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[RepliJake]

Awwwww isn't it cute, little tags and the mods are motivated...


Please...


Anyway, not too bothered about that, as for the insults that BaZSy supposedly received, maybe read again, Mordack said "IF those were your ideas too..." either you're insulted because they were your ideas or you're insulted to stamp your feet and say "I'll leave whaaa whaaa" which btw very like the metality of the administration of late, "Forum" excluded.

Anyway, I thought alot of you asked to be mods to help the community, many considered it an honour, not something they needed to be thanked for or "paid" for, times change I guess... I'd consider keeping the community together thanks enough, but I guess I'm just one of those people...

Anyway, Gratz on the cute little tags, well deserved for all your hard work for hours and hours of thankless spamming and telling people off.

[Psi Kiya Trist]

what about ex mods who did alot for the forum who have since left/retired from the forum but still play ingame.......

no.

~_+Psi Kiya Trist+_~

[Teal'auc of the Void]

I just returned from my 14 days vacation from Greece and then see all this for what? Labels under names? People, come on. As far as I am concerned, I don't need any rewards ingame for being mod. Be it benefitting or not. Tho, I remember Forum Jason himself who suggested we should get little something.

Ok, I was against something like bonuses to stats, AT's, naq, MT's... that'd be really unfair advantage over other players. These 'labels' are little something, but at the other side, yeah, they do divide 'normal' players from the mods. If it was up to me -- I would give every player opportunity to have this title. Be it for G&R points for example.

Mods got them -- fine but now allow regular players to have them as well. That way it's only fair to everyone.

If Jason wants to give these titles, give them, for efforts ingame. G&R points are good example.

Now, please, could both sides calm down a bit? We all are only people and argue over such silliness...come on.



Teal'auc

[Psi Kiya Trist]

Mods got them -- fine but now allow regular players to have them as well. That way it's only fair to everyone.

If Jason wants to give these titles, give them, for efforts ingame. G&R points are good example.[/color]

i disagree, G&R points must first be worth more. they're practically useless for normal ascensions, but, thats not the main point of my objection.

it should be special for those who are actively using their time here. granted, not many people think it's fair, and i'd probably question the motivations of any mods accepted from this point on,(unless a proving period was used to make sure it wasn't solely for the title.)

is it going to kill you if anyone who is helping the administration get a small title to appreciate their hard work, mostly not compensated.

there are little times, when one person may be kind, and actually say "thank you" when you do something as a mod. but usually the tendency leans the other way, and it's not the easiest thing to deal with day after day of social attacks, sometimes cussing out in PM's, as well as the constant ignorance of the higher level of modding most people don't see.

~_+Psi Kiya Trist+_~

[R3B3L]

Mods got them -- fine but now allow regular players to have them as well. That way it's only fair to everyone.

If Jason wants to give these titles, give them, for efforts ingame. G&R points are good example.[/color]

i disagree, G&R points must first be worth more. they're practically useless for normal ascensions, but, thats not the main point of my objection.

it should be special for those who are actively using their time here. granted, not many people think it's fair, and i'd probably question the motivations of any mods accepted from this point on,(unless a proving period was used to make sure it wasn't solely for the title.)

is it going to kill you if anyone who is helping the administration get a small title to appreciate their hard work, mostly not compensated.

there are little times, when one person may be kind, and actually say "thank you" when you do something as a mod. but usually the tendency leans the other way, and it's not the easiest thing to deal with day after day of social attacks, sometimes cussing out in PM's, as well as the constant ignorance of the higher level of modding most people don't see.

~_+Psi Kiya Trist+_~

You see, thats what some people here DON'T REALISE. Thanks for saying it Psi.

You guys wouldn't be happy if you had to put up with all the crap that comes with Modding. Threats. Abusive Posts and PMs. Massings. Etc.

And now, your CRYING over titles, that actually doesn't benefit us in anyway, shape, or form? All it is is a peice of text. It doesn't make us all powerful does it? Is a special title going to strike fear into your hearts or something? Make us win every war? NO.

So shut up and stop complaining.

Well, thats my view on it.
ID is 29252 if you wish to mass me for having a title, but you'll have to wait for me to come off PPT, because Im not comming of just for stupid little immature people.

/End rant.

