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[Borek]

Raistlin I believe this is what the respect group is for..or at least by extension what it was intended to be.

nothing ever happened from the respect group, other then ppl being mad over the color.

You have unwittingly summed up why this latest attempt will fail Judo, hehe. As i already said the staff are not going to go to a 3rd party web site when they have their own. On top of that i strongly suspect this is just a lame attempt by Wes to exert some leverage over the game despite the fact that Forum has made it clear he doesn't want anything to do with him anymore.

If you want to suggest improvements to the game or forum then there is nothing to stop anyone doing it here as long as they stick to the rules. This new site is just somewhere where all the people who got banned can whine and why would the staff want anything to do with that?

[semper]

nah..what this forum needs is some hard assed mods who come down on people like a ton of bricks. The respect group is more of a place, NOW, to discuss some issues and other things without being threatened or bullied for it, and then trying to be a bit nicer around the forum. But yes this would just be another unfortunate faliure.

[RobinInDaHood]

nothing ever happened from the respect group, other then ppl being mad over the color.

My entire experience with the "Respect" group boiled down to a PM I received after applying and being accepted. Never did find out what the deal was since I've never been under any "investigation" that I'm aware of nor have I ever posted anything that required a warning from a moderator. I gave up on the whole idea of a "respect" group after this. Whatevah. :S

Robinindahood, there is an issue that I need to draw your attention to about a course of action that I have to take. It has come to my attention that you are 'of concern' with the admin team. There is something that is under some scrutiny with them, I don't know any details(I'm not a mod and am not told these things...too low on the food chain). I didn't accept you to the group to dismiss you. There is very little that I know about the workings of the admin and the forum.

What I have to do, as much as I don't want to remove anyone, is dismiss you from the Respect group until this issue clears over. It was not something thatIt would be terrible for the cause and you to bring back respect to the group, and would be used as ammunition against you and the group.

It is therefore, a call that I'm making, for the good of the group. It has nothing to do with post, or anything like that. I hope you understand, and when it comes to me that you are cleared of everything I'll be more than happy to have you back in.

[semper]

well thats not a very nice pm now.. how can they make a judgement to kick you from the group, considering if they have only heard whispers about whats going on, how is anyone else going to know about it. lol..just seems like a very odd thing to do to be honest. If I was boss O the respect group (not that im saying spacey is a bad boss, cos he's a cool guy.) I certainly wont of let you get booted, your probably would have given some life

[Spacey]

For the purposes of this post, unless otherwise stated, "you" is used in a generic sense:

Issues to address:

Raistlin I believe this is what the respect group is for..or at least by extension what it was intended to be.

Function of the Respect Group.

Raistlin I believe this is what the respect group is for..or at least by extension what it was intended to be.

nothing ever happened from the respect group, other then ppl being mad over the color.

Respect Group Colour.

============================= Function V-1.01

God...

Why does every bloody thread seem to come back to the Respect Group. All this junk for a minority of people that, for the most part, keep to themselves. Don't you all have something else to argue/point fingers/judge/etc. about? It's almost like each of your lives centre around the Respect Group, whether you may or may not be in the group. Bloody hell... at least give me 2 full weeks with 0 problems here to deal with... find something else to occupy yourselves with... find another minuscule occurrence, group, person, and make their life hell when they come here... just give me 2 weeks without any problems to deal with here... distance yourselves from the petty differences that you hold and those grievances/wrongs that you fell have been committed against you and spend 2 weeks not bringing up things that have already been talked about extensively, and creating more problems... do you all have that much free time that there is nothing else for you to spend you time on?

(insert reply from you all saying Respect members cause problems, are the root of evil, etc. etc., etc.)

The Respect Group is a group... of people... that post here or don't. The Respect Group is a group that has a place to hang their hats they are not a location. They are members of this community.

It never ends here does it? It's always the same junk just repeated by different people over and over again. Somewho, but some means, these issues always seem to come up... no matter how much they were discussed in the past.

