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To The Mod Team...

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:03 pm
by Moddess Goddess
I tried the whole internal thing. It didn't work. My thread in the supermod section was overlooked by most of you, the rest of you said that the problems of this forum were above the solutions you could come up with at this time. Since you were unwilling to deal with this internally as a group when I tried, I will now bring this into the public setting, because there are some truths you need to hear, and they need to hear as well.

I came to you and asked you for solutions. I asked you to help me brainstorm ways to reinstate the faith from the community into the mod team again. Since you couldn't do it, I think we can bring the community itself into this, perhaps they can help you find the solutions.

You know what the biggest problem is? Some of the mods think they they have the definitive solution. They feel that their judgement call is the definitive truth for the community, and they forget that they are actually a part of the community.

They, themselves, are no longer taking part of the community, instead, they're trying to rule it. They are trying to force the changes for the "betterment" of the community, and not actually taking into account what the community wants. This has separated them from the community. There is a very distinct "Us and Them" feeling. They've created their own community outside the community, and then like puppeteers, they sit and pull the strings. Well NO WONDER the community is mad. It's not every mod. But every mod is blamed for it.

And the problem is... some of you even admit you're baised. Some of you simply cannot step back and keep an emotional detachment, everything said to you is a personal insult. With the new system, Jason HANDED you a way to get away from the modding you were doing before. He basically said “instead of demoting the ones that should be removed, I’m going to give you another chance”. And what’d you do? Threw it away.

And it's not all of you. But with the way the new system is, when ONE of you does something the community doesn't like (like, oh, say..... creating multi accounts of forum users you're having a problem with), the whole mod team gets blamed for it.

Some mods, I know, are feeling quite overwhelmed by it all. They have done nothing wrong, they don't talk to the other mods in msn, they have no idea what's going on, but they are getting flamed for things other mods have done. Well good. Hopefully it'll piss you off enough that you'll try to find solutions instead of blissfully ignoring it all so it goes away.

Somehow, miraculously, there hasn’t been any demotions on the team. People have quit, yes, and for good reasons. I see and understand their reasons, perhaps that puts my foot a few feet closer to the door. There are one or two of you, who don’t deserve your posts. And for some unknown reason, Game Admin Jason has decided to promote you instead of fire you. You’re lucky. For now. Till you get thrown to the Lion.


To the rest of the mods: Good luck. I quit. I’m sick of being blamed for the **Filtered** caused by one or two mods who should have been demoted a long time ago, and don’t want to stick around to see how this new administration works out.

What should be really telling to you, right now, is the fact that naming the person who will take over the forums when Pookie leaves is punishable by being REMOVED from the mod team! what kind of dictatorship do we have when the users arn't even allowed to know who runs them? who does the administration have left to answer to? GA Jason? I highly doubt it. The forums are not his main area of concern, and rightly so. He puts other people in charge so he doesn’t have to be. The forums, and the moderators, are a headache he doesn’t need to deal with.

I find it somewhat laughable that I’ve “done a lot for the community” even though for almost half of the time I was a mod I had no internet. I can already see the bias in the new administration, and they haven’t even taken control yet.

To my darling Pookie. I’m sorry. I was going to stay until you left. I find I cannot. I shall instead take the good advice of a darling friend.

GhostyGoo wrote:[I]f i can hopefully save the sanity of a few friends, then yeah. leave Rienna. I and those that matter will respect your decision



Rienna AKA Moddess Goddess.

Re: To The Mod Team...

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:04 pm
by Rienna
Moddess Goddess wrote:I tried the whole internal thing. It didn't work. My thread in the supermod section was overlooked by most of you, the rest of you said that the problems of this forum were above the solutions you could come up with at this time. Since you were unwilling to deal with this internally as a group when I tried, I will now bring this into the public setting, because there are some truths you need to hear, and they need to hear as well.

I came to you and asked you for solutions. I asked you to help me brainstorm ways to reinstate the faith from the community into the mod team again. Since you couldn't do it, I think we can bring the community itself into this, perhaps they can help you find the solutions.

You know what the biggest problem is? Some of the mods think they they have the definitive solution. They feel that their judgement call is the definitive truth for the community, and they forget that they are actually a part of the community.