[Teal'auc of the Void]

i disagree, G&R points must first be worth more. they're practically useless for normal ascensions, but, thats not the main point of my objection.

it should be special for those who are actively using their time here. granted, not many people think it's fair, and i'd probably question the motivations of any mods accepted from this point on,(unless a proving period was used to make sure it wasn't solely for the title.)

is it going to kill you if anyone who is helping the administration get a small title to appreciate their hard work, mostly not compensated.

there are little times, when one person may be kind, and actually say "thank you" when you do something as a mod. but usually the tendency leans the other way, and it's not the easiest thing to deal with day after day of social attacks, sometimes cussing out in PM's, as well as the constant ignorance of the higher level of modding most people don't see.

~_+Psi Kiya Trist+_~

Well, Charles, I appreciate your opinon...however, these kind of ingame rewards will be always just oil into burning flames if you catch my drift. I was an administrator to one MMORPG in my countryfor over 3 years and the community there was like this one -- if you got something small, even symbolic, they yelled at us. I do not support some advantages which affects the game and makes it better/easier for the moderation/admin groups.

I agree, saying symbolic 'thank you' is nice and should be special in some way,it should also NOT be automatic when you do something for this community, however It can be very touchy as of what it should be, why it should be given and to make sure such reward is really some kind of 'symbol' of thanks. It's hard to do anything without angering 'crowds', seeing sometimes tolerance and gratitude went out to nowhere...

My feelings are mixtured. This has gone too far, considering how silly matter it is. (talking about the label under name now)




Teal'auc

[Zeratul]

it should be special for those who are actively using their time here. granted, not many people think it's fair, and i'd probably question the motivations of any mods accepted from this point on,(unless a proving period was used to make sure it wasn't solely for the title.)

is it going to kill you if anyone who is helping the administration get a small title to appreciate their hard work, mostly not compensated.

there are little times, when one person may be kind, and actually say "thank you" when you do something as a mod. but usually the tendency leans the other way, and it's not the easiest thing to deal with day after day of social attacks, sometimes cussing out in PM's, as well as the constant ignorance of the higher level of modding most people don't see.

~_+Psi Kiya Trist+_~

much truth there... only a small minority thank the mods when they deal with stuff... and as a former forum admin, you know that well... the titles were given by Forum as a small token of gratitude for the work we mods&admins put into this forum...

[agapooka]

Finally, something worth reading. Thanks, Teal'auc and Psi.

Seriously, this thread is a mess, as is the pathetic issue that this has become. I neither support or object to ingame titles.

The two main problems are:

1. Jealousy. A lot of members are full of it. Don't worry, there's not much to be jealous over, especially a petty title.

2. Misplaced expectations. Mods, I'm talking to you, now. This job is thankless, I believe we can all agree, but gratitude isn't something one should expect. It takes away from the heart-warming experience of receiving it.

As for the title, go read Le bourgeois gentilhomme by Molière. There is probably a good English translation available. It says everything about titles better than I could say it, and with an excellent satirical and comedic touch.

J

[Rienna]

You've got to be kidding me, right?

We're all complaining after ingame titles now? I'm a mod. I don't have an ingame title. Well. I assume I don't cause I stopped playing a month ago...

I think everyone has said both arguements many times over... but I just have to say... if you're going to get angry because a group of people has given up much of their time, VOLUNTARILY, and been rewarded for it, after over 2 years of the same job.... *shrugs* maybe we're all a bit more petty then we thought, eh?

The mods didn't do their jobs expecting compensation, or even thanks... the fact that the guy who MADE this game wanted to thank them in some small way means alot to them... do you really need to complain that it's "unfair"?


The Views of a Non-Playing Mod,
Rienna

[FreeSpirit]

OMG just when i thought it coudnt get much worse. People come on take a chill pill we recieved some titles ingame whats the big deal? Can we mass better with that? grow faster? or heck even be better then the rest of you guys? In no way that is possible. Jason(Forum) offered a reward for us as a token of appreciation. Baz came with the idea of titles. This was the best way as we dont get any benefit from it. If you wanna mass us for cleaning up the mess you create on yourselfs go ahead. However i heard enough of these complaints and thats why i am locking this topic. Go ahead rant on me i coudnt care less. We sacrafice our free time(yes voluntary) to be mods/admins here. And all members of the current team do this with passion. Let us have our titles and go on with your lifes if not do whatever you wish. We'll still be here modding the forum

[Zeratul]

also, as a little hint on how thankless this job is... within the last 24 hours, 91 things have been modded... and do you know how many 'thank you' messages have been recieved? the number, to our knowledge, is exactly ZERO... no more, no less...

and that is enough said...