For those of you who don't know what the Respect Group is about, read this:
viewtopic.php?f=101&t=81332
the second of two threads... viewtopic.php?f=101&t=83523
viewtopic.php?f=101&t=83499

... and there are many more. Go searching if you want to find them.

============================= Colour V-1.01
Judochop is probably the most accurate person in his description. People got upset over the colour claiming it gave members privileges, etc., etc. I would like to remind you that the same thing was leveled to mods when the mod tag was put in ('it gives mods privilages', etc. blah blah blah) when it did nothing of the sort. The above links also cover the issue of colour.

My entire experience with the "Respect" group boiled down to a PM I received after applying and being accepted. Never did find out what the deal was since I've never been under any "investigation" that I'm aware of nor have I ever posted anything that required a warning from a moderator. I gave up on the whole idea of a "respect" group after this. Whatevah. :S

Robinindahood, there is an issue that I need to draw your attention to about a course of action that I have to take. It has come to my attention that you are 'of concern' with the admin team. There is something that is under some scrutiny with them, I don't know any details(I'm not a mod and am not told these things...too low on the food chain). I didn't accept you to the group to dismiss you. There is very little that I know about the workings of the admin and the forum.

What I have to do, as much as I don't want to remove anyone, is dismiss you from the Respect group until this issue clears over. It was not something thatIt would be terrible for the cause and you to bring back respect to the group, and would be used as ammunition against you and the group.

It is therefore, a call that I'm making, for the good of the group. It has nothing to do with post, or anything like that. I hope you understand, and when it comes to me that you are cleared of everything I'll be more than happy to have you back in.

well thats not a very nice pm now.. how can they make a judgement to kick you from the group, considering if they have only heard whispers about whats going on, how is anyone else going to know about it. lol..just seems like a very odd thing to do to be honest. If I was boss O the respect group (not that im saying spacey is a bad boss, cos he's a cool guy.) I certainly wont of let you get booted, your probably would have given some life

Robin, you gave up on the Respect Group (idea and all) after then but you still have the pm? Whatevah. :S

I send the pm out to Robin. I was privy to sensitive information and after consulting fairly extensively with one mod at the time and someone (another member... who I think had some part in it) I had to make a decision based on the information infront of me and recommendations. It was the greatest and most thought out informed decision that I've ever had to make as the leader. It was my difficult decision to make and I make it.

Do I have any regrets?
Not really. I tried to find out as much as I possible could, but me not being a mod during that time greatly limited the information I had infront of me and what I could know. The basis of my decision was founded on hearing what I could, recommendations/advice, and weighing the possible outcomes. I am confident that I could not have done anymore to make a better choice.

(inset comments about bad leadership)
You know about 98% of my time now with the Respect Group dealing is focused on addressing other peoples problems with the group. Either people that are too lazy to read, search, or are just looking for an arguement, and I've been doing it since approx May... and it's been consistent. Granted there are lulls in complaints, sabs, hate messages, etc.... but for bloody sake... find something else to do with your time or at the very least just keep one thread about the group going. Create one thread about the group and use that...

You don't like the group? You don't understand the issues? Go and look for old threads and read them. Don't waste my time having me explain things that were covered 200 times already.

My days consists of writing research papers (4 research papers at this moment), getting ready for exams, teaching/supervision a high school coop student as he learns advanced human anatomy, volunteering to help teach 3rd year university students human anatomy in lab, and that's part of the academic side of my life. I do some research in the only human anatomy lab at the undergraduate level that does a certain level of cadaver based dissection, detail in information (except for medical schools grad programs and medical schools themself) in all of Canada. This year, I am working on building an anatomy museum here to be kept here to teach people and to use the material as learning tools for university students. One dissection of a human arm (completed this past summer) is being used to test/teachable material for students and will be preserved (or "tanked" to be kept).

