what have you done SGW's?

[Legendary Apophis]

Good post there wolf, I think I agree with everything there except mabye the killing uu part... although I came in just after that update was bought in. (Can't remember having them killable anyway) Sort of in tok'ras opinion there, it lends itself to the strong players a bit. (Although they would get wiped occasionally and main isnt exponential as ascended is)

Imo the raid feature as it was implemented the second time didnt hurt the game a great deal, but when more turns were put on the market it did... turned into a massive clickfest. Sure you can compete with other players not being a clickmonkey, (Not saying anything wrong with people who want to work on their account etc) but it makes it does make it difficult.

These updates I think could not be turned back... (As much as I would like it, there would be too much complaining) Although this does place a lot of the blame on the updates... The community is by no means excused, people don't have to flame, spam and make asses of themselves. (Pretty sure I've done all three at one point or another... )

Let them complain, it'd only be the same people over again the ones who stand to lose $$ fleecing people in the game, reset the server to two years ago and maybe unemployment will be less cause these bums will then have to get a job

rofl sgw is the cause of unemployement in countries, that would be funny if it was!

[Ash]

Good post there wolf, I think I agree with everything there except mabye the killing uu part... although I came in just after that update was bought in. (Can't remember having them killable anyway) Sort of in tok'ras opinion there, it lends itself to the strong players a bit. (Although they would get wiped occasionally and main isnt exponential as ascended is)

Imo the raid feature as it was implemented the second time didnt hurt the game a great deal, but when more turns were put on the market it did... turned into a massive clickfest. Sure you can compete with other players not being a clickmonkey, (Not saying anything wrong with people who want to work on their account etc) but it makes it does make it difficult.

These updates I think could not be turned back... (As much as I would like it, there would be too much complaining) Although this does place a lot of the blame on the updates... The community is by no means excused, people don't have to flame, spam and make asses of themselves. (Pretty sure I've done all three at one point or another... )

Let them complain, it'd only be the same people over again the ones who stand to lose $$ fleecing people in the game, reset the server to two years ago and maybe unemployment will be less cause these bums will then have to get a job

And what about the ppl who have joined after that two year period, like me, heck i've been playing for less then a year even so if you have it reset my account will be wiped. Im sorry but resets are a copout answer. Especially ones being rolled back so much.
Had that happen in another game that i started around the same time as i did this one, spent 6 months making a respectable account, and then the entire server was rest to 9 month previous, so i was supposed to begin again from scratch like a grinning idiot, so No way.

Then again i might be reading that wrong (has been known to happen)

[Commander Freyr]

Well though I have never really posted on the forums much recently, I have been playing the game for quite a long time. I started playing back in march of 05. Back then i would cruise around the forum and read all the posts because it was often hilarious. I forgot my forum account login, or maybe they switched forums. I don't know.

Anyway I played the game for a while, and then I sort of forgot about the game for maybe 4 or so months. I came back in May of 06 and started to play again. I play the same way now that I played back then, I really don't do much attacking. Just sitting and build slowly, so my account is very small.

I never got back into the forum again and pretty much stayed within alliance forums. So it is hard for me to say exactly but this is what i feel happened.

I live in the U.S, in a big city with a lot of people. I often go down to the south and visit very small towns in the much more rural areas. And I find that the people there are much more hospitable and just generally nicer. Everyone says hi, you stop to chat with strangers. They offer you food, and anything else that they have.

I come back to the city and it is crazy, people just don't care about each other here. And it is not that the people are more cruel hearted, it is just the environment in which they live in.

In my opinion SGW made the transition from a small rural town, to a large bustling city. Back in 05' there were not a whole lot of people here, and most people knew each other the community was much more friendly. Now the game is so large that it is just so impersonal. I am sure that there are a lot of other factors that have contributed to the "downfall", but I think that this is a good analogy.

Anyone agree?

[Jora Sjacka]

It's all in the dollars, people.

It's probably been mentioned already - I didn't bother to read the entire thread - but as soon as people can make money from a game, they will get a lot more angry and unhappy when others attack you, because they in the essence destroy your money.

The game went to kajiggers as soon as money was involved.

-Jora, pretending to be wise-

[Amon]

It's all in the dollars, people.

It's probably been mentioned already - I didn't bother to read the entire thread - but as soon as people can make money from a game, they will get a lot more angry and unhappy when others attack you, because they in the essence destroy your money.

