DMU drop could easily do the same kind of thing.
RobinInDaHood says:
Or, as someone suggested, APP drops.
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
yes random drop is good idea
High Empty
on second thought
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
may i add sinath, he is sensible too
Mojo Rising
I would recommend random APP drops
High Empty
get rid of it
RobinInDaHood says:
That way you don't have to listen about people whine about how they weren't online to bank it.
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
yes
Mojo Rising
That way, EVERYONE benefits equally
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
may i add sinath
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
from omega
High Empty
and then add 50mil lifeforce into cacth every week
RobinInDaHood says:
Ok by me Robe.
Mojo Rising
Not just those who happen to be "online" when it happens

Sinath has been added to the conversation.

RobinInDaHood says:
Right, but the should be "active".
RobinInDaHood says:
Logged in within the past 24 or 48 hours.
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
HE please say what we think makes sense so far
High Empty
( that is important yes
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
we are up to superweapon
High Empty
ok to reveiw
RobinInDaHood says:
Hi Sinath.
Sinath says:
heya
High Empty
App rates of 1500-2000 Good
Lifeforce changes Good
SW removal Good
Discussing placing a drop into active account ie those logged into the last 48 hours, of 50mil directly into catch
High Empty
every week
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
meterological reports maybe
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
you get a weather bomb alert saying showers expected..
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
random sprinkles
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
sometimes right, sometimes not
Sinath says:
k
Mojo Rising
OK
High Empty
meh don't need to come up with the reason for the update but just the update it's self
Mojo Rising
Costs of powerups
Mojo Rising
I think that they should stay the same
High Empty
The same,
RobinInDaHood says:
Currently in dev: Too low.
Sinath says:
stay the same possible reduction by lets say 25% if everyone keeps **Filtered**
High Empty
well on second thouht
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
yes
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
compromise
Sinath says:
but no lower than that
RobinInDaHood says:
A small reduction would be ok.
High Empty
i think we should have a 50% reduction on LF max levels
High Empty
but everything else stays the same
RobinInDaHood says:
That would help people build up against descension faster, I guess.
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
whats your reasoning andrew
Sinath says:
I think if he reduces it by 50% or more there need to inflation increases /100 lvls
Mojo Rising
I don't think that that is necessary
High Empty
the reasoning, is that way you don't need to have major stats jumps
High Empty
and people get an added sence of lifeforce being important
High Empty
at the moment it's the most expensive stat you can get
RobinInDaHood says:
It will become very important in the update, for sure.
Mojo Rising
I believe that the increase in LF from Max LF and the increase in APP-LF conversion rate will help out enough
High Empty
oh it will
RobinInDaHood says:
As will Energy Channeling, which has been ignored by most so far.
Mojo Rising
lol
Mojo Rising
Not by me
Mojo Rising

High Empty
i'm just suggesting speeding up the process a bit, making them the same cost as personal stats
RobinInDaHood says:
Well, it has by me.
Mojo Rising
Energy channeling good
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
i would like max life conversions to be useful for something
RobinInDaHood says:
Explain Robe?
High Empty
see update 2, it will be usefull
Mojo Rising
Well I suggested increasing the amount of LF from Max LF to Jason MONTHS ago
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
it was the key stat in the begining, then dropped when ascension came in
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
descension
Mojo Rising
Yes
RobinInDaHood says:
After descension, it was the WORST stat to upgrade.
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
yes
Mojo Rising
Jason made it so that what he thought was the most important stat in the game was absolutely to be avoided at all costs
RobinInDaHood says:
Exactly.
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
how do we fix
High Empty
it's a matter of what should it really cost. ( since you only going to be able to get it, from it's own generation)
RobinInDaHood says:
Hm, I have mixed feelings on the cost.
High Empty
ok are we agree that covert, defence strike, Assaissin powerups dont' need to go up?
High Empty
or down*
Mojo Rising
yes
Sinath says:
yes
RobinInDaHood says:
On one hand, I don't want one-stat-wonders to pop up that have max energy level so high they become undescendable.
RobinInDaHood says:
Yes, to the earlier point.
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
yes
High Empty
ok, next to the other power ups
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
to earlier point
High Empty
Energy Attack Power Level
Energy Attack Skill
Energy Absorbtion Power
Energy Absorbtion Skill

