changes to ascension

[Sinath]

Whats irritating is hearing that you can't get a top account unless you had these huge ascentions and then just let your self build up.

Yes, I was protected from outsiders during my time in ascention being with DD and then Omega.

I was one of you people that didn't know any damn better and ascended only for the benefits to main. After I joined DD I learned of my huge mistake and how to rectify it.

I have never ascended again since I first joined DD over 18 months ago. My largest ascention prior was only 66k app. Yet through a ton of work and constant raiding trying to improve my account I have gotten to the top.

I will never be in the position the accounts in the top 10 are, but personally I can live with that. They were prepared to do what had to be done to achieve this I wasn't. Its as simple as that.

Be content with what you have and what you are willing to earn.

Now raising APP>LF fine it should have been going up on a step scale this entire time anyways.

But, to lower the lvl costs is honestly ludicrous. I never had the benefit of huge incomes etc while building I had to farm/raid my way to what I have now over a period of over 18 months. Now for someone to simply step in and with one huge ascention with lowered lvl costs be able to achieve in a single go what I have achieved in a year and a half of work is simply wrong and undermines the entire concept of this server.


I'll tell you what. Im main it kinda pisses me off that some people took the time and effort built up these huge 150-200k RAW ups. Then they took the time and effort to built huge 50K+ UP planets with big defs so lil newbs and multis can't pull them out from under them. To make it fair for everyone that wasn't willing to spend the time or naq doing this I propose we lower the RAW UP increase rate by 100% and lower the cost to add shields etc on planets by 200% to make it easier on the people that want the quick fast and easy way. Afterall, that is the only way people will ever be able to catch up to those with 100m+ troop accounts and we want it to be fair to everyone.



Sarcasm at its finest. Don't ya love it.

[Ergon]

ETA Please!

6 hours lol

[Nostradamus]

I'll tell you what. Im main it kinda pisses me off that some people took the time and effort built up these huge 150-200k RAW ups. Then they took the time and effort to built huge 50K+ UP planets with big defs so lil newbs and multis can't pull them out from under them. To make it fair for everyone that wasn't willing to spend the time or naq doing this I propose we lower the RAW UP increase rate by 100% and lower the cost to add shields etc on planets by 200% to make it easier on the people that want the quick fast and easy way. Afterall, that is the only way people will ever be able to catch up to those with 100m+ troop accounts and we want it to be fair to everyone.

Sarcasm at its finest. Don't ya love it.

Or as an alternative why not make hangars 50 times cheaper .... seeing that 50 is such a popular number these days ..... everyone could have 100k fleets in less then week and I'm sure it will be very interesting to see planets changing owner damn fast.

[GeneralChaos]

1.) No raiding - in ascension OR main (let's face it; both raids are responsible for the power gap in both servers)

2.) No rank mods - with raiding no longer an option, these no longer need to be in place.

3.) Increase in the APP - LF conversion rate - I agree it is something that is long overdue. I feel that 1745.45 may be a little much but I am willing to concede the point (see this is what compromise is about).

4.) Ascended Power Ups should stay at their current (regular server) prices. With the increase in APP-LF rate and an increase in the amount of LF that Max LF produces, the gap between the small and the large accounts will close dramatically, especially when the soft caps are figured in. Lowering them would make it too easy to catch up and pass people who have put a lot of hard work into the server, only to have the rug pulled out from under them because they spent 15x more money to achieve the same thing.

5.) Now I have a radical suggestion that may or may not be popular with either side but I am willing to consider it in the interest of a balanced server. Make the soft caps at 400. Reduce (and rebate) the levels above 400 that anyone has (I recommend an 80/20 or 90/10 DMU to LF rebate). Basically the way this works is, anyone who has a level above 400 gets the total LF cost figured out of what it took him or her to get above 400. Then they get 10-20% of that LF as straight LF and the other 80-90% as DMU (LF * 10000). This would do two things. It would bring the growth rates down for those who are super huge but at the same time, because we had been above them for awhile, we would still have the benefit of having that "extra" growth for a while. Then, with the increase in LF and the APP-LF conversion rate increase, it would make it easier to close the gap but would still require some effort on the part of those attempting to catch up. This is, of course, contingent upon keeping the costs of level-ups the same as they are now in the regular server.

