changes in ascension/main going to production

[Sinister]

Forum - Is it just the Daimon that has double losses or is it the person they battle with too? We're a little confused on this (well, at least i am lol)

[Forum]

shoulda coulda woulda... spilt milk under the bridge
point is, there is now an out. take it or leave it..its the only one.
i would rather have players in ascension who like/want to play, than constant complainers/whiners that just want to sit and pout ...so this gives everyone what they want - within boundaries

yes, but simply put, dont want to play ascention? dont fricking ascend, would of saved alot of hassle

[Forum]

the 'game updates' are current. its 'one sided only' for now...

Forum - Is it just the Daimon that has double losses or is it the person they battle with too? We're a little confused on this (well, at least i am lol)

[Munchy]

ok - i can concede this... the daimon takes doulbe casualities in covert& battle (takes, not gives) .... keep bonuses, lose unique ascended blessing. no glory.
if you say "this is almost ok, but still gives them a little bit too much" then i can live with that
the point here is to give those who dont want to play ascension an 'out' ... without in effect resetting their account. this will leave those who want to play ascension, in ascension.

and if an update that allows ascended account to temporarily help main account ever comes out (no promises but no complete banning of the idea either), they would obviously not benefit...likewise if glory&rep in future provides a more direct benefit...

so - does this satisfy?

yes..thats all.
i cannot see how losing double units on all 'actions' is not a negative... if it was 'one sided' (ie they lost 2x what opponent did) but did not apply to covert, would that be better somehow?? or worse?
i am still open for ...something..but want it to be original and 'ontop of' the bonuses (ie an extra penelty, opposed to less bonus...)

So being a Daimon...

PROS:
~ keeping the original bonus from ascensions (5% for prior, 10% for prophet and so on) for att/def/cov/anti/ms (anything else?)
~ better then hitting vac in ascended bonus vise
~ for those that do not want to play ascended, but keep bonuses

CONS:
~ if you wish to reascend, first you must go to normal race and start at 1 (prior) all over again
~ no ascended blessing
~ no "advanced races swapping" you are Daimon as race period

PRO & CON at same time:
~ double casualties when attacking someone (your attack forces and his def forces)
~ double casualties when defending an attack ( your def forces and his att forces)
~ double casualties when spying sabbing ACing (or failing)

Is that all?

I personally like it better the other way, because can you imagine trying to mass while being a daimon and taking twice the losses of the other guy, and them not? It would be a fruitless endeavor. But obviously you can't please the everyone, so it is probably alright.

Still think twice losses on both sides would be interesting. It would actually add abit of strategy to who you have in your alliance. Having a mix of living gods and daimons would provide interesting gameplay during wars, unlike the current state of all living gods or AG's, ect. But, meh...

[Rich™]

the 'game updates' are current. its 'one sided only' for now...

Forum - Is it just the Daimon that has double losses or is it the person they battle with too? We're a little confused on this (well, at least i am lol)

great, cos i'd hate to not be able to attack those Daimons

[TipsY]

I agree with Munchy on double losses on both sides BUT.... Not always, how about adding

THE ASCENDED CURSE
It works as ascended blessing, but opposite effect lol. Kind of. So attacking someone and getting Ascended Curse you do (percent of Ascended Curse) less damage and take (percent of Ascended Curse) more losses, but so does opponet?
A punishment but just not all the time?

[Sinister]

the 'game updates' are current. its 'one sided only' for now...

Forum - Is it just the Daimon that has double losses or is it the person they battle with too? We're a little confused on this (well, at least i am lol)

Thank you this seems much more reasonable.

[Forum]

that was my thinking too, but if it makes the daimon more powerful than the ascends, sorta defeats the purpose...
i like the 'double edge sword' concept of a daimon. if i can think of a 'good' other double edge, i will add (if i can do it in next day or 2, as after that i want to finalize the update so people can use it if they wish )
the ascended curse i am not sold on --i think it would make planning/strategy very hard... although will think a bit more on this...

I personally like it better the other way, because can you imagine trying to mass while being a daimon and taking twice the losses of the other guy, and them not? It would be a fruitless endeavor. But obviously you can't please the everyone, so it is probably alright.

Still think twice losses on both sides would be interesting. It would actually add abit of strategy to who you have in your alliance. Having a mix of living gods and daimons would provide interesting gameplay during wars, unlike the current state of all living gods or AG's, ect. But, meh...

[Clarkey]

Has the max ascensions on Main been lifted?
My friend couldn't ascend to AG+1.

[Forum]

not yet but will be in the next few days...

Has the max ascensions on Main been lifted?
My friend couldn't ascend to AG+1.

[TipsY]

that was my thinking too, but if it makes the daimon more powerful than the ascends, sorta defeats the purpose...
i like the 'double edge sword' concept of a daimon. if i can think of a 'good' other double edge, i will add (if i can do it in next day or 2, as after that i want to finalize the update so people can use it if they wish )
the ascended curse i am not sold on --i think it would make planning/strategy very hard... although will think a bit more on this...

Okay so obviously we need to think of a new double sword effect, that will hurt Daimons let's say 60% and ascended people 40% or something, simply put Daimons must loose more but still some kind of double sword...

And Yeah Ascended Curse was a quick idea (thanks to Mato) but it can be named like something else or work some other way, something in a mixture of a double sword, opposite ascended blessing and being more beneficial for ascended player in ascended vs daimon battle...

[Clarkey]

Ah ok, thanks Forum.
I see it takes 60k UP to ascend now! quite a big jump!

[High Empty]

LOSES UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sinister]

Causing losses on both sides, even if it is 60/40 or whatever, makes it more beneficial to be a daimon. Keep in mind, those who still play ascended will stil have to worry about retaliation on that server while the daimons do not, and most daimons will have a bigger % boost to there main accounts. And before anyone says it, im not talking about me fearing retaliation, though now i do have to worry about that a little more

[TipsY]

Causing losses on both sides, even if it is 60/40 or whatever, makes it more beneficial to be a daimon. Keep in mind, those who still play ascended will stil have to worry about retaliation on that server while the daimons do not, and most daimons will have a bigger % boost to there main accounts. And before anyone says it, im not talking about me fearing retaliation, though now i do have to worry about that a little more

Good point about Daimons not having to worry about ascended server... But Daimons can't ascend again unless they go to normal race and start at prior again... So wouldn't it be fair if they have double losses to have atleast some effect to the attacker?

Example ascended player attacks a Daimon kills double his def units and steals his naq, BUT he also... (now put something here)