changes in ascension/main going to production

[Xin]

A suggestion for DAEMONDS for you Admin

Daemons are ppl who used to be ascended and therfor have obtained some of the knowledge that they used to posses while being ascended and with them deascending themselves they actually can use some of that knowledge in main.

So once it happens DAEMON could get an option to chose from (which of the knowledge will he obtain options being )

( mind only numbers I have considered reasonable are put here if Admin sees some better ones he can easily changes them)

~ 15% Attack boost
~ 15% Defence Boost
~ 10% MS Bonus (fleets inculded)
~ 20% Covert/AC Bonus
~ 5% Income Bonus
~ 5% UP Bonus

Now this is what Daemon could obtain but he could choose only one of the above options and the option would disply under Technology as an additional TECH. (Call it ascension TECH or whatever)

Now as we wanted to have a two-edged sword and since it would be unfair to just reward ppl who stop playing ascension with Bonuses the following would be possible.

Since Daemon has deascended himself and is a way like banished from Ascesion plane he could suffer an effect called (lets just call it this way so we have a term to use in this example LoL) Ascended PLAGUE.
Every time DAEMOND would attack he would RISK ASCENEDED plagues and it the chance of it happening would be EXACTLY the same as the chance of getting ascended blessing (it would in a way replace it). When this PLAGUE would "strike" the DAEMOND would lose 2% of worth of his original attack in units. To explain if Daimond would have:

1,2 mils of Super soldiers
2,2 mils of attack mercs
= 3,4 mils of total in units
being a total of about 440 bils attack (just incase you wonder)
When PLAGUE would strike he would lose 2% of his units in attack = 68k of units but he wouldnt lose them in attack. Nope that could easily be abused (he just gets the 15% attack bonus and would gain more then with losing some random attack units)... he would lose his miners...

So in some massing this guy would lose like 500k UUs + just because of this blessing (and the % can even be set higher)

In this way the guy couldnt warfare with some alliances and doing guerilla like tactics well he could but he would be loosing whats dear to him and thats miners...
If this daimond would be a peacefull player he wouldnt lose units with raiding and stuff like that...since his attack when he raids is surely small
But thats not all there is one more thing!

Every time the market would reset (so once weekly) this guy would lose (now here are two possibilities you Admin pick)
His daily UP (whatever the figure) or a fixed amount of units (suggestion 500k)

This way daimonds would have a rough time warfaring with ppl knowing they cant be touched in ascension. Especially as we all know ppls defences will jsut be getting bigger and to mass tehm ppl like daemond will just need 1 trill+ attack and losses he will have then will just be huge!
Also Any peaceloving Daemond who thinks he ll just have his up bonus or income one and use it to get pass the limit of 75 and others will have in future think again you ll lose quite some units weekly (if you ll farm for naq even some more) so Daemond will have even a harder time to egt pass the limits.

Never the less it will all be possible also bonuses will be interesting and new thing so quite some ppl may decide to be daemond but they certanly wont have it EASY...

Thats my suggestion at least ADMIN (Jason) it can be altered so it fits even more but the main idea is to keep the two edged sword, to keep daemond as an interesting part of gameplay and to add a bit of SG in it and make it fitting with the things we know.


Best Regards: Blue

Sorry, I think that idea is terrible. Your suggestion doesn't mean that they wouldn't have it easy - It would cripple them for no good reason, and ANYBODY could stomp them into the ground. Losing UP or 500k UU a week is beyond unfair. They would need 71k UP just to break even on the UU scale, and losing your UP each week would just stop them getting any at all.

Losing 2% of your attack size is just as ridiculous, especially if it is just on top of what is already lost. No reasonable person would choose to be a Daimon under your system. They simply would lose too much for no gain.

I also agree that this would be an extremely bad move for the Daimon race. It would not only permanently cripple anyone that should decide to play that race but it would also make that race/aspect of the game completely unplayable. The idea that PSICOLIX posted I think has some merit since it would still cost those who decided to decend themselves but it wouldn't cripple them indefinately.

[Forum]

may be a great suggestion, but too complicated, too late...
pick one, and push for it

A suggestion for DAEMONDS for you Admin

Daemons are ppl who used to be ascended and therfor have obtained some of the knowledge that they used to posses while being ascended and with them deascending themselves they actually can use some of that knowledge in main.

So once it happens DAEMON could get an option to chose from (which of the knowledge will he obtain options being )

( mind only numbers I have considered reasonable are put here if Admin sees some better ones he can easily changes them)

~ 15% Attack boost
~ 15% Defence Boost
~ 10% MS Bonus (fleets inculded)
~ 20% Covert/AC Bonus
~ 5% Income Bonus
~ 5% UP Bonus

Now this is what Daemon could obtain but he could choose only one of the above options and the option would disply under Technology as an additional TECH. (Call it ascension TECH or whatever)

Now as we wanted to have a two-edged sword and since it would be unfair to just reward ppl who stop playing ascension with Bonuses the following would be possible.