High Empty
should they change?
Mojo Rising
cost wise?
RobinInDaHood says:
Maybe a slight reduction in defense, leave attack the same?
High Empty
yes
Mojo Rising
no
Mojo Rising
they are cheap enough already
Sinath says:
if yes why
High Empty
* i'll restat i'm ok with it the way it is
Sinath says:
yep current cost is fine
RobinInDaHood says:
I'm okay with the way it is too, overall. With the LF conversion increase, it will make bumping them relatively easy.
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
ok
Mojo Rising
yup
High Empty
yeo
Sinath says:
especially now that they are getting more bang for their buck
RobinInDaHood says:
Just trying to give defenders the edge.
High Empty
ok next!
High Empty
Personal Constitution
Energy Flow Ability
Energy Channeling Skill
High Empty
comments?
High Empty
up down same?
Mojo Rising
keep em the same
RobinInDaHood says:
Constitution is already cheap enough.
RobinInDaHood says:
Actually, the are all the same, aren't they? Cost comparison?
Sinath says:
same
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
i have a problem with consititution
High Empty
robin your going to hate me
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
it seems to go backwards at 101
Mojo Rising
Hell the smaller accounts don't even need to worry about personal constitution as they already get the equivalent of a 400 personal constitution when I am trying to descend them
High Empty
but you made me think of something
RobinInDaHood says:
that must be a bug robe.
High Empty
consititution should go up in price
High Empty
at 200
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
value goes back
High Empty
or 300
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
at 101
High Empty
it's suppose to be 50% at 100
RobinInDaHood says:
She bumped to 101 and it changed to 49.5 %
High Empty
yep
High Empty
that's what it's suppose to be
Mojo Rising
Nope that's correct
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
Personal Constitution
(you will only take 49.65% of the damage that reaches you) 101
Mojo Rising
Yes
High Empty
read it
Mojo Rising
Instead of 50% damage
High Empty
and think about it
Mojo Rising
You only take 49.65% damage
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
hehe
RobinInDaHood says:
Ahhh, right. They are right, Sue.
Mojo Rising
So you are taking less damage
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:

[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
silly me thanks
High Empty
ok, so back on track
RobinInDaHood says:
Although the label is worded confusing. It should have said you will ABSORB 51% of the damage.
High Empty
should constitution have a soft cap
Mojo Rising
But on the same token, the damage caps need to be removed
High Empty
at around 250
RobinInDaHood says:
When you get to 200 constitution, do you absorb 100% of the damage?
High Empty
no 75%
RobinInDaHood says:
Or is it a sliding scale?
RobinInDaHood says:
So 100% at 400?
Mojo Rising
Because currently, I can do 8 million LF damage to someone with a single hit but the most most people will take is just over 200K LF
High Empty
well sort of
High Empty
ah mark
High Empty
right now there a bug
High Empty
where i hit you
Mojo Rising
Which is like a 500 personal constitution
High Empty
and you get no reduction!
High Empty
funny as hell really!
Sinath says:
what lvl does that kick in
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
what about fleet costs
Mojo Rising
Anyway,
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
why are they so dear after 60k
High Empty
not too sure, but jake and josh don't have it.
High Empty
they are dear as the frist CAP
Mojo Rising
Damage caps need to be removed as Personal Constitution will be easier to buy
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
ok
RobinInDaHood says:
What happens to fleets after 60K?
Mojo Rising
They increase in cost
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
much more expensive
RobinInDaHood says:
By how much?
Sinath says:
they suck
Mojo Rising
And every 10K fleets after
Sinath says:
jumps from 300m to 3b
High Empty
just wait till 100k
High Empty
they get to 30bil per fllet
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
k
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
so what do we agree so far
RobinInDaHood says:
Would be cheaper to upgrade Charisma.
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
ye
Mojo Rising
Yes
High Empty
if i could yes!
Mojo Rising
there is a delicate balance
RobinInDaHood says:
But you're already so charismatic High Empty.
High Empty
however were side tracking
High Empty
Personal Constitution
Energy Flow Ability
Energy Channeling Skill
High Empty
back to the subject on hand
High Empty
all the same i guess?
Mojo Rising
I am of a mind that ALL the levels should stay the same cost
RobinInDaHood says:
I'd be okay with these staying the same.
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
same
Sinath says:
yep
RobinInDaHood says:
In reality, the only stat that needs to drop in cost is Maximum Energy.
Mojo Rising
as I have spent trillions of DMU getting my levels to where they are now and I don't want to be made a fool of by having the costs reduced 15x
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
yes
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
that is understandable
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
i would feel the same
RobinInDaHood says:
I would feel the same, Mojo.
RobinInDaHood says:
lol@robe.
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
robin
RobinInDaHood says:
I'm really not typing for her, I swear it.
Mojo Rising
Ah ha
Mojo Rising
Multies
High Empty
ok now

