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Destruction vs Compensation - The Caprican resources

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:39 pm
by Benny :)
Some of you will be aware of the resent events that have transpired regarding myself, Caprica and his apparent cheating (along with the wars that followed).

For those of you who aren't aware of these events and who can't be bothered to read the relevant threads, I have posted the parts relevant my Poll here:

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Bez wrote:
~Spartan~ wrote:one of the omegans commented that supporting caprica showed alot about me. Well maybe it does, according to everyone he used extras. But one of the biggest reason's i'm in this is because of bez. Caprica took bez to 50 mil UU, and that means bez abused the "extras" just as much if he knew about them. But as soona s bez gets his 50 mil he leaves and rats caprica out. That pisses me off. Bez as long as i play you won't have a def. And if someone kindly please give me azarak's id..... this is looking to be my last war.



While I can see why, conceivably, this would appear to be true, I can assure you it is not. For I will be more than willing to send all the resources that I got from Caprica giving it to me to "jtest" once this conflict is over. I maintain a personal log, just like many of you do, and updated it with every AT he ever sent me. Yes, after a while I became aware of where alot of these resources came from. I took my time, recorded all the evidence I would need to bring justice about the game. I thought that premature and rash moves would be detrimental to the group of people who are now backing me up (and I them). ANYONE who has been in #BAU recently will know exactly what I have been doing and am willing to do, yes I know it looks bad at the moment for me but I was apparently the only one with the balls to do anything about Caprica being a multi? Its not like I was the only one to figure it out, because after Caprica came clean to me about it, he started talking about them openly in lots of MSN convo's where other people were involved.

While I haven't broken any rules being funded in the way that I was by a cheater, I WILL send an amount equaling the amount Caprica sent me to the "jtest" account once this conflict is over. Laura, you can be a witness to this if you want. Hell Laura, if it makes you feel better about it, I'll send it all to YOU and you can send it to "jtest" personally (so you'll know that I didn't lie about sending it).

And Spartan; I respect your commitment to Caprica and accept that you couldn't possibly have known my plan for after this conflict is done. If you really want to sit on my account for as long as you exist in the game, then thats your prerogative. For now, I have resources given to me by a cheat existing in my account. For now, they are being used to fund offensives AGAINST the same cheat that sent them to me (none of it is being kept, its all being used for repair naq and buying weapons, which, have been destroyed in value many times over in the pursuing conflict with Caprica and his group). Once this is over, I will send these resources to an admin account for destruction.

If anyone has a problem with any of this, contact me on MSN. Its in my profile.



The above is the relevant information for option A, with the following plan of the removal of the resources (with proof of removal):
-=- A few hours before the admin meeting this wednesday, I start a webcam session with Quickshot, Jenny(to be confirmed) and maybe 1 other person.

-=-Myself and quickshot will then both start recording the webcam feeds.

-=-We both record as I send the resources to "jtest".

-=-We both upload the video's to YouTube for everyone to be able and see it.

-=- At the admin meeting, we ask Jason to confirm that I did indeed send the resources to "jtest".


If anyone has a better idea/suggestions/criticisms/etc please don't hesitate to state them.




Option B hasn't got much of a plan yet (only recently suggested). But basically it entails me sending the same amount of resources that would be sent to jtest in Option A (and hence lost forever), however send the resources to the people who lost resources because of Caprica... I know this option is more easily abusable, and will need a proper plan of action before I try and do this...


I'm looking for the opinions of the members of the SGW community... Should I send the resources to be destroyed, or should I use the resources to compensate those who lost resources at the hand of the cheat Caprica?

It is safer to just send the resources to Admin, true. There is no denying that fact. But, is it more right and fairer to use those same resources to help compensate those who both stood up and fought against Caprica, and those that were perhaps cheated by Caprica (I know of at least one person who fits into that latter category).

So please, give me your thoughts on this matter...

EDIT: I ask that if you vote, please give a reason why.

Re: Destruction vs Compensation - The Caprican resources

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:49 pm
by Azarak
Compensation

No point in them being destroyed - should go to help people recover what they lost at the hands of this cheat.