[Forum]

lol. this was a great thread.
not for the ordinary reasons, but because it gives a view into 'my life' (yes, via the mods...they share much of the same joys).

1) it's a label.
2) it's a VERY expensive label.
3) "you get out what you put in" -- not true. This is true - modding brings the storms of (player) wrath down upon you, by those you mod, for the benefit of <all but those who you mod, and their friends>, and the thanks by <all but those who you mod, and their friends> is zero. Modding is like taxation - its never appreciated ... (except the occasional drunken post edited...).
4) unbenounst (a word?) to all - i used this ability to tailor labels. i now can easily do custom labels. where will i use them. when will i use them? dont know. but the mod ability allowed it to be easy.
5) my god. think about it. its not unfair. its not crazy. its a way to identify the mods of the community in game (IF they want to be identified -its not a forced ability...one can choose not to use it)... i cannot see how that makes any one else 'less than'.
6) become a mod. if you can demonstrate the skills, keep a good attitude, and help the community - you too can get a title. the community benefits if the right people are helping....as a comparison - the US army pays 20,000USD signing bonus to become a soldier. mods here get a title i dont think its all that crazy (the title that is).
7) any number of other arguments...
I am also opening this thread again as I have never been so amused, amazed and interested in such opinions.

Mods - please let it go... No need to reply to the criticisms - they are par for the course, and your heartrate is best spent elsewhere

Players - please have respect for the job. It is NOT everyone that can/will/keeps doing it. for a reason. same as soldiers - not so nice to get the occasional smile at the cost of a clip emptied at you...

so - in the words of Ali G - RESPECT!

[SG]

Whoa, the thread really took a dive after that last post I made.

Mod job is really thankless, I think it's established. I don't think you'll get a lot of
'thanks' for it, unless it's action that everyone universally agree to ("Nasty PM?" anyone? thanks for that! heheh).

People complain, it's really a person's nature. Grass is always greener on the other side stuff.

I know that from being on a staffing position it's like..

People see you and think, "Whoa it's great! I bet you have tons of fun! I'm going to be one some day!" <-- been there, done that.

As a staffer: "Holy #@$@$#@#(&$@& Can someone shoot me already? I hate this job. I QUIT!" *goes back to work 10 minutes later* <--- done that, seen that, countless times.

[DaDigi]

You guys are funny

Oh wait, hold on.

You guys are funny

[RepliJake]

lol. this was a great thread.
not for the ordinary reasons, but because it gives a view into 'my life' (yes, via the mods...they share much of the same joys).

1) it's a label.
2) it's a VERY expensive label.
3) "you get out what you put in" -- not true. This is true - modding brings the storms of (player) wrath down upon you, by those you mod, for the benefit of <all but those who you mod, and their friends>, and the thanks by <all but those who you mod, and their friends> is zero. Modding is like taxation - its never appreciated ... (except the occasional drunken post edited...).
4) unbenounst (a word?) to all - i used this ability to tailor labels. i now can easily do custom labels. where will i use them. when will i use them? dont know. but the mod ability allowed it to be easy.
5) my god. think about it. its not unfair. its not crazy. its a way to identify the mods of the community in game (IF they want to be identified -its not a forced ability...one can choose not to use it)... i cannot see how that makes any one else 'less than'.
6) become a mod. if you can demonstrate the skills, keep a good attitude, and help the community - you too can get a title. the community benefits if the right people are helping....as a comparison - the US army pays 20,000USD signing bonus to become a soldier. mods here get a title i dont think its all that crazy (the title that is).
7) any number of other arguments...
I am also opening this thread again as I have never been so amused, amazed and interested in such opinions.

Mods - please let it go... No need to reply to the criticisms - they are par for the course, and your heartrate is best spent elsewhere

Players - please have respect for the job. It is NOT everyone that can/will/keeps doing it. for a reason. same as soldiers - not so nice to get the occasional smile at the cost of a clip emptied at you...

so - in the words of Ali G - RESPECT!

Most of the people hear are more amazed about other benefits that were "on the table", I personally couldn't give two spare monkeys about a cute little tile as I mentioned, main thing that bugs me is the constant, "we don't get thanks for hours and hours of work" firstly, most of the mods are spammers, they are always here, they keep the place clean for themselves and the community they wish to be a part of as much as for anyone else, they do have their perks, being able to talk to you in a better smaller chat to get their issues dealt with, I know from experience.

Trouble is, alot of these mods seem to be expecting something that just isn't going to happen, most of the people that see WHAT they do are the people being modded, don't see them thanking them...