Mojo Rising
I knew it
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
dam
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
they caught us
RobinInDaHood says:
<-- guilty and found out
High Empty
for the last 3 off them
RobinInDaHood says:
lol
High Empty
Maximum Natural Energy Capacity
Outward Charisma
Production Capacity
High Empty
i'm of a mind
High Empty
to make 0-100 in all of the above cheaper
High Empty
and after that they go to normal costs
Mojo Rising
I could live with that
RobinInDaHood says:
That's okay here.
Mojo Rising
That way, it gives people starting out a quicker boost
RobinInDaHood says:
That really doesn't disadvantage the guys who REALLY put in the time to upgrade them.
High Empty
lol some mid range guys get hit
RobinInDaHood says:
The first 100 levels are relatively cheap anyway.
High Empty
but just alittle
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
agreed
Mojo Rising
Yes
High Empty
ok, so powers ups are done?
Mojo Rising
The middle accounts are the ones who are going to be screwed by ANY update that seeks to bring the two ends closer together
RobinInDaHood says:
A valid point. Unavoidable, I fear. But true.
RobinInDaHood says:
There really aren't many "middle" players though.
Mojo Rising
True
High Empty
Ok so can i get 5 yes on power ups being done?
RobinInDaHood says:
The bell curve is pretty flat at the top.
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
yes
Mojo Rising
Yes
RobinInDaHood says:
yes
High Empty
well 3 will do!
High Empty
ok .
High Empty
0 Ascended Life Force Cache
Sinath says:
yes
High Empty
good bad, thoughts?
Mojo Rising
Don't like it
RobinInDaHood says:
Intrigued. A "safe" place to bank LF for upgrades only.
High Empty
well
RobinInDaHood says:
I'm okay with it as long as it's one way.
High Empty
i would like it to function this way
RobinInDaHood says:
Put LF in, can't take it back out.
High Empty
however bear with me
High Empty
( all app transfers goes into it)
High Empty
and it's only useful for upgrading powerups
High Empty
but you can take it back into your lifeforce
High Empty
at 100 to 1 cost
High Empty
* that's my crazy idea*
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
like it
Mojo Rising
Not sure I follow you
High Empty
going into box
Mojo Rising
Not sure I understand the Life Force Cache concept anyway
High Empty
APP transfers
RobinInDaHood says:
So you can retrieve it back at significant loss?
High Empty
and lifeforce
High Empty
but you can retrieve back at very high lost
RobinInDaHood says:
Kind of an emergency LF panic button?
High Empty
on a side note
High Empty
Every sunday
High Empty
morning
High Empty
all lifeforce above your max
High Empty
goes into the cache
RobinInDaHood says:
Hm.
High Empty
it's there to prevent large bulks of lifeforce
High Empty
to make an account undescendable
RobinInDaHood says:
Yeah, I see where you're going.
Sinath says:
ok you bought me saying that
Mojo Rising
OK
RobinInDaHood says:
If you do that, then the life force cache needs to limited in size to some multipler of the life force reserves.
High Empty
no the cache needs no size limit
Mojo Rising
But I don't understand about taking LF OUT of the cache
High Empty
it's inifinty!
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
ok
Mojo Rising
Are you saying that when I convert DMU to LF it goes into cache
RobinInDaHood says:
But even at 100-1 exchange rate, huge amounts could be stored with no limit?
High Empty
yeah they could
Mojo Rising
And then when I take it out to spend on upgrades it is a 100: 1 ratio?
High Empty
so mabye the rate needs to go up
High Empty
no
RobinInDaHood says:
No, you spend directly from the cache.
High Empty
you can spend directly
RobinInDaHood says:
It's only if you converted it back to active life force that you'd take the conversion hit.
High Empty
you only would convert back
High Empty
if you being descended
Mojo Rising
But if you need to add it to your personal LF, it is 100 : 1
Mojo Rising
Gotcha
Mojo Rising
OK I can live with that
High Empty
or in my case
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
so its primarily for levels
High Empty
i'm trying to descend you
High Empty
and need to refill my catch!
High Empty
opps
High Empty
my lifeforce!
RobinInDaHood says:
Actually, that's kinda cool. Allows for stored power ups, but emergency reserves at a loss against descension.
High Empty
but requires that your online to use it!
RobinInDaHood says:
Of course.
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
i like it
RobinInDaHood says:
If people don't play, the die.
RobinInDaHood says:
*they*
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
agreed
Mojo Rising
which is how it should be
RobinInDaHood says:
Indeed.
Mojo Rising
OK
Mojo Rising
Extended "vacations" in ascension
High Empty
add in a ppt
High Empty
2 times a month
High Empty
costs 50mil lifeforce
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
should be no extended vacation allows
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
if you are on vacation ovre 60days, you come off automatically
RobinInDaHood says:
If you're on vacation for more than 60 days, you pop off automatically.
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:

Mojo Rising
I think that vacations lasting more than two days adversely affect the main account
RobinInDaHood says:
omg Sue...just stop!
Sinath says:
lol
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
they do be we are seeking compromise
High Empty
ok the idea is as follows
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
and they normally hurt themselves more
High Empty
that if your on vacation in main
High Empty
you can be on it in ascension
Mojo Rising
So that the longer you are on vacation, the less influence your deity has on your ascended realm
High Empty
however, if your not on vacation in main
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
lets keep this one simple cause its contentious
High Empty
you can't be on it in ascension!
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
start small
Mojo Rising
so bonuses gradually drop to 0 and weapons go down to non-ascended weapon strength
High Empty
mark
High Empty
the way i have it set up
High Empty
there are no drops at all to anything
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
what about if you are on vacation in main or ascended, you lose the same amount of power, 50% either way
Mojo Rising
When you come off ascension, they increase at the same rate that they dropped off at
High Empty
you guys are missing something!
High Empty
no vacation mode needed!
Mojo Rising
Well if you have 2 PPTs a month and no vacation mode, I am OK with that
RobinInDaHood says:
One side point to the Life Force Cache: It cannot be reconned.
High Empty
What you do is you add in 2-3 ppts per month, ( that uses 50mil the same lifeforce that you get from the ( superweapon replacement) and you remover vacation mode, however you add in the option of being put on vacation mode thur your main account)
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
i think it will be hard to sell
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
lets keep it simple
High Empty
This should allow you to go on your road trips for 2-4 days
Mojo Rising
OK
High Empty
and still be protected.
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
true
Mojo Rising
Let's keep it simple
High Empty
where as it won't allow you to go and hide
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
what about if you are on vacation in main or ascended, you lose the same amount of power, 50% either way
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
to start with
Mojo Rising
Vacation mode = no blessing, no bonuses for main account
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
work on other later
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
no ascneded blessing on main when on vacation in ascended
High Empty
i'm more towards the no power at all
RobinInDaHood says:
So on vacation in main but not ascended = 50% power loss where in ascended?
High Empty
and the benifits that you got
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
if you set and forget (60days) you come off vacation for 2 days
High Empty
were the weapons!
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
or longer
High Empty
sinath?
High Empty
anything from the middleman?
Mojo Rising
Yeah i am not sure how being on vacation in main hurts your ascended account
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
it doesnt but should
High Empty
is that directed at me?
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
to be faor
RobinInDaHood says:
That was my point of confusion too.
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
fair
Mojo Rising
Whereas it makes sense that being on vacation in ascension hurts your main account
High Empty
? weird
Mojo Rising
Because your deity is no longer active in your realm
High Empty
the only person i know that appies to is mojo LOL
Sinath says:
honestly don't see why its not like that now
RobinInDaHood says:
I don't think there is a big problem with people going on vacation mode in main and only playing ascension.
Mojo Rising
I don't think so either
High Empty
anyways
High Empty
robe
High Empty
there always preg!
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
me either and that is why its a good compromise
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
you are giving up nothing, whilst appearing to be fari
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
fair
RobinInDaHood says:
/shrug Ok, no effect then.
Mojo Rising
well'
Mojo Rising
now
High Empty
useless coding.
Mojo Rising
I disagree
High Empty
no need to do useless coding, we give jason what we want, not what we want it to taste like
Mojo Rising
because there are some in main who do not recognize the meaning of "non-combatant"
Mojo Rising
Yet who take advantage of the bonuses from ascension without playing
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
if it doesnt hurt, and adds to compromise
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
its worth doing
High Empty
yeah i'm missing something, what bonuses do you get from your main account in ascension/
Mojo Rising
Ok so what are we suggesting here
High Empty
yeah robe explain it to us
High Empty
were slow at the moment
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
ok in last war, a few people went off the deep end, that mojo set vacation in main
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
but not ascended
Mojo Rising
yup
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
now i dont personally care, doesnt matter
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
so it shows we are being reasonable
High Empty
but what are you asking for?
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
that if you in the very unlikely event play ascended and set vacation in main
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
you lose something in main, power wise
RobinInDaHood says:
50% loss of bonus in main, I get. I don't get what the 50% loss in ascension is supposed to be.
High Empty
LOL !
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
its not a huge thing for me, but you can sell it
Mojo Rising
because some people in main were unreasonable prigs and couldn't keep their word
High Empty
so your on vacation mode in main
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
its unlikely to occur anyway
High Empty
and so you lose a 50% power bonus in MAIN!?
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
something
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
not sure answer sorry
High Empty
well last time i checked
High Empty
when your on vacation mode in main
High Empty
you lose everything in main!
RobinInDaHood says:
lol
Mojo Rising
You lose all bonuses in main
Mojo Rising
And income
Mojo Rising
And UP
Mojo Rising
You stop growing
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
open to what you think is fair
Mojo Rising
It is already a penalty
High Empty
LOL sure Sue
High Empty
mark, go along
High Empty
she's in one of her ( 101 charisma getting less effect moods)
RobinInDaHood says:
lol...harsh.
Mojo Rising
look
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
its not critical sorry if i didnt say that
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
several people have said it is
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
not me
High Empty
lol, but your missing something
RobinInDaHood says:
If you "lost" something in ascension by being on vacation mode in main, what would you lose?
Mojo Rising
I am of the mind that, if you can attack someone in main with full bonuses than that person should be able to attack you in ascension with full bonuses
High Empty
what bonuses?
High Empty
and the fact is
High Empty
there are accounts in ascension
Mojo Rising
ie no rank mod
High Empty
with no main accounts anymore
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
sorry i raised it now, lets move on
Mojo Rising
no damage caps
High Empty
just as there are accounts in main with no ascension part
Mojo Rising
well I actually raised the issue of vacation modes
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
well i think it helps a lot
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
goes to finding compromise but i know you are all busy
Mojo Rising
but apparently this is one issue on which we are going to have to agree to disagree
High Empty
lol, well we can agree to disagree
High Empty
it happens
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
yeah
High Empty
( you can right that part up )
High Empty
but to sum up vacation modes
High Empty
at the moment we have ( a no vacation mode in main, means a no vacation mode in ascension) with an added ppts ( and a max numbers of ppts) ?
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
one per week
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
not two
High Empty
i'm leaning towards per month
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
vacation mode is valuable to players outside DD omega
High Empty
and you can infact set the hours.
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
who cant defend themselves
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
so i think we just keep vac the same, half loss - remove ascended blessing
High Empty
like from 24 to 100 hours
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
or do just one ppt a week
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
for vacations and recovery
High Empty
but your only allowed 100 hours per month
High Empty
might be 200.
High Empty
need to think of that
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
keep it as is then
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
simpler
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
for now, can always change later
High Empty
oh it is
High Empty
new suggestion that's all*
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
yeah next round maybe
Mojo Rising
So then, whilst on vacation mode, you are still growing and you still have full bonuses in main and such?
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
personally i would love a ppt once a week due to work
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
i wouldnt have to set vacation so often
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
but that is me,
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
probably doesnt affect so many
High Empty
well if i give out ppts
RobinInDaHood says:
ppt + ascension seems problematic to sell though.
High Empty
i'm removing vacation mode as separte
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
true
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
just trying to find a common ground
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
i think it should stay as is
RobinInDaHood says:
Of course.
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
for now, we can sort it out next time round
RobinInDaHood says:
Do you lose ascended blessing now in main?
High Empty
ok this issue is unresolved
Mojo Rising
Nope
RobinInDaHood says:
Or just 50% of bonus?
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
and you should
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
i agree on this
Mojo Rising
They keep ascended blessing when on vacation mode
RobinInDaHood says:
Ok, so ascended blessing should be removed at a minimum then.
RobinInDaHood says:
Do we all agree on that?
Mojo Rising
And the ascended weaponry, which we all know is the KEY part to being ascended
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
but for now, we either fix whole or nothing
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
so lets leave it as is
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
or spend an hour finding solution
High Empty
* leave as is* tonight
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
yes
RobinInDaHood says:
*yawn* Please god no.
High Empty
and worok on it later
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
solution later though, i think we are onto something
High Empty
and mabye i'll learn to tpye by then
RobinInDaHood says:
doestn seam lielkly
Mojo Rising
So let's recap
RobinInDaHood says:

