changes to ascension

[Corsair]

The argument is dropping the costs for power-up lvls to the point that someone with a single ascention can get there in a single bound.

You seem to conveniently forget that you also can ascend and retain your lead!!

[Sinath]

now that made alot of sense.

[Corsair]

and btw, the gaps are huge at the moment in main. The top account is 100mil units Above YOUR account, and mine. and we both fall into the top 20 accounts. Shouldn't we lift the limit for main then?

They are being lifted with the dynamic Cap which forum has said will be coming soon so people will be able to raid to near the top army sizes with a fair amount of work.

My apologies Sinath I should have typed re-ascend

[Raven]

@ HE

Right now i wont go raiding for ascension ......there is no point in doing hard work for 45 days while the top players already got that in income each day......maybe il consider it when the new updates come out......
And i know STI is large but atleast he isnt invulnerable.....any player with 50mill army could take him down if they really wanted too.....

@Sinath.....

pfff........you might not belive it but yes ive been away for a long time more then 6 months actually......the CIA-CoP made me active again and i only had 13mill UU left and yes i raided and got my army to where it is now nobody 'handed' it to me.....

[Sinath]

now thats what I wanted to hear. you raided and worked hard to get your main account to where it is now.

How are you gonna feel if people come along thinking its just too difficult to get to where you are now. Rules are changed in main, because hey the majority think its a good idea, and by these rule changes it allows a person to do what you did in a single week or month.

You can post whatever you wish in responce, but we both kow your gonna be royally pissed and wonder to yourself why you wasted all of those hours when they could have been spent elsewhere.

[Raven]

now thats what I wanted to hear. you raided and worked hard to get your main account to where it is now.

How are you gonna feel if people come along thinking its just too difficult to get to where you are now. Rules are changed in main, because hey the majority think its a good idea, and by these rule changes it allows a person to do what you did in a single week or month.

You can post whatever you wish in responce, but we both kow your gonna be royally pissed and wonder to yourself why you wasted all of those hours when they could have been spent elsewhere.

And again there i a big difference between main and Asc......
The power differences arent so big as in asc....
Most of the work in Asc is time......

My account from 75 to 133 is time nothing more its not skill or anything its just time.....

i can admit that my main account besides the raiding till 75 has been nothing more then time but the players at the top in asc say its skill that made them go so high.....
let me be clear ...... the main problem is admin not updating the rates APP-LF earlier......but i havent seen 1 top player from asc say it might be a good idea to update them because they just dont care......aslong as they are at the top its all fine.....

Now lets assume admin is gonna take same measures in main [even though i keep repeating its far from the same] ....... he will make MS/SL/UP all those things 50 times cheaper....... why would i be so pissed?
the time that takes new people to get where im already am is so much that by the time they do im already far ahead again.....wich is the same what will happen in Asc.....theres no big power change going on ......

The only difference people can make in asc is Ascending in main......to get a 1 time boost....
With the new rates people can actually ascend to the top and i can assure you it will take a hell of alot more then anyone ever did ascending.....[STI and Reborn are exeptions in the top 10 with ascending they didnt do much there at the beginning either so they had to do huge ones to be where they are now......btw there might be some more then Reborn and STI...]
Anyway for me personal when i had the chance it wasnt worth it anymore......in other words the APP-LF was already outdated and wouldnt help me as much as the people who did it earlier on ......Im not stupid enough to ascend with the current situation .....

[saluki2002]

This may be a dumb question but I'll ask anyway. If we ascend now and don't convert the APP into LF will the conversion be at the new rates or at the rates from when we ascended? I assume it would be at the rates from when we convert it, but would like to hear FORUM's opinion, since (no offense guys) that is the one that matters in times like this.

[Munchy]

When it comes down to it, there was a great time to do ascending at 200k, at old ups, that was about 6 months ago, and that would have gotten me 6-7 days advance. Am i thinking of doing some more ascension YES, cause i'm only about 20 days out from the lead in ascension. So with the new updated APP, that would mean i only need about a 350k up. Trying but possible.

but the real thing i need is an ETA. and it aint 6 hours.

It has always been about the monopoly created by Dirty Dozen and Omega.

You are currently rank 3, right High Empty?

Amount of Naquadah required to upgrade unit production from 0 to 350000 is 102,081,875,005,000.
Multiplier to enter: 116666.

Lets see. If 102 tril naq equals 20 days worth play for the top dogs then all I would have to do is make 5 tril a day. I guess I will have to work on my income in main abit if I want to catch up via ascensions

[Sinath]

you know something that is the first good actual question I have heard on this thread in quite a few pages and I applaud you for that.

Honestly I would assume it would be at the new rates because until you convert them its still just app. you can hold APP on your account for an unlimited period of time.

The change would only be the amount of LF you would recieve/ pt of APP.