They, themselves, are no longer taking part of the community, instead, they're trying to rule it. They are trying to force the changes for the "betterment" of the community, and not actually taking into account what the community wants. This has separated them from the community. There is a very distinct "Us and Them" feeling. They've created their own community outside the community, and then like puppeteers, they sit and pull the strings. Well NO WONDER the community is mad. It's not every mod. But every mod is blamed for it.

And the problem is... some of you even admit you're baised. Some of you simply cannot step back and keep an emotional detachment, everything said to you is a personal insult. With the new system, Jason HANDED you a way to get away from the modding you were doing before. He basically said “instead of demoting the ones that should be removed, I’m going to give you another chance”. And what’d you do? Threw it away.

And it's not all of you. But with the way the new system is, when ONE of you does something the community doesn't like (like, oh, say..... creating multi accounts of forum users you're having a problem with), the whole mod team gets blamed for it.

Some mods, I know, are feeling quite overwhelmed by it all. They have done nothing wrong, they don't talk to the other mods in msn, they have no idea what's going on, but they are getting flamed for things other mods have done. Well good. Hopefully it'll <nani?> you off enough that you'll try to find solutions instead of blissfully ignoring it all so it goes away.

Somehow, miraculously, there hasn’t been any demotions on the team. People have quit, yes, and for good reasons. I see and understand their reasons, perhaps that puts my foot a few feet closer to the door. There are one or two of you, who don’t deserve your posts. And for some unknown reason, Game Admin Jason has decided to promote you instead of fire you. You’re lucky. For now. Till you get thrown to the Lion.


To the rest of the mods: Good luck. I quit. I’m sick of being blamed for the chickens caused by one or two mods who should have been demoted a long time ago, and don’t want to stick around to see how this new administration works out.

What should be really telling to you, right now, is the fact that naming the person who will take over the forums when Pookie leaves is punishable by being REMOVED from the mod team! what kind of dictatorship do we have when the users arn't even allowed to know who runs them? who does the administration have left to answer to? GA Jason? I highly doubt it. The forums are not his main area of concern, and rightly so. He puts other people in charge so he doesn’t have to be. The forums, and the moderators, are a headache he doesn’t need to deal with.

I find it somewhat laughable that I’ve “done a lot for the community” even though for almost half of the time I was a mod I had no internet. I can already see the bias in the new administration, and they haven’t even taken control yet.

To my darling Pookie. I’m sorry. I was going to stay until you left. I find I cannot. I shall instead take the good advice of a darling friend.

GhostyGoo wrote:[I]f i can hopefully save the sanity of a few friends, then yeah. leave Rienna. I and those that matter will respect your decision



Rienna AKA Moddess Goddess.



This is me verifying that I really did type this message, and I really am quitting the mod team.

Regards,
~Rie~

Re: To The Mod Team...

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:11 pm
by RobinInDaHood
:(

Re: To The Mod Team...

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:13 pm
by Chris M
indeed a sad day

Re: To The Mod Team...

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:25 pm
by semper
well there is obviously something very wrong with it all. Buck, Rienna, not to mention others. I would like to know what the forum admin is doing with themselves for so many long time mods that have the respect and liking of the community to walk away, and especially with such comments about the administration.

Re: To The Mod Team...

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:48 pm
by RepliJake
Still LMAO that FS is being PROMOTED


Things might not get worse, the atmosphere at least, because the atmosphere has improved but things have continued to get worse, the thing is, most people have just given up, they are leaving, because it has been made clear by both the forum administration and Admin Jason that if there are problems, they are to be brushed to the side. The trouble with that is, people leave the forums and then the game, the community is being killed off by forum mods, and yes Rienna, not all of the, but for the most part, the ones that aren't doing anything "wrong" are not doing anything to "help" either, unlike you have tried to for some time, both publically and privately. FreeSpirit is a perfect example of what is wrong with these forums and making him head admin on the forums just shows how much care is going into the community.

Re: To The Mod Team...

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:54 pm
by CDRrules
What is it, exactly that mods do? Is your only job to uphold the rules to the forum, and to prevent spam? While I'm not familiar with the powers of a mod, it seems to me that that our whole system of moderation is flawed. What kind of system gives one tool to its enforcers, censorship. Why can't there be a way to include positive as well as negative feedback (by the way, I love the name Modess Godess)?