Mojo Rising
SW-gone
Mojo Rising
APP-LF conversion rate: somewhere between 1500-2000 is good
Mojo Rising
Max LF increase is good
High Empty
App rates of 1500-2000 Good
Lifeforce changes Good
SW removal Good
Dropping active account ie those logged into the last 48 hours, of 50mil directly into cache

Mojo Rising
Powerups should stay the same cost with perhaps the except of levels 0-100 of Max LF, Outward Charisma, and Production Enhancements
Mojo Rising
Periodic drops of LF into accounts: good
High Empty
App rates of 1500-2000 Good
Lifeforce changes Good
SW removal Good
Discussing placing a drop into active account ie those logged into the last 48 hours, of 50mil directly into catch
Powerups should stay the same cost with perhaps the except of levels 0-100 of Max LF, Outward Charisma, and Production Enhancements
cache, ( needs long as paragraph)


[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
yes but times issued as weather alert, so little accounts can try to be on and gain
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
like weather alerts
Mojo Rising
Yeah
RobinInDaHood says:
APP isn't farmable.
Mojo Rising
But if it goes to their LF cache
RobinInDaHood says:
Right, it's safe.
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
cool soz
Mojo Rising
then if they are active, they should be able to tell
Sinath says:
k
RobinInDaHood says:
We didn't cover the removal of the raid option.
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
thats right
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
hard one
Mojo Rising
Raiding is not an option for me
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
raiding should stay
RobinInDaHood says:
No raid = bad.
Mojo Rising
So I don't care if it goes
Mojo Rising
But if it goes in ascension, it should go in main as well
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
resouce planets need to be safe from revolution
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
that is common post on subject by many
Mojo Rising
Which makes raiding useless
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
raid untrained
Mojo Rising
lol'
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
if they are not active, they lose it
High Empty
Cache,
App goes directly to cache, lifeforce over the max lifeforces goes to cache every 7 days, Cache can't be spies, it can be spent on powerups, or removed to active lifeforce at a rate of 100 to 1.
RobinInDaHood says:
@HE, yes.
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
yes HE
High Empty
ok, raiding....
High Empty
honestly
High Empty
mojo and i will be for it going
RobinInDaHood says:
I raid, a lot.
High Empty
and that should make you scared!
Sinath says:
doesn't help you guys tho
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
small players need it
RobinInDaHood says:
In fact, it's the only thing I use my turns on.
Mojo Rising
hell yes it does
Sinath says:
yep raiding is how I got to where I am now for the most part
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
same
Mojo Rising
No raid means my 900 million resource planets are safe FOREVER
Sinath says:
rofl
High Empty
lol means my 1.05 are safe from mojo!
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
what about that revoltion, is that the compromise
Mojo Rising
Which is perfectly OK by me
RobinInDaHood says:
My main fleets will eventually be big enough to spill over to ascension. I'm coming for you.
Mojo Rising
lol
RobinInDaHood says:

High Empty
revoltion.
High Empty
you could add in that you lose a % of loses
High Empty
but that's about it
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
can just one thing be safe
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
resource planets
High Empty
i'm for keeping it, because it is ascension, nothing is suppose to be safe
High Empty
expect your cache!
RobinInDaHood says:
Revolution on active accounts should go away. If you haven't logged on in more than 7 days and are not on vacation, you can revolt their income planets.
Mojo Rising
your cache is safe
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
i like that Robin
High Empty
if you have your resources planets safe
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
RobinInDaHood says:
Revolution on active accounts should go away. If you haven't logged on in more than 7 days and are not on vacation, you can revolt their income planets.

