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reality debate?

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:41 am
by thaltek
lets argue what constitutes reality.......

1. the vcr hypothosis: loosely stated that time dosn't flow in a linear form so much as will flow in the form of ripple eddies and currents providing a "play", "stop", "fastforwar", and "rewind"....

2. greater consiousnes hypotosis: maybe our collective existance isn't real so much as someones collective thinking...?

Re: reality debate?

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:24 pm
by loki
i would argue but i dont understand explain more and i might be able to do this

Re: reality debate?

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:26 pm
by Fear Of The Duck
i think the only one who can understand this is come_forth :?

Re: reality debate?

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:27 pm
by loki
i think your right thal explain this to me and ill try to debate this with you

Re: reality debate?

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:30 pm
by semper
goood.. :-D I'd like to see a reality debate. Should be good and very philosophical!

Re: reality debate?

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:35 pm
by loki
i donk understand it though thal need to esplain

Re: reality debate?

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:33 pm
by semper
Well, what is reality to you loki? When someone says reality, what does it mean?

Re: reality debate?

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:13 pm
by Angnoch
I understand the topic however Thal do you expect people to really understand and properly interpret such a debate?

Re: reality debate?

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:17 pm
by Osi
I wouldn't risk it. the response to this thread is evidence enough.

Re: reality debate?

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:21 pm
by Angnoch
not to mention the fact that all forms of reality are due to perception not anything scientific "I think therefore I am" doesnt really allow for a presentable debate despite how intriguing it is to a select few.

Re: reality debate?

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:51 am
by Fear Of The Duck
Angnoch wrote: "I think therefore I am"


or youse can debate this very quote.

Re: reality debate?

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:24 pm
by semper
lol..

I can doubt, which is a form of thinking, something cannot come from nothing. Ergo something must be doing the thinking. Cogito Ergo Sum.

It's another person proving their existence to you, thats the tricky one.

Re: reality debate?

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:18 pm
by Fear Of The Duck
and what about the world around us?
let's take me laptop. it either is and thinks, or it isn't. if the latter, than how did i post this?

Re: reality debate?

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:30 pm
by semper
its all a figment of your imagination. Maybe your making it up :shock: maybe some evil scientist is posting it into your brain!

You might not have posted it Corran, your sense could be deceiving you. :lol:

There is no proof of the external world Corran. Imagination and the mistakes of sense data do away with it. (I am going a bit solipsist, but meh..all to prove a point.)

You cannot prove your laptop, or the forums exist. Hell..you cannot even prove to me you exist! You could just be a satellite personality, or a fragmented mood existing within my own consciousness trying to get at me. Who knows?

Re: reality debate?

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:39 pm
by Fear Of The Duck
aye! :lol: as i've mentioned on multiple other ocassions we are all autonomous multis of spacey :lol:


i remember polish sci-fi writer stanislaw lem (author of "solaris" btw) wrote a short story about a scientist who created a bunch of computers with sofisticated ai and linked them together so they were living in 100% virtual kinda "second life".