Since Daemon has deascended himself and is a way like banished from Ascesion plane he could suffer an effect called (lets just call it this way so we have a term to use in this example LoL) Ascended PLAGUE.
Every time DAEMOND would attack he would RISK ASCENEDED plagues and it the chance of it happening would be EXACTLY the same as the chance of getting ascended blessing (it would in a way replace it). When this PLAGUE would "strike" the DAEMOND would lose 2% of worth of his original attack in units. To explain if Daimond would have:

1,2 mils of Super soldiers
2,2 mils of attack mercs
= 3,4 mils of total in units
being a total of about 440 bils attack (just incase you wonder)
When PLAGUE would strike he would lose 2% of his units in attack = 68k of units but he wouldnt lose them in attack. Nope that could easily be abused (he just gets the 15% attack bonus and would gain more then with losing some random attack units)... he would lose his miners...

So in some massing this guy would lose like 500k UUs + just because of this blessing (and the % can even be set higher)

In this way the guy couldnt warfare with some alliances and doing guerilla like tactics well he could but he would be loosing whats dear to him and thats miners...
If this daimond would be a peacefull player he wouldnt lose units with raiding and stuff like that...since his attack when he raids is surely small
But thats not all there is one more thing!

Every time the market would reset (so once weekly) this guy would lose (now here are two possibilities you Admin pick)
His daily UP (whatever the figure) or a fixed amount of units (suggestion 500k)

This way daimonds would have a rough time warfaring with ppl knowing they cant be touched in ascension. Especially as we all know ppls defences will jsut be getting bigger and to mass tehm ppl like daemond will just need 1 trill+ attack and losses he will have then will just be huge!
Also Any peaceloving Daemond who thinks he ll just have his up bonus or income one and use it to get pass the limit of 75 and others will have in future think again you ll lose quite some units weekly (if you ll farm for naq even some more) so Daemond will have even a harder time to egt pass the limits.

Never the less it will all be possible also bonuses will be interesting and new thing so quite some ppl may decide to be daemond but they certanly wont have it EASY...

Thats my suggestion at least ADMIN (Jason) it can be altered so it fits even more but the main idea is to keep the two edged sword, to keep daemond as an interesting part of gameplay and to add a bit of SG in it and make it fitting with the things we know.


Best Regards: Blue

[chargin]

is it safe to assume your reading the suggestion in my last post? Took my ages to write that "thing". You're not allowed to quote everyone except me.

[Hntrchan]

This one is going to make some people hate on me . but is it too early to request a increase from 6 to 8 digits on th "LF Cache into LF Reserves- one to one conversion"

[MackTheKnife]

Are you going to be changing the Daimon race any more? Since the original updates you have added the double casualties thing (I think, if I am wrong I apologise).

edit -
The descension page has stuff on Daimons, but also says:

You will exist only in the mortal plane of existence, using your Ascended weaponry, but without the ascended blessing, and only half of the normal bonuses or strengths associated with being allied to a truly Ascended God.

What is it supposed to be?

Also, it should be stated there if Daimon will make your main account "new" (ie you lose all your stats and have to start over) or if it "mutates" your current main account/race into a Daimon account/race and keep all your existing stuff like UP, Planets, Weapons, Tech Levels, UU etc.

Quoting to hopefully have it answered.

[Forum]

if you suggest a double edge sword update i like, it will likly go in....

Are you going to be changing the Daimon race any more? Since the original updates you have added the double casualties thing (I think, if I am wrong I apologise).

edit -
The descension page has stuff on Daimons, but also says:

You will exist only in the mortal plane of existence, using your Ascended weaponry, but without the ascended blessing, and only half of the normal bonuses or strengths associated with being allied to a truly Ascended God.

What is it supposed to be?

Also, it should be stated there if Daimon will make your main account "new" (ie you lose all your stats and have to start over) or if it "mutates" your current main account/race into a Daimon account/race and keep all your existing stuff like UP, Planets, Weapons, Tech Levels, UU etc.

Quoting to hopefully have it answered.

[chargin]

Double edged sword.

2. daemons, advantage and disadvantage
“the ascended being seem to have cursed you with an I’ll fate, twice as many men die in battle, both yourself even the enemy if he walks upon your cursed lands…but you notice something strange, deaths seems to coincide with new life, could it be that for every 2 of your most well trained [race specific unit, eg replicators, men, what ever] that fall an untrained is born? Somebody up there must still like you”

This would mean while attacking you do lose twice as many units, but ½ your super loses come back as untrained, so the effect is a small disadvantage while attacking, it just means men have to be retrained.