High Empty
basicly you have main!
High Empty
with a bit of Q
RobinInDaHood says:
You can never raid miners in main.
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
no just same way of protecting my work in war
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
or i go back to a year ago
High Empty
that's the poitn
High Empty
you won't ever go back to a year ago
High Empty
you can't!
RobinInDaHood says:
Now, on the revolution option....I have a secondary view.
High Empty
if i were to raid you and have the rest of DD raid you
High Empty
and omega too
RobinInDaHood says:
I think we remove it temorarily for active accounts. But I *can* see a time when we 're going to want it back.
High Empty
and got you down to 100planets
High Empty
well damn robe
High Empty
you still got your UP
High Empty
and since you been improving it
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
i think if game was level playing field it would be ok now
High Empty
it's the one thing that won't level the playing field
RobinInDaHood says:
Well, I suppose on the revolution, it's really a double-edged sword.
High Empty
it's the one ( big guy update)
Mojo Rising
The playing field was level
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
how about amenesty like Robin says
Mojo Rising
Then some people decided to quick ascend
RobinInDaHood says:
With the raid % set up the way it is, the damage is moderated if you're active anyway. You can simply retrain.
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
resource planets safe for a period of time
Mojo Rising
And made the playing field tilt to one side
High Empty
robin right
Mojo Rising
Then those of us who were slow and methodical slowly tilted it back to our side
High Empty
with raid set up the way it is
High Empty
ti's a real pain to raid someone
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
no one is slower than me to ascend
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:

Mojo Rising
lol
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
small joke
High Empty
your looking at 700-900 turns to raid someone 20%
RobinInDaHood says:
I am. One asension so far. 1.5 years of gametime.
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
hehe
High Empty
and that's if they don't retrain!
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
so what do you suggest guys
High Empty
i'm for leave as is
High Empty
however make revoltion cost 2% of the convert sent!
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
what about samson idea
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
it costs the agressor a lot
Mojo Rising
I suggest that the quick ascenders (obviously present company excluded) quit their **Filtered** and get on their high horses and try to compete in ascension instead of just **Filtered** about it
Mojo Rising
Fine
Mojo Rising
If I have to lose spies to revolt planets, I am all about it
Mojo Rising
I make 23 million planets a day
RobinInDaHood says:
So you choose the # of covert agents to send?
Mojo Rising
I can part with a few
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
make it possible but hard
RobinInDaHood says:
I make 15,000 a day. I won't be revolting anything soon.
High Empty
it is hard!
Mojo Rising
Hell go ahead and let them reveal whose realm they came from for all I care
High Empty
when was the last time you tried it sue?
Mojo Rising
I usually want the bastards to know who is revolting them
RobinInDaHood says:
I revolted a couple of inactive accounts to test it.
RobinInDaHood says:
In truth, as long as someone is active, you really can't do a lot of damage to them with revolt.
Mojo Rising
Not long term, no
High Empty
So the only real problem is
High Empty
people that don't want to be active
Mojo Rising
Short term, it will disrupt their income a little
High Empty
and think about it
RobinInDaHood says:
But, removing it temporarily *might* boost ascension play by players that don't feel that anything is safe.
Mojo Rising
But it is fairly easy to retrain
High Empty
it's their ( income/ planets)
High Empty
or it's a massing
High Empty
when it comes down to it
High Empty
it's the same thing
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
i like to know too
RobinInDaHood says:
Well, massing is yuck, but at least if you're making income, you can rebuild.
High Empty
you always make incomes
High Empty
since turns are safe
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
i like the idea of 3 month amnesty to grow
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
i like its a winning sales job to masses
[TL] Evil Empress Robe says:
if they dont use it, they lose it

can you make a resume? that kind log its very anying to ready...

Here is a list of proposed changes:

1. App goes to 1500-2000.
2. Life force levels good.
3. SW removal good, however, a drop of 50mil lifeforce into cache weekly, on all active accounts who have logged in within the last 48 hours.
4. LF Cache (direct APP into the cache, excessive life force goes into the cache every 7 days, i.e. you don't get to have more then your max life force level). Life force can come out of the cache and back into active LF but at a ratio of 100 to 1.
5. Raiding restored and Initiate Revolution to be changed to 15 turns and 2% loss of sent units.
6. Vacation mode to be continued as it currently works for this update and up for review for a later date.

Ok?

The above is what we call the reasoning behind each of them.