You think it's easy, a walk in the park, that it's done with a caliver attitude, or that I like making decision like the one listed? You are dead wrong. There are a lot of better things I can be doing with my time. Spending it dealing with the same issues that pop up ever few weeks isn't on that list... it's not even close to being on my list of urgent and important priorities.

I'm not one of those blokes that goes around ringing my own bell, acting like I'm all high and mighty, and better than everyone else because of am online video game... and I've never mentioned the work I do (in this detail, I have answered some people questions on some things and pm's directed to me), ever, except for now (I think I told Psi about it once during the summer when the Respect Group was getting a lot of guff). Maybe you all think that everyone here is a snot nosed 13 year old who lives in their mother basement, or was/is run by mods/admin/group leaders that just don't give a damn.... but for bloody sake, extend me the same courtesy I give to you.

I don't waste your time, so don't waste mine. Send all the hate messages you want, sab all you want, slag the Respect as much as you'd like (just keep it in one place). I'll get to it all (I really will, no sarcasm here)... because I have nothing else to during my day that reply to issues that were brought up 6 months ago (sarcasm here)...

What was said? Who said it?
Like not discussing who has been removed from the team and corrective action, I will not discuss this with parties who are not directly involved. A large statement was made public by posting a message I sent in pm (but taking this out of pm's and moving into the public eye)...perhaps someone should create an "I hate Spacey" thread somewhere... at least it could keep them all together for ease of replying...

If you want to know more (Robin) ask about it some more. This forum is so involved in 'cover-ups'/'conspiracies'/etc. lately, lets see if the parties have the scruples to talk about it with you (if they are still around)... If I remember properly Robin you already asked one mod about it. I made my intentions perfectly clear:

What I have to do, as much as I don't want to remove anyone, is dismiss you from the Respect group until this issue clears over. It was not something thatIt would be terrible for the cause and you to bring back respect to the group, and would be used as ammunition against you and the group.

It is therefore, a call that I'm making, for the good of the group. It has nothing to do with post, or anything like that. I hope you understand, and when it comes to me that you are cleared of everything I'll be more than happy to have you back in.

If someone doesn't apply again or doesn't care to have anything to do with the group it is their call.

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You know what? I don't really think the problem is with mods/admin/game Jason... Sure everyone has problems and the mod team is no exception, but a lot of the issues are because the problem lies at an individual level. You know... throwing stones while living in glass houses and all that.

It never ends here... never... there is always someone complaining about something. This is a bloody online game... you really think it's that important?

Finished wasting my time,
Kevin

[RobinInDaHood]

Robin, you gave up on the Respect Group (idea and all) after then but you still have the pm? Whatevah. :S

I haven't deleted any PMs from my Inbox because, so far, I haven't exceeded the maximum allowed storage. If you thought I was keeping it to fulfill some kind of future vendetta, you're mistaken.

I send the pm out to Robin. I was privy to sensitive information and after consulting fairly extensively with one mod at the time and someone (another member... who I think had some part in it) I had to make a decision based on the information infront of me and recommendations. It was the greatest and most thought out informed decision that I've ever had to make as the leader. It was my difficult decision to make and I make it.

Do I have any regrets? Not really. I tried to find out as much as I possible could, but me not being a mod during that time greatly limited the information I had infront of me and what I could know. The basis of my decision was founded on hearing what I could, recommendations/advice, and weighing the possible outcomes. I am confident that I could not have done anymore to make a better choice.

I didn't identify you as the sender of the PM. This wasn't intended as a "bash Spacey" post and the intimation that I was trying to bash you is off- base. If I were interested in bashing you, you'd know it. To date, I don't think I've EVER bashed any member of the forums even while having spirited discussions on various matters. My post history is wide open for your review.

What was said? Who said it? Like not discussing who has been removed from the team and corrective action, I will not discuss this with parties who are not directly involved. A large statement was made public by posting a message I sent in pm (but taking this out of pm's and moving into the public eye)...perhaps someone should create an "I hate Spacey" thread somewhere... at least it could keep them all together for ease of replying...