It could have huge ramifications if you are being massed, it may even be worth massing somebody for their newborn untrained! You kill twice as many units of theirs while attacking them, but you also sustain double losses, so their weapons become unmanned easier, meaning u can take out defence with your losses getting smaller fast. Then when you have finished, you can raid them. It could become viable to mass people for their units when they have around 500k-1mil supers!

It makes it more risky to be a daemon, the bigger the def you get, the more untrained somebody can steal from you when the mass you! Of course, you can always attack them back!

So yes attacking daemons would cost more units if they build a big def but they can be massed then raided so you can gain units off them. If you are above 75mil, sell the raiding target for naq or turns or give it to a friend!

[Hells__Angel]

Ok, so, I know this may have breathed life into the server, but I already know of 3-4 good strong ascended players who are going to quit because their efforts have been wasted.

The least you can do is up the min APP to 2-3m.

[MackTheKnife]

I think double casualties is way too harsh a disadvantage.

Daimon Questions:

The Descension page has stuff on Daimons, but also says:

You will exist only in the mortal plane of existence, using your Ascended weaponry, but without the ascended blessing, and only half of the normal bonuses or strengths associated with being allied to a truly Ascended God.

What is it supposed to be?

Will you lose all your stats and have to start over if you choose to Daimon yourself in Ascension? OR

Will it "mutate" your current main account/race into a Daimon, if so will a newly daimoned account keep all existing stuff like UP, Planets, Weapons, Tech Levels, UU etc.

[~Phoenix~]

I jsut spent a day of my "new" income and my up jsut went from 4.5 to 6.5mil a day.. this just gets worse and worse.

[Finarfin]

I jsut spent a day of my "new" income and my up jsut went from 4.5 to 6.5mil a day.. this just gets worse and worse.

Oh poor you. Sorry for not feeling sorry for your increase only being bigger then most of the people playing ascended.

[~Phoenix~]

I jsut spent a day of my "new" income and my up jsut went from 4.5 to 6.5mil a day.. this just gets worse and worse.

Oh poor you. Sorry for not feeling sorry for your increase only being bigger then most of the people playing ascended.

because I earned it.. and comapred to others thats STILL small. YOU dont even use your real game name. Scared?

[Finarfin]

I jsut spent a day of my "new" income and my up jsut went from 4.5 to 6.5mil a day.. this just gets worse and worse.

Oh poor you. Sorry for not feeling sorry for your increase only being bigger then most of the people playing ascended.

because I earned it.. and comapred to others thats STILL small. YOU dont even use your real game name. Scared?

http://ascended.stargatewars.com/stats.php?id=2965

[~Phoenix~]

No wonder, you probably got like 10x your UP from this. Not surprised you're all for it. Your the example of teh kind of person because of which admin doesnt want to raise the min APP cap, beacuse you have done small rubbish ascensions and you would profit loads.

[Mojo Rising]

Jason,

You can have all the inches you want from now on. You have finally found the perfect way to make me quit. You put out an update that is so totally bolluxed that the server will never recover. I will explain why if you want me to email you but it is too wordy here (and I know how much you hate words). I am quitting because you implied that I had knowledge of a bug that I did not report to you. This is after you let it be thought that DD was abusing the SW in ascension when it was you who gave us the blessing to do it in the first place. You, for whatever reason, seem to have it in for me and, by extension, my alliance. I am hoping that whatever animosity you have towards me will no longer be directed at my alliance once I leave the game. God Bless you and your family. I have made some wonderful friends on this game and I will miss them dearly. I thank you for that, Jason. But you also took 2.5 years of hard work, patience, and skill and flushed them down the toilet, along with any remaining respect I had for you. And all this comes on the heels of having to put my grandmother in the ground. I can't fight you any more Jason. I am just too exhausted to do it anymore. I took hits from all sides in order to make sure that I would possibly be able to undo some of the evil changes that you have made to this game. I was unsuccessful at every turn. (oh wait, you removed the SW, albeit six months too late but hey, I will give you credit for one thing that you did that I actually wanted, despite the fact that just about every other sentient being playing this game wanted the same damn thing).

Now the Daimons will rule main, the quick ascenders will rule ascension and those of us who have played your game for lo these past 2.5 years will just be a faint memory.

To those of you who don't like me, Christmas has come early for you. For those that I count as friends, I pray that Jason is healed of his brain fever soon and realizes that the server is bolluxed up and that he might be able to fix it before the Second Coming. Enjoy the game and each other and God Bless Everyone!

BTW, Jason. I bought 15000 fleets in ascension and the price went down about two hours after I did it to one fifth the price. I am only asking this for the benefit of whomever receives my account: Could I please get the DMU refunded for those levels? Or was this just another in a series of updates to further persecute me and cause me to quit? If so, it was an unnecessary measure as you had already achieved that by leaving me hanging out to dry twice and the bolluxing the server.