*Agreed, the boost to APP is enough, it that was inforce now and i ascended i would have nearly 7bill LF to use on powerups, sure it wont put me into the top 20 massive accounts but it would help, whats with these people that want, super cheap power ups, and cheap ascensions, cant have it both ways.

Wow 7bill LF ..... not even 2 days of the top incomes in asc what a power boost will you get.....

Yes but the top incomes have been in ascended for 2 years, i have not, so 7bill will help my account out greatly, i want to work to the level they are at now, even if it takes me another year, its what makes it interesting, most of the people here, dont want to hurt there main account but want all the perks and easy life in ascension, tuff luck, you have to work for it.

[Raven]

Whats irritating is hearing that you can't get a top account unless you had these huge ascentions and then just let your self build up.

Yes, I was protected from outsiders during my time in ascention being with DD and then Omega.

I was one of you people that didn't know any damn better and ascended only for the benefits to main. After I joined DD I learned of my huge mistake and how to rectify it.

I have never ascended again since I first joined DD over 18 months ago. My largest ascention prior was only 66k app. Yet through a ton of work and constant raiding trying to improve my account I have gotten to the top.

I will never be in the position the accounts in the top 10 are, but personally I can live with that. They were prepared to do what had to be done to achieve this I wasn't. Its as simple as that.

Be content with what you have and what you are willing to earn.

Now raising APP>LF fine it should have been going up on a step scale this entire time anyways.

But, to lower the lvl costs is honestly ludicrous. I never had the benefit of huge incomes etc while building I had to farm/raid my way to what I have now over a period of over 18 months. Now for someone to simply step in and with one huge ascention with lowered lvl costs be able to achieve in a single go what I have achieved in a year and a half of work is simply wrong and undermines the entire concept of this server.


I'll tell you what. Im main it kinda pisses me off that some people took the time and effort built up these huge 150-200k RAW ups. Then they took the time and effort to built huge 50K+ UP planets with big defs so lil newbs and multis can't pull them out from under them. To make it fair for everyone that wasn't willing to spend the time or naq doing this I propose we lower the RAW UP increase rate by 100% and lower the cost to add shields etc on planets by 200% to make it easier on the people that want the quick fast and easy way. Afterall, that is the only way people will ever be able to catch up to those with 100m+ troop accounts and we want it to be fair to everyone.



Sarcasm at its finest. Don't ya love it.

Duh they will pass you cause you never did decent ascensions......it doesnt matter your there for so long already because your grow is so small when you never did any big ascension it would be fair if someone with a much larger ascension passes you there......


And again main is compared to Asc.....while the differences between the power gaps are so big.....i wont even try to say it again just read the 100 other posts and feel embarrased.....

@GeneralChaos

If you think doing bigger ascensions then the top guys even did [wich most already gained back long time ago with selling DMU] is the easy way then i can only laugh at you......just keep repeating doing 200k UP ascensions is the easy way to the top lol

I think you actually agree that the top players should maintain the top just because they did it earlier ....

[Spoon]

5.) Now I have a radical suggestion that may or may not be popular with either side but I am willing to consider it in the interest of a balanced server. Make the soft caps at 400. Reduce (and rebate) the levels above 400 that anyone has (I recommend an 80/20 or 90/10 DMU to LF rebate). Basically the way this works is, anyone who has a level above 400 gets the total LF cost figured out of what it took him or her to get above 400. Then they get 10-20% of that LF as straight LF and the other 80-90% as DMU (LF * 10000). This would do two things. It would bring the growth rates down for those who are super huge but at the same time, because we had been above them for awhile, we would still have the benefit of having that "extra" growth for a while. Then, with the increase in LF and the APP-LF conversion rate increase, it would make it easier to close the gap but would still require some effort on the part of those attempting to catch up. This is, of course, contingent upon keeping the costs of level-ups the same as they are now in the regular server.

I quite like the suggestion though you could go one further and update the cost of levels like admin has on the dev server but just reimburse everyone everything they invested in power levels and then let everyone rebuild at the new lower rates though the soft cap would have to be at 400 at least maybe a little lower, give everyone a chance to have a go at building a better account. It may be interesting anyhow.