The game went to kajiggers as soon as money was involved.

-Jora, pretending to be wise-

Exactly, take the money out of the game cause it's getting abused

[Lord_Zeus]

It's all in the dollars, people.

It's probably been mentioned already - I didn't bother to read the entire thread - but as soon as people can make money from a game, they will get a lot more angry and unhappy when others attack you, because they in the essence destroy your money.

The game went to kajiggers as soon as money was involved.

-Jora, pretending to be wise-

Exactly, take the money out of the game cause it's getting abused

Impossible to take the money out of it, ban trades and it and it will simply go black market... Only way to do it is to make it so easy to catch up that resources aren't worth anything. And the outcry from this would be ridiculous and to do itself would be impossible.

[Borek]

Impossible to take the money out of it, ban trades and it and it will simply go black market... Only way to do it is to make it so easy to catch up that resources aren't worth anything. And the outcry from this would be ridiculous and to do itself would be impossible.

It's already easy to catch up

[TheRook]

what have you done, to make it that the whole community cannot be trusted?

what have you done, to make this place so cruel?

what have you done, to make us wonder?

what have you done, but destroy this place?

-.-Psi Kiya Trist-.-

what have you done, to make this place so cruel?

Since I have gotten large I have grown more impatient with smaller armysize players attacking members of my alliance...

what have you done, to make us wonder?

I hopefully have suggested a few fixes and updates which have come in hopefully to make the game better


those two things that I feel I have done that are based around the game the other two I haven't answered as I hope that I have not done anything to damage the community...

but I'm sure if anyone recalls something I've done to do that they will post here

TheRook

[ogre9805]

exactly right folks take the $$$ out the game and the only way to do that is to make the ingame trading more beneficial to the players , if its got more for sale and less costs ppl wont make money from it , making it less life and death about selling stuff , remove the $$ and add the respect factor back to it , and the game will be as good now as it used to be

[semper]

the problem is $$ and ego's. Always was, always will be, i said it when they first made the PPT, and I still say it now. The second people use proper, real, sometimes tangible resources it becomes a whole new game with actually something to lose. So people get serious. They get nasty, and low. Most of all they get addicted to the fun they have, making them spend more money, increasing the risk. Increasing the intensity of the previous emotions. People with the greater power ally together as to avoid a financial loss, ergo only leaving them the smaller ranks and power accounts to attack, people with little to no chance of ever defending themselves against them, or building up to be in a position to do so.

This was partly countered by the introduction of raiding, which did level the playing field considerably, but presented another problem. Who actually has the time to conduct massive raids on a grand scale and still retain some form of self respect? I sure as hell dont. So People lower the playing fields..but old alliances die hard, and we are faced with the final error. With ascention overidden with countless accounts, losing its credibility on a game wide scale due to many reasons (excluding to the nooest noobs) and a cap of 100mill men. Where do the big players turn? Do they allow the smaller ones to reach them, thereby losing their power base bonus effectively, or does admin make it so they can advance to unimaginable heights? Of course, the cap remains, the bigger/older players either begin to fade out or sell up entirely allowing noobs to buy their way to the top, where they have no sense of fellowship/respect for those who have been playing with one another for many months, generating a negative feel, as naturally the noobies gather together and we have a divide, weather subtle (which Id say it is) or in full view. Obviously there have always being people like such, but never to the scale there is now.

Further advancing from that. The bigger players become frustrated, having not really many places to turn other then the forums, which of course is teeming with nit-wits and we have yet another argument, or warmongering 'tyrants' that show their less respectable sides.

Also, is the power factor. People let a handful of white and black (sometimes red and even green!) pixels go to their heads, thinking that because they have 75million UU in-game, they are some sort of special person, when in fact they have just reached the pinnacle of needing to see some sort of life consultant/shrink for thinking it. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

People took things to seriously on the forums, taking people to the cleaners because of opinions and sometimes even intelligent points with merit, that disagree with their own. Said person cannot defend against it, so take the childish frustration out in the one place where they have the advantage. Then to top it off, half the times the mods were spineless, too scared to grow a pair and speak up for fear of losing what they had in-game, because people would make them pay for doing their job. OR! they were too impartial, standing by friends far to religiously whilst not even bothering to ask another mod to step in. (We all know what has happened in the past along these lines.) To take that even further, being a mod was nearly, at one point exclusively given to people in real positions of power in-game, who either abused the power, or never did anything with it, it was just a title needed to feed the ego. (I point out, some did use it well, some did deserve it, some obviously had it because they had been there a long time and others just because they knew admin.)