Also I wasnt massed by Cap I only helped out other members of BAU with resources so I am not entitled to anything so this is not based on any bias.

Re: Destruction vs Compensation - The Caprican resources

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:55 pm
by TigerGirl
Well, I was massed by Caprica two nights ago while I was out. So it may seem like I voted for the compensation option because I want to get a slice of the pie. However, I don't really expect to get much if anything because I'm sure there are plenty of people who need/deserve the resources more than I do. I've voted for option B because it seems right and fair that the people who were cheated by a cheat, or damaged by his one last gasp war, should be given some of the resources gained by said cheater to help them rebuild.

If Caprica was cheating (and there is ample evidence to prove so) and sent Bez resources gained through cheating, which Bez is now purging from his account, then I believe that those resources should go to those who were negatively affected by Caprica and his cheating. Sort of brings everything full circle, in a way.

Re: Destruction vs Compensation - The Caprican resources

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:37 pm
by Angelos.
The resources should be used for compensation, seeing as i lost a fair amount at the hands of Caprica. Though even then he couldn't mass me properly...still had a covert ;)

The people who were affected by this should be able to get help from those resources to rebuild. We did a service to the community. I didn't see any of the Omega mulitcops coming in and helping, granted they were in a conflict with FS. But all that talk about hunting down multis seems to be in the past now. :/

I don't care about gaining any of those resources as i can regrow easily..however there are smaller players who cannot grow as fast. Those uu and that naq should go to help them.

Re: Destruction vs Compensation - The Caprican resources

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:52 pm
by Castiel
Wow caprica really did mass alot of fellow ircers :o

Re: Destruction vs Compensation - The Caprican resources

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:54 pm
by Benny :)
Almost everyone massed by him recently was an IRCer...

Still looking for more opinions, especially outside perspectives...

Re: Destruction vs Compensation - The Caprican resources

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:00 am
by quickshot84
Bez wrote:Almost everyone massed by him recently was an IRCer...

Still looking for more opinions, especially outside perspectives...


thats cause 90% of BAU are ircers

Re: Destruction vs Compensation - The Caprican resources

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:01 am
by Angelos.
that is correct quickshot..and the rest of us just reside on their channel lol

Re: Destruction vs Compensation - The Caprican resources

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:18 am
by Tekki
The way I see it is that if Admin wants to recompense the accounts, then he can. If he wants to remove the resources then he can, therefore Bez, just do what you think is best and distribute it to those who claim some compensation.

Either way the action is all traceable and can be undone should Admin wish that.

Re: Destruction vs Compensation - The Caprican resources

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:35 am
by Azarak
Angelos. wrote:that is correct quickshot..and the rest of us just reside on their channel lol


hehe - BAU are just so much more fun :wink:

Re: Destruction vs Compensation - The Caprican resources

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:49 am
by silverbullet
Azarak wrote:
Angelos. wrote:that is correct quickshot..and the rest of us just reside on their channel lol


hehe - BAU are just so much more fun :wink:


sssst now what did I tell you guys! Dont tell anyone!
Before you know it we'll have the entire bloody universe
spoiling our chat.

Re: Destruction vs Compensation - The Caprican resources

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:58 am
by Benny :)
Less spam thanks, even if its true :D

Re: Destruction vs Compensation - The Caprican resources

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:08 am
by Teal'auc of the Void
I personally think that these wo suffered the most loses by Caprica should be conpensated. It's a way to punish Caprica even more, seeing that his 'last massings' went down the road and damaged people were compensated, therefore his 'last crusade' had little or no effect on those affected.



Teal'auc

Re: Destruction vs Compensation - The Caprican resources

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:48 am
by repli**cator
imo send it to admin, no need to go trough these lengths to return as compensation.
it'll only benifit those who come here.
but then again i don't know much about this case, i think the best would be to send it to admin therefore case closed.

Re: Destruction vs Compensation - The Caprican resources

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:26 am
by trigger_mike
i know id like some units back :P

Hook a brother up bez