High Empty wrote:Here is a list of proposed changes:
5. Raiding restored and Initiate Revolution to be changed to 15 turns and 2% loss of sent units.

you do know that after take the defence, asassin are a easy kill, after that SPYS are a easy Kill, and after that the # of units you will have to send in very low, UP to the point that 2% its petty nothig. right?

you just making that we need to destroy more to raid some1, and even for time that will only delay for like 12 hours or so.

i think i agree with everything you said in your summary...

the cheapers life force levels what if you made them 25% cheaper..

this will speed up growth for everyone temporarily until you hit the caps of course. and wont make it too easy for people to get passed but still more possible

PSICOLIX wrote:

High Empty wrote:Here is a list of proposed changes:
5. Raiding restored and Initiate Revolution to be changed to 15 turns and 2% loss of sent units.

you do know that after take the defence, asassin are a easy kill, after that SPYS are a easy Kill, and after that the # of units you will have to send in very low, UP to the point that 2% its petty nothig. right?

you just making that we need to destroy more to raid some1, and even for time that will only delay for like 12 hours or so.

perhaps the defence has to be 0 to raid someone and 2% is a little small perhaps make it the smae as sab whatever that is so esentially you destory someones acocunt then start to raid

thank you. it was a good read...
<tries to keep it all in the brain....>

An alternative for raiding+revolution would be that you can revolt someone in the same conditions as now .... but he can't be raided for 24h by anyone.

So if he's active you've just lost some turns ...... with the proposed updates pretty much anyone would have a decent production / decent lf generation so it would take a couple of players to stay on that account for a long time to cripple it.

And if ascended PPT is a go he should be pretty safe.

High Empty wrote:Here is a list of proposed changes:

1. App goes to 1500-2000.
2. Life force levels good.
3. SW removal good, however, a drop of 50mil lifeforce into cache weekly, on all active accounts who have logged in within the last 48 hours.
4. LF Cache (direct APP into the cache, excessive life force goes into the cache every 7 days, i.e. you don't get to have more then your max life force level). Life force can come out of the cache and back into active LF but at a ratio of 100 to 1.
5. Raiding restored and Initiate Revolution to be changed to 15 turns and 2% loss of sent units.
6. Vacation mode to be continued as it currently works for this update and up for review for a later date.

Ok?

The above is what we call the reasoning behind each of them.

1) fine with that
2) the levels are fine just more LF per APP point (see 1)
3) I love that idea as thats basically what my SW farming was used for - genius!
4) good again especially the cache and into the LF at 100:1 this will slow down people using it to be very difficult to descend
5) I've never had a prolem with raiding... my problem is just purely Initiate Revolution
6) fine with waiting on vac mode suggestion/solution

dont you think the superweapons auction will get more interesting after say, 2 months? the current ranking already changed a lot and those who have increased a lot in the past months by buying dmu or whatever will jump exponantial in growth and dmu production after this update. of course they will never be able to catch up with you guys, unless you have to spend dmu out of order. not mentioning that the SW itself got huge potential meaning in coming asc wars..

so i would like to see the SW back in place but i suggest with a few lil changes adjusting the inital setup:
Superweapon can be kept for longer (lets say a week), if not used, returned to market without compensation.
The bidding time varys from at least 2 days up to 4 days. (makes it more interesting if time to recharge the SW is more random)
50% of the the dmu paid at auctions' end will get auto converted into LF and fills the LF cache of all players, the other 50% are lost in space [or 10% of that goes to the person hit by the SW, if any).

Your right ston that it would be interesting, however at the moment it's just a drain on the larger account with out any other real reason for being around, and it will alway be a drain.

@ Initiate Revolution

The idea is to make it more expensive, cause you still got to wait and to raid the person after you do it. and So if they are active/ lucky they log in, farm a bit and retrain ( note that they can do pretty much anything cause they can't be hit at all!)

As for the proposed updates, if you think about it Nostradamus is right in a way, with the update the other factors of the game will change, and therefor initiate revolution will play a part in it, but it won't really be that much of a lost since people can recover quicker.

@ PSICOLIX
the idea was that the attack would pay 2% lost.
and currently what your talking about takes ONE heck of alot of turns.

and whatever else may be the case with limited turns nothing is really a problem.

@ Forum , well it's nice you had time to read it, i wasn't expecting you too lol, nor were the rest of the group.

Ok and as for the suggestion that raiding be limited to the numbers of planets you have, that's currently what happens, I raid someone at 100mil, they go down to 90mil defences destoryed.
Then player X raids them to 80mil, then player Y to 70mil and so on and so forth.

High Empty wrote:Here is a list of proposed changes:

1. App goes to 1500-2000.
2. Life force levels good.
3. SW removal good, however, a drop of 50mil lifeforce into cache weekly, on all active accounts who have logged in within the last 48 hours.
4. LF Cache (direct APP into the cache, excessive life force goes into the cache every 7 days, i.e. you don't get to have more then your max life force level). Life force can come out of the cache and back into active LF but at a ratio of 100 to 1.
5. Raiding restored and Initiate Revolution to be changed to 15 turns and 2% loss of sent units.
6. Vacation mode to be continued as it currently works for this update and up for review for a later date.

Ok?

The above is what we call the reasoning behind each of them.