What do you want to say as a solution? Lol. There is none. The game has gone to far down a bad path, making a lot of sad silly little people either very commited or lacking in the bank balance, and a lot of others either smiling in profit gained from fools or 3 years of time raiding, arguing, with some laughs, but time never the less, time they will never get back. but of course, it may have been worth it to them!

[Spacey]

As per my promise... I write now about

• what have you done, to make it that the whole community cannot be trusted?
• what have you done, to make this place so cruel?
• what have you done, to make us wonder?
• what have you done, but destroy this place?

First question:
I don't think I've done anything to make the community into something where people cannot be trusted. Some people may quote me as saying this as something, but (as I've said before) it was presented out of context, as the thread is public users can make their own decisions now. Other than that I don't think I've done anything to create an environment where one does not trust another (I don't think I did anything). If I did please do let me know.

3rd question:
I'm sure a lot of people wonder about me, about a great many things.

2nd and 4th question:
There was a time, not too long ago, when the Respect Group was the focus of criticism (not constructive), slander, and open 'attacks' from forum users. This was when the group had a colour in their name. My objective isn't to talk about the name colour, but to talk about something that began in the mod station and was brought out/spilled into the general section.

It so happened that in the course of these events I didn't read a few posts properly from Åpophis ™ and posted to something I though I saw. Something that wasn't there, but only existed for me (post content not saying what I thought). The thread I'm talking about still exists (as far as I know). It's isn't in public now, but was moved away when a former supermod acted on their own accord moving their thread to "The Dump", and creating the thread in the first place.

Upon realization that I had in fact been totally off the mark with my posts directed toward Åpophis ™ I apologized publicly to him, in that removed thread. I made one post and posted it, but didn't like how it sounded so copied it, edited it, deleted the old post, and reposted before anyone had a chance to reply thereby cutting off my chance to delete my post and put a reply in the same place. I know I only made one delete, and I only deleted my original post (two post from me weren't there in the thread, and the post that was before mine remained).

It so turned out the next day a thread was waiting for me in the moderator station. Not a pm to my inbox but a thread with my name on it and that of another person (not even a mod) asking which one of us had deleted a post, made by a former admin, in the thread that I apologized to Apophis in.

It was clear that since x player wasn't a mod they could not have deleted a post from admin, and so the thread was there for me. The tone of the thread was accusatory. It began asking both of us who deleted the post, but as I was the only mod, it followed in a subsequent post that the admin wanted answers for it or it wouldn't be good for me, another post saying that I shouldn't 'peeve' this admin off (not the word used), and that this admin could find many ways to make my life 'painful'.

I was accused of something, convicted of being guilty, and was being tried by a former admin and former supermod before I had a chance to speak or even read the thread. All the while a former supermod was trying to bring in examples to show that I was incompetent and guilty of the accusations put before me.

I began thinking that I had done something wrong. Something I was unaware of and that I should not have done. I began knowing what I did, but not of what happened. My search began in the mod logs scouring each entry looking for an answer to what happened.

As the story played out the former admin said that it was only me and the other person who deleted posts in that thread, and later turned out that the former supermod also deleted a post in that thread, that same supermod who had been trying to show I was incompetent and guilty. I moved quickly from confusion into anger.

I came back into the thread. I layed out the time sequence of my posts, who I talked to that night, I accounted for IP's and where I was and showed correlation between pm's sent and the apology respective to time.

I began a tirade upon my accuser and his supporter for the accusations, what was claimed, and what actually took place:

- former admin says I delete his post, threatens me, and says only myself and another person (not a mod) deleted in that thread
- former supermod presents a case of me being guilty through incompetence and neglect
- it is found that supermod above also deleted in the thread
- I present my case accoutn for time, IP's, who I talked to, pm's I send close to the time I posted the apology again with tirade at end.

The post is what has been presented on the forum, blacked out to only show swearing, and it wasn't pasted on this forum in it entirety: it just shows the tirade. In the process it doesn't present my case, it shows a one sided view of what happened.