Perhaps Jason might actually grace us with his presence today and confirm that answer for you.

[Defense-Forcefield]

i dunno if someone already posted something like this, and 45 page of long long posts is very hard for non-english. if yes, all my apologies.

as i understand that CoP dont want to increase APP-LF conversion, i was looking to another way.

What about only increase rank modifier ? We all know that differences between highest and other are very unbalanced in regard of main (in wich, like raven said, nobody is safe even not STI). Maybe that if rank modifier was increased, the realm will become again very attractive.

[Munchy]

This may be a dumb question but I'll ask anyway. If we ascend now and don't convert the APP into LF will the conversion be at the new rates or at the rates from when we ascended? I assume it would be at the rates from when we convert it, but would like to hear FORUM's opinion, since (no offense guys) that is the one that matters in times like this.

You probably could..and be safe...but if you read the first post you will see this:

So - summary of updates to be done, open for (very quick) discussion as we plan to release by the end of the weekend. We can always 'fine tune' afterwards, if needed...

1) superweapon will be reduced to 1% damage from what it is now (5%?)
2) superweapon will not be able to be sold. 48hour 'turnover' stays. 30 day limit will be removed.
3) levels in skills will be the dictator of price - not army size. They -as before - will get more expensive per level, with some 'jumps' in price along hte way...
4) ascended fights will allow for more of an attackers damage to get through - at least it will not be limited to the size of the defender (or at least not as much as now).
5) i will increase max ascensions to 20 from 10 current.
6) APP rates will increase, with a greater increase on 10+ ascensions.

Now he increased the APP to lifeforce rate, but I (and many others) thought that he was also going to increase the amount of APP you get for ascension from resources. And if that is the case then note he said 'with a greater increase on 10+ ascensions'. To me that hints that he might increase the rates for below 10 ascensions aswell, just not as much. He also hasn't said anything about this since then, so maybe not.

[Robe]

So Robe what your telling me that currently the three players on the first page of ascention that don't have a tie with these allegiances are still there for what reason then.

You made me look

Page 1 has 2 players not in Dirty Dozen or Omega (1 without treaty)
Page 2 has 8 players not in Dirty Dozen or Omega
However, all 8 accounts either have treaties with Dirty Dozen or Omega or
they recently left Dirty Dozen or Omega. The one exception was built under the protection of Dirty Dozen or Omega and sold for cash. This exception was recently massed off page 1.

This is why I believe you can not currently grow in ascended unless your are in or allied with Dirty Dozen or Omega.

I am not complaining. Just stating the obvious.
This is why the game needs a "market adjustment" or it will die.

[Sinath]

don't mind an adjustment Robe, never said I did as honestly I would have a greater advantage from it than you would.

I'm just saying lets not make it too damn easy.

And you guys seem to think that the top guys could care less. You would probably be suprised at some of the suggestions a few of the top players have made to Jason to bring things a little more in balanace.

But up until lately when the outcry was just too much for him to ignore anymore Ascention was just a hobby server for Jason. Nothing against him as I don't knwo him or his lifestyle, but lets be serious. Since asccention came out how many serious updates have there been vs how many updates in main in the same period of time.

Besides the possible loss of players "because" of ascention there is simply no money in it. If that has anything to do with it then by all damn means put a 1 time only SS in ascention as well. I'd be more than happy to toss my $20 to him to actually get some things done and hammered out.

[Robe]

I agree Sinath. We need to find a sensible compromise.

I recognise that many players have worked hard on their accounts.
We do not want to throw the baby out with the bath water.

[Mojo Rising]

@ Raven

Dear Raven,

I have suggested on a number of occasions that the APP - LF conversion rate needed to be raised and that it was long overdue. Go back a few pages to read my post with the new suggestions that I made.

@Robe, Raven, et al.

You all claim that the reason my account is where it is now is because we are allied to Omega. I will tell you that DD had the top two accounts in ascension BEFORE an alliance with Omega was established. It was, in fact, our ascension prowess that garnered our invitation into the GA and then the CoP. So, to say that we got where we are through a monopoly is utterly ludicrous and false. Actually, to tell you the truth, Raven is to blame for my ascension account. I bought so much UU off of him during my seven ascensions it was ludicrous. And he just kept selling it to me and improving his main account (kudos to you for doing so) and I just kept buying to improve my income so that I could ascend well (kudos to me).

As for Olsson, yes he is in DD and I will tell you that Olsson is a fantastic player and always willing to learn. He had the advantage that he was in an alliance that knew how to play ascension and he learned at the feet of the masters. I assisted him quite a bit with advice on how best to invest his LF in ascension and he listened, and followed my advice. Yes, he may have been hit by the ascended SW once and he may have farmed some DMU here and there from other auctions. But he got his account through carefully planned ascensions and listening to the advice to those that had gone before. To belittle his efforts on that front by suggesting otherwise is insulting.