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A Bug which has been used for over a year

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 4:45 am
by S T I
I will now tell you a story, i will not mention names, as it is not right because i can not prove anything, it is up to admin to prove this.

Well over a year ago, before the CIA war i was made aware, by way of info recieved, of a possible bug being used. I was given a few facts, some name's & how it was being done to a certain degree.

This use of a bug, only confirmed what alot of us in the game had beeen thinking, things were being done that should not be happening.

so i put my feelers out to gather more info, what i was getting back over the next few weeks was all the same, naq/uu were being created, satilite accounts were formed & these accounts were used to carry out these actions further. The uu that was either bought from created naq or created straight was then sent to random inactive acounts & raided, but they were sent to lots, so it looked like normal raiding but with v/high returns.

Most of you can work out what was going on, weapons, bigger defences, fleets, ms, etc etc

Now the who, all my info pointed to two alliance's, which was backed up by massive stats increase in both (but by only certain members).But i will say that over the time period i am talking about people in these alliance surly would have become suspicious?

All this info i passed on to senior mods & admin as i got more. But i was unable to work out how it was being done. I had the mechanics, but could not get it to work, until yesterday.

Admin i surpose never found anything or dismissed it because i could not show how it was being done & having found out the how, i can properly understand.

I have also been told that ascension has been corrupted by this bug, what i have been told is that double ascensions have been done, ie 2 ascensions done for the price of one, twice the points half the losses, twice the bonus's etc. I can not check out this because i am not going to ascend but by how the bug works i fully expect this will be found to be the case.

To further add to what i was finding out, many would not see this because only a certain amount of people would understand, is this.

Coming up to & since my first becoming aware of this bug, i was becoming aware & so were others of people selling alot of naq/uu for very cheap prices. one instance price of naq was $30 per trill, but in a convo, i was tolf that they were getting their naq for $10 & loads of it, well i can understand $25 or even $20 (but that would have been a crazy price) but $10 din't make sence. (yes i asked for names, but was told the person selling had told them not to tell anyone).I have had many such convo's since

I asked around all the big naq producer's, no one was or would sell for that amount, they could not keep up with the demand. being one of the largets producers i have to fully agree.

This points to again only one answer added to this the ones selling uu & naq never lost their army size.

since i told people about my find yesterday, i find it strange that i got a message from a player, shall we just say it said tick tock, when i asked what they meant by this, i got no answer?


but don't you find it strange that i recieve a message like this on the day i discover this bug & tell people about it :lol:

now i know that this may smear some inncent people & fingers will be pointed, but i feel it needs to go into the forums now.

Re: A Bug which has been used for over a year

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:19 am
by Lore
To bad Admin doesn't put as much effort into this game as the players do.

Re: A Bug which has been used for over a year

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:20 am
by Hansbrough
Very peculiar... thanks for alerting us Jeff. I surely hope something can be done about it, however, I do have my doubts.

Re: A Bug which has been used for over a year

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:33 am
by RepliMagni
No idea what the bug is mate - but I've got a feeling its something to do with the -ve naq bug a lot of us got in the war yesterday....especially if you've been getting "tick tock" messages :P

Apparently Rhett seems to think I've cheated and created naq from nothing.....I personally want Jason to look over my account logs - I gained nothing from the -ve bug, neither did anyone else I know of.

I hope Jason stops whatever this bug is asap mate - its not cool to be having peeps cheating or even buying knock-off goods.

Re: A Bug which has been used for over a year

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:00 am
by Hansbrough
I don't think it's the negative naq.... that's been around for a while, but it doesn't create new naq. it happens when you use naq (bank) at the exact same time as someone hitting you... the system doesn't know how to reconcile it and gives the negative naq. The annoying thing about that bug is that if you continually get hit, it spreads to the other person who also starts incurring negative naq "taken." You have to wait until the next turn for the naq to reset.

Nah I have a feeling the bug that jeff is talking about has more to do with creating resources from nothing rather than creating a negative somewhere else.

Re: A Bug which has been used for over a year

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:35 am
by ChrOnO
well surely who ever sent you that message must have been one of the names that were not to be mentioned?

Re: A Bug which has been used for over a year

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:20 am
by ThakalluS
I've been playing this game for quite a long time,but I hadn't notice anything like that :?
I should pay more attention then I guess.
I hope this will be solved and those people will be banned.

Who will investigate those things when you leave ? :?

Re: A Bug which has been used for over a year

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:59 am
by ChrOnO
good question thaka :| just more reason for you too stay longer S T I :P

Re: A Bug which has been used for over a year

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:54 am
by thorslittleworld
I know about this and posted both a sgw forum posting to admin and to the email address and no go

Admin knows of this, why no action I dont know, perhaps its beyond there capabilities or would create too much work

at the end of the day it wont affect admin, so theres more naq than what there should be, admin dont play so they cannot be affected

what ever the reasons, its there, and admin knows about it, perhaps thats just another reason why so many good accounts are leaving sgw

ITS DYING, watch out for special deals another reason for cheap stuff so people can make a few $$ before leaving

Re: A Bug which has been used for over a year

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:16 pm
by ~Phoenix~
I thought that was all fixed ages ago mmm...


Unless this isnt the thing to do with weps/uu buying/training?

Re: A Bug which has been used for over a year

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:13 pm
by SVaRuN
Bit strange the only big exploit I saw was when ppl used the broker bug the one that allowed you to retrieve all goods that were exchanged in past...


Though that thing wasnt totally solved, mostly it was covered by admin...


So you wish to say that the exploiter is now targeting you STI? I wonder who could target you and would actually do it...



But as for prices via black market its not all that black and white...sometimes few players just band together and sell resources under one tag...


I have done it with extremer and its prity much doable...


Anyways good luck with the hunt



Blue

Re: A Bug which has been used for over a year

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 2:03 pm
by Mukasa
interesting....

Re: A Bug which has been used for over a year

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:01 pm
by buck
STI, once again you proove your quality...

Re: A Bug which has been used for over a year

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:16 pm
by Ferra
very interesting...

Re: A Bug which has been used for over a year

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:25 pm
by urogard
it's not interesting. people know about this bug. it's easy to reproduce and people do abuse it. I wonder why admin didn't approach this issue sooner seeing how some people abuse it.

you could literally create tens of bilions of units in mere hours
or hundreds of milions of units within minutes