This is the post as it appears as publicly posted on this forum. I only edited out the bad words. Ironically enough, in the thread this post appears some have judged me based on only seeing my post, saying that I should have been more mature, etc., etc. (will comment on later). A judgement without know what happened before, and what was even said in my post (so much was blacked out). Apparently it is enough for some to prove guilt... and I am told I always see what I want to?

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The time that the former admin posted was never said (the former supermod was proving more answers for the admin's post... former admin didn't post again in the thread), who the post was after was never said, along with other things, and more importantly how a supermod could know more and present more about admin post than admin still baffles me. There was my accusation and conviction of being guilty though, and even that was done 'publicly' to all mods rather than in pm.

In the following weeks I did not let up. My name was sullied without proof or even strong evidence. The former supermods thread about the Respect Group and the arguments and attacks continued in public, and my accusation of guilt raged on behind closed doors.

I should have posted better. I regret not doing so. In my anger I help to divide the mod station and helped create an atmosphere that I hated seeing when others argued with each other.

I became that which I strove so hard to fight against. To fight your enemy you must know your enemy. In my anger I was consumed and raged my war in public (anti respect group thread) and in private (accusation thread). I was being attacked on both fronts and took the battle to those who wished to wage a war with me and took their tactics back to them. In lowering myself to the level of those who attacked me I ended up hurting those around me: those mods who, like me at one point, hated seeing other mods argue.

I lost what it was that made me want to be a mod, and disappointed myself in conducting myself in a manner that those I had idolized in modding would have never acted (in no order: Wolf359, Sleip, buck, Pookie, Psi, Goo, Spoon, and The King).

To them (my modding idols and mods to see the arguement) I am eternally sorry. Even to those who accused me I apologized for my conduct (the above post): the supermod saying to my pm that my apology means nothing, and I got no reply from the former admin (no surprise there).

This is what I have done to make this place worse. I stepped down as supermod because of it, [and] was/is looking for someone to replace me in Misc and as leader of the Respect Group.

I can't remember how many times I've told people that they need to think about what they see. That I could be accused, threatened, convicted in less than one page of posts without speaking for myself and with people not presenting all the facts astounds me.

Part of me wants that thread to be public. It is amazing that of all the "scandals" that have made their way here into the public, that this isn't one of them. The puppet masters have guided this forum to depths they have never reached, and there is something to be said for 5-6 months of defending yourself and something you belief in, but I know nothing good will come of those threads being made public (again and for the first time). It's almost like they are have played on the love of sensational events, stressing some and letting some die.

It was tragic irony that the same accusations of advantages/benefits that were leveled to the respect group for a name colour on the forum were also brought to mods for the name name ingame: the claim that it conferred some value for having it.

I don't think what I've written does justice to what actually happened, nor does it show sequence of disputes on this forum and correlation with players throughout the past 6 months. I don't think anyone would be interested or make a huff about this, as opposed to misquoting someone to prove guilt of mods, and so it seems, only those who saw this happening will know much of it as it's gradually forgotten and buried under what some guide many in seeing. Like sheep being lead to their slaughter (the trend of this forum) it is no wonder we are where we are.

I imagine that this post will get few (if any) replies, and less still to read what I've written, and even less that stop to think about everything that I said and what they haven't seen.

THINK. THINK. THINK. If you do anything in life: think for yourself. Think critically and never accept outright what someone tells you, be that in a jpeg of a post, a partial quote from someones full post, or being told something from someone you probably don't really know (as someone has quoted me as saying 'do we really know anyone here, if we don't actually know them in real life'). So many here don't think for themselves and many more don't want to... but ask yourself if that will help you in life?

It makes the difference of being lead to leading.

[Acronon]

The answer is simple, there is no community left to this community.

[Ergon]

then there i s no comunity =o

[Acronon]

Okay, I will elaborate.

Back in the day when this forum was a really great place to hang out and get to know people we had many fights and arguments but there was at least a general feeling of community for all here.

We may not have always liked one another but we did at least respect each other more than you see here these days and we realized that we were all here because we enjoyed the same thing and had a passion for the same thing.

Now, however, this is not the case, the general feel of the forums now is that we care only for those that we can get something from with no sense of honor or morality.

[[SGC_ReplicÅtors]]

im filled with hate when i look at these forums **Filtered** who and have gone back on there words, myself included, just the sheer crap i never liked