1. Fine with it
2. I like the powerup level changes forum did, I think it will make the game more dynamic(even if all of Omega and DD do max out their levels in a week to the soft caps)
3. Fine, but logging on once per week isn't much. Taking out the superweapon and replacing it with this will encourage some activity, but not as much effort as the weapon did.
4. I am firmly against this. Making it 100 to 1 will make it as pointless as removing it altogether for the smaller accounts. I will give you an example. I make about 5 bil dmu per day. That coverts into 500 k lifeforce. Each hit from a descension attempt can take about 500 k from me. Now with the current rate I can save about enough each day in coversion to save myself once. Not great, but fine. With this I will be able to covert enough to have 5 k put into my reserves upon the further conversion. So lets see, after 100 days I will have enough to save myself once. I know I am not a strong account, but I am not as bad as most others are either. Also, even the 50 mil lifeforce will do very little. After the 100:1 conversion that is 500 k into reserve saving. Completely rediculous. Keep it 1:1, that is the only fair way. It encourages activity. Otherwise you might aswell just log on once a week to get the drop if you are small account, as your income will be virtually worthless, thus discouraging activity. I didn't think that was the goal, but maybe I am wrong.
5. The server has had 2 years where resource planets could be taken. It was one of the major factors in leading to the half-dead server we see now. I don't see what testing the server out without the raiding option can hurt. It can only improve the server.
6. This is good, because with the 100:1 rate this will be a small accounts only option.

High Empty wrote:Here is a list of proposed changes:

1. App goes to 1500-2000.
2. Life force levels good.
3. SW removal good, however, a drop of 50mil lifeforce into cache weekly, on all active accounts who have logged in within the last 48 hours.
4. LF Cache (direct APP into the cache, excessive life force goes into the cache every 7 days, i.e. you don't get to have more then your max life force level). Life force can come out of the cache and back into active LF but at a ratio of 100 to 1.
5. Raiding restored and Initiate Revolution to be changed to 15 turns and 2% loss of sent units.
6. Vacation mode to be continued as it currently works for this update and up for review for a later date.

Ok?

The above is what we call the reasoning behind each of them.

I don't like number 4 in the least bit, I think the LF should be equal, besides that, it sounds fine to me.

Reply to #4

the idea, is this only effects people from being descended, IE it takes away that protection!

Lifeforce is still lifeforce
the only thing 1-100 does it prevent someone who gets the 50mil lifeforce drop from just putting it out to getthemselves protection from descension. You can still have larger then normal amounts of raw lifeforce out, it's just once a week they get placed in your cache, It could have just as easily been you either use it or lose it. This way you don't lose anything, you have a safe none spyable cache of lifeforce, where you can mabye save your self from being descended if you got huge amounts there, or you might farm for dmu and convert.

Note, the dmu gets converted into lifeforce frist.

In fact this is going to be a major boost for anyone who's online, cause once they getup to make lifeforce they transfer it over to cache and keep going. everyturn!

and there all this talk of smaller accounts. >>> where oh where is your problem, unless you happen to be a smaller account with 100mil lifeforce sitting out, waving you fanny back and forth saying you can't descend me now!. All other accounts benifit. And with the new ideas i'm not even sure it will be possible to descend someone, if they put any effort into the game.

and it's funny but i just noticed there was a point 7.
It said that, power ups should remain the same for cost, except 0-100 in production, lifeforce and charisma, these should be reduced to 1/10th of the cost.

High Empty wrote:Reply to #4

the idea, is this only effects people from being descended, IE it takes away that protection!

Lifeforce is still lifeforce
the only thing 1-100 does it prevent someone who gets the 50mil lifeforce drop from just putting it out to getthemselves protection from descension. You can still have larger then normal amounts of raw lifeforce out, it's just once a week they get placed in your cache, It could have just as easily been you either use it or lose it. This way you don't lose anything, you have a safe none spyable cache of lifeforce, where you can mabye save your self from being descended if you got huge amounts there, or you might farm for dmu and convert.

Note, the dmu gets converted into lifeforce frist.

In fact this is going to be a major boost for anyone who's online, cause once they getup to make lifeforce they transfer it over to cache and keep going. everyturn!

and there all this talk of smaller accounts. >>> where oh where is your problem, unless you happen to be a smaller account with 100mil lifeforce sitting out, waving you fanny back and forth saying you can't descend me now!. All other accounts benifit. And with the new ideas i'm not even sure it will be possible to descend someone, if they put any effort into the game.

and it's funny but i just noticed there was a point 7.
It said that, power ups should remain the same for cost, except 0-100 in production, lifeforce and charisma, these should be reduced to 1/10th of the cost.

I am just saying HE that if I am getting 50 mil LF a week from a given drop, and only 35 bil dmu(or 3.5 mil LF, or 35 k to reserves after conversion) then there is no real reason anymore for me to log in but once a week. Currently I am logging in 3-4 times a day. I have been doing that for the past year or so, but if it is 100:1 for saving myself, my income becomes worthless. And I know it isn't much, but my rank is 250. Not 3,500 like the inactives or whatever, because I have actually put effort into the game with the ideal that if I did that I would be able to save myself from descension no matter what my ascensions were, so long as my activity level remained high. If this is put in litterly the only option I have left is vacation mode, and maybe I am wrong, but I don't think that is how it is meant to be.