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Who watches the watchmen?

Re: To The Mod Team...

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:23 pm
by Hensenshi
CDRrules wrote:What is it, exactly that mods do? Is your only job to uphold the rules to the forum, and to prevent spam? While I'm not familiar with the powers of a mod, it seems to me that that our whole system of moderation is flawed. What kind of system gives one tool to its enforcers, censorship. Why can't there be a way to include positive as well as negative feedback (by the way, I love the name Modess Godess)?

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Who watches the watchmen?

A mod can lock, move, delete, split, and merge topics. Supermods can ban someone, and any mod can issue warnings to which a Supermod or administrator will address if multiple warnings are issued.

I'd also like to add I turned in my resignation today.

Re: To The Mod Team...

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:31 pm
by [GM]FreeSpirit
Rienna it saddens me to see you leave because of apperently my promotion. I can not stop you i however ask you to rethink your dessision.
Yes I volnteered for adminship Yes i got a part of the job. Forum and i talked a lot he had his doubts. I told him about my plans he apperently liked them enough to give me a chance. I made major mistakes/failures recently. Starting with the ban of etl the modding of myself. my crackdown and my fake ETL acc (not the geisha acc). I admit all these stupidity's. However i am going to run as frumadmin together with smooshable and bazsy and all the mods that are willing to stay/join. Everyone deserves a chance and i'm willing to give it. I only ask for a new chance from the community to prove to them and to myself that i am capable of doing this. I ask for a 2 month trial. If i'm not doing good then i will resign. But give me the chance. It's up to you guys if you give it or not.
The changeover will take place at November the 1st. Please i ask from the community that when that date reaches i get a 2 month trial.

Re: To The Mod Team...

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:32 pm
by Zodiac
I say we all just boycott this forum.

Re: To The Mod Team...

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:32 pm
by Almost38
:( :(

Re: To The Mod Team...

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:33 pm
by SSG EnterTheLion
Global Mod V wrote:Rienna it saddens me to see you leave because of apperently my promotion. I can not stop you i however ask you to rethink your dessision.
Yes I volnteered for adminship Yes i got a part of the job. Forum and i talked a lot he had his doubts. I told him about my plans he apperently liked them enough to give me a chance. I made major mistakes/failures recently. Starting with the ban of etl the modding of myself. my crackdown and my fake ETL acc (not the geisha acc). I admit all these stupidity's. However i am going to run as frumadmin together with smooshable and bazsy and all the mods that are willing to stay/join. Everyone deserves a chance and i'm willing to give it. I only ask for a new chance from the community to prove to them and to myself that i am capable of doing this. I ask for a 2 month trial. If i'm not doing good then i will resign. But give me the chance. It's up to you guys if you give it or not.
The changeover will take place at November the 1st. Please i ask from the community that when that date reaches i get a 2 month trial.



lmao..haven't u been fired yet!!

Re: To The Mod Team...

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:33 pm
by Zodiac
Global Mod V wrote:Rienna it saddens me to see you leave because of apperently my promotion. I can not stop you i however ask you to rethink your dessision.
Yes I volnteered for adminship Yes i got a part of the job. Forum and i talked a lot he had his doubts. I told him about my plans he apperently liked them enough to give me a chance. I made major mistakes/failures recently. Starting with the ban of etl the modding of myself. my crackdown and my fake ETL acc (not the geisha acc). I admit all these stupidity's. However i am going to run as frumadmin together with smooshable and bazsy and all the mods that are willing to stay/join. Everyone deserves a chance and i'm willing to give it. I only ask for a new chance from the community to prove to them and to myself that i am capable of doing this. I ask for a 2 month trial. If i'm not doing good then i will resign. But give me the chance. It's up to you guys if you give it or not.
The changeover will take place at November the 1st. Please i ask from the community that when that date reaches i get a 2 month trial.


Wait, wait, wait..... FS is being promoted after all the **Filtered** he has pulled? LMAO!

Re: To The Mod Team...

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:37 pm
by Mystake
Shame,


but I guess I'll send a message off to Jason. If you know who the new forum head is, then you'll know who I am. I'll fire off a letter.

Re: To The Mod Team...

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:37 pm
by Almost38
wow thats bsthey are much better mods who could have been promoted