[Timmy]

i've done some figures and the updates admin suggested are needed to get remotely close to the big guys so they need to stay.

ETA please would be handy and fair to all

[Sinath]

ok lets get off this entire they did it first line of crap and lets call it for it is.


they have something you don't. Weren't willing to work to get there and now are upset and want something you didn't earn handed to you.


Lets use this case scenerio for instance.

Olsson-- Through alot of hard work. Very well planned ascentions which he scheduled over long periods of time to get the most benefit out of them he has the #13 ranked account in ascention. He wasn't handed his account, he did what he did because having a strong ascention account was important to him.


Now, why am I using him as an example do you ask? Here is the reason


Olsson--Ascention id 2687

Sinath--Ascention id 944

Raven--Ascention id 1519


Now by the looks of things you ascended long before he did, yet His account is quite a bit stronger than yours. Hell alot stronger even than mine. Thats not something that was done 2 years ago, so the argument that he did it when the costs were cheaper are kinda mute. His latest ascention was 2-3 months ago if memory serves.

So, back to the point. He was willing to do something niether of us were willing or prepared to do. So, to slap a person such as this in the face and tell him all your hard work was for naught because now we are going to make it easier for the lazy and incappable of getting up to his lvl is rediculous.


You have 132m troops in main. I'm jealous because it wasn't worth it to me to work and get my account that far. You concede and make it easier for me to build up my account to that point with minimal effort and I'll concede the point of people building an ascention account with minimal effort.

[Spoon]

Lets use this case scenerio for instance.

Olsson-- Through alot of hard work. Very well planned ascentions which he scheduled over long periods of time to get the most benefit out of them he has the #13 ranked account in ascention. He wasn't handed his account, he did what he did because having a strong ascention account was important to him.


Now, why am I using him as an example do you ask? Here is the reason


Olsson--Ascention id 2687

Sinath--Ascention id 944

Raven--Ascention id 1519


Now by the looks of things you ascended long before he did, yet His account is quite a bit stronger than yours. Hell alot stronger even than mine. Thats not something that was done 2 years ago, so the argument that he did it when the costs were cheaper are kinda mute. His latest ascention was 2-3 months ago if memory serves.

Not meaning to devalue your point at all, but being hit at least twice by the super weapon (maybe three times Im not certain) but the rather massive injections of DMU to his account may well have helped him reach that level, possibly a bit more than his ascensions did.

[Raven]

ok lets get off this entire they did it first line of crap and lets call it for it is.


they have something you don't. Weren't willing to work to get there and now are upset and want something you didn't earn handed to you.


Lets use this case scenerio for instance.

Olsson-- Through alot of hard work. Very well planned ascentions which he scheduled over long periods of time to get the most benefit out of them he has the #13 ranked account in ascention. He wasn't handed his account, he did what he did because having a strong ascention account was important to him.


Now, why am I using him as an example do you ask? Here is the reason


Olsson--Ascention id 2687

Sinath--Ascention id 944

Raven--Ascention id 1519


Now by the looks of things you ascended long before he did, yet His account is quite a bit stronger than yours. Hell alot stronger even than mine. Thats not something that was done 2 years ago, so the argument that he did it when the costs were cheaper are kinda mute. His latest ascention was 2-3 months ago if memory serves.

So, back to the point. He was willing to do something niether of us were willing or prepared to do. So, to slap a person such as this in the face and tell him all your hard work was for naught because now we are going to make it easier for the lazy and incappable of getting up to his lvl is rediculous.


You have 132m troops in main. I'm jealous because it wasn't worth it to me to work and get my account that far. You concede and make it easier for me to build up my account to that point with minimal effort and I'll concede the point of people building an ascention account with minimal effort.

And hes DD.....not to mention that i been away from the game for quite some time.....by the time i could do good asc it wasnt worth it anymore......dont go making up stuff if you dont even know whats going on

[Robe]

Sinath

Many many players outside of Dirty Dozen and Omega (your teams) have tried very very hard to play ascended.

Ascended is broken. Why is it broken?

Its broken because Dirty Dozen and Omega made a pact to help each other dominate the game and now they have complete control of the server.

Dirty Dozen and Omega players can do whatever they want in ascended.
They can have small defences, leave UBER (and I mean UBER) amounts of DMU out, with very little chance of it ever being stolen.

If you want proof, check out the Alliance tags of the top 90 Players.

Raiding resource planets was a big factor. Dirty Dozen and Omega can farm whoever they want, whenever they want, without fear of retaliation.
This resulted in many people (who were farmed constantly) over a long period of time giving up on the server.

It has never been about the maths.

It has always been about the monopoly created by Dirty Dozen and Omega.

[Sinath]

#1 Its not possible to be hit more than once with the SW.
With the current coding once you are hit you become immune to the SW and can't be touched by it again. This was suppossed to have been changed long ago by admin as its really a bug, but this wouldn't be the first time hes let things slip now is it.

Unless this has changed and I'm not aware of the fact within the last few months but I kinda doubt it.

#2 Whoa lets not backtrack here. You were out of the game for awhile yet you have one of the largest armies in the game now?? If thats the case, who handed it all to you. I know your not telling me you put in alot of time and effort to not only catch up but to succeed past almost everyone else in the game. Surely that can't be the case.

[Sinath]

So Robe what your telling me that currently the three players on the first page of ascention that don't have a tie with these allegiances are still there for what reason then.


And I also surmise that by this logic that the only reason TL have ascention accounts in the top 90 atm are because they have a NAP with Omega.

I also see that currently you are ranked 32 in ascention. Not bad congrats. I'm sure you worked hard and planned a couple good ascentions to get to that point after having your account there decimated a few times in various wars.


The argument here is not giving more APP>LF Granted that is something needed. The argument is dropping the costs for power-up lvls to the point that someone with a single ascention can get there in a single bound.

Drop the cost 25% fine np if you want to lower them. But to lower then to what they are now on the dev server is just not right.

don't get me wrong personally it would help me a ton. Right now with my income I could go from being able to get 3 charisma lvls/day to roughly 35-40 lvls/day. Don't you think thats just a bit too much of a jump?

[Robe]

Simple and happy to answer.

I have always played the ascended server but until recently (when I joined an alliance that had a treaty with Omega or Dirty Dozen), I was unable to increase my charisma or production or I would have been farmed senseless.

So I was forced to work on non productive levels and fell behind.

Now I am in an alliance that has a treaty with Dirty Dozen and Omega, I can actually build my charisma and production and play ascended
(but only whilst the treaty exists).

[High Empty]

Sinath

Many many players outside of Dirty Dozen and Omega (your teams) have tried very very hard to play ascended.

Ascend is broken. Why is it broken?

Its broken because Dirty Dozen and Omega made a pact to help each other dominate the game and now they have complete control of the server.

Dirty Dozen and Omega players can do whatever they want in ascended.
They can have small defences, leave UBER (and I mean UBER) amounts of DMU out, with very little chance of it ever being stolen.

If you want proof, check out the Alliance tags of the top 90 Players.

Raiding resource planets was a big factor. Dirty Dozen and Omega can farm whoever they want, whenever they want, without fear of retaliation. Many people that were farmed constantly gave up playing.

It has never been about the maths.


So in effect it's about game play, over all wide scale game play. There was time and time again that this was tested, and time and time again it failed. So what did i do, i when about building my main account so that it would be an asset so that i could get into those allaince, after i had tested, and failed. I learn from my mistake.

When you think about it, Raven if you can raid 60mil uu in 45 days, then all you need to do is keep raiding, that means you can do a 200-300k up every 45days. Now true you won't be making as much as the top accounts, but the gap will be smaller, you will close the gap with the top 20. Ofcourse it would require that you WORK, for it.

and btw, the gaps are huge at the moment in main. The top account is 100mil units Above YOUR account, and mine. and we both fall into the top 20 accounts. Shouldn't we lift the limit for main then?

When it comes down to it, there was a great time to do ascending at 200k, at old ups, that was about 6 months ago, and that would have gotten me 6-7 days advance. Am i thinking of doing some more ascension YES, cause i'm only about 20 days out from the lead in ascension. So with the new updated APP, that would mean i only need about a 350k up. Trying but possible.

but the real thing i need is an ETA. and it aint 6 hours.

It has always been about the monopoly created by Dirty Dozen and Omega.