If you want to know more (Robin) ask about it some more. This forum is so involved in 'cover-ups'/'conspiracies'/etc. lately, lets see if the parties have the scruples to talk about it with you (if they are still around)... If I remember properly Robin you already asked one mod about it.

Actually, I PM'ed three moderators about it at the time, only one of which (Shaitan) responded saying they would look into it. No one ever bothered to take it any further. I still have no idea what it was all about, who had an issue with me, or why.

If someone doesn't apply again or doesn't care to have anything to do with the group it is their call.

Fair enough. However, I didn't see any point in participating with a group when, with no evidence, on hearsay, and with no reason provided, a member could be summarily dismissed. It wasn't that I didn't want to have anything to do with the group; the group didn't want to have anything to do with me.

I don't have any problem with you personally Spacey, the Respect group, or its members and I'm sorry if I gave you (or anyone else) that impression. I'll let the issue die.

[killtacular]

Gotta say Robin you have gained alot more respect from me in what you have said.

As for you Spacey how dare you question how WE (generic term) use our time with the internet. All the stuff you said saying hey look at HOW SMART I AM I HAVE NO TIME FOR U DUMMIES that do not understand whats going on with the respect group. That was uncalled for. Your smart big deal . Doesn't make you any more of a person as me or anyone else on these forums.

Im out

[Spacey]

I didn't identify you as the sender of the PM. This wasn't intended as a "bash Spacey" post and the intimation that I was trying to bash you is off- base. If I were interested in bashing you, you'd know it. To date, I don't think I've EVER bashed any member of the forums even while having spirited discussions on various matters. My post history is wide open for your review.

I don't have any problem with you personally Spacey, the Respect group, or its members and I'm sorry if I gave you (or anyone else) that impression. I'll let the issue die.

I know you didn't identify me as the sender. I identified me as the sender of the pm. I was not prepared to see this thread turn into 'So that's what Respect Group is all about', 'No Respect from Respect Group', 'Exclusive Group instead of everyone being able to join', etc, etc. Please think of it as 'fire prevention'.

There was a very limited amount of the post that was directed to you or Semper, most of it was generic. In fact, aside from this:

The Respect Group is a group... of people... that post here or don't. The Respect Group is a group that has a place to hang their hats they are not a location. They are members of this community.

there is nothing else to deal with Semper.

For the purposes of this post, unless otherwise stated, "you" is used in a generic sense:

The only paragraphs that were directed toward you had your name in it. There were three of them.

Robin, you gave up on the Respect Group (idea and all) after then but you still have the pm? Whatevah. :S

I send the pm out to Robin. I was privy to sensitive information and after consulting fairly extensively with one mod at the time and someone (another member... who I think had some part in it) I had to make a decision based on the information infront of me and recommendations. It was the greatest and most thought out informed decision that I've ever had to make as the leader. It was my difficult decision to make and I make it.

If you want to know more (Robin) ask about it some more. This forum is so involved in 'cover-ups'/'conspiracies'/etc. lately, lets see if the parties have the scruples to talk about it with you (if they are still around)... If I remember properly Robin you already asked one mod about it. I made my intentions perfectly clear:

Robin, as far as I'm concerned (from what I see) you have conducted yourself in an exemplary manner. I meant no slight to you or Semper. Much of what I wrote was written generically.

I had some issues when you first appeared with your new persona (that I discussed with you about powerful to overthrow the powerful... he who fight against the powerful in turn becomes powerful), but all in all I think you are a class guy. I don't deal with ingames issues and can't comment on that. I speak from my experience on the forum. I am sure I outlined that in my pm that you posted (if not in those words).

Gotta say Robin you have gained alot more respect from me in what you have said.

As for you Spacey how dare you question how WE (generic term) use our time with the internet. All the stuff you said saying hey look at HOW SMART I AM I HAVE NO TIME FOR U DUMMIES that do not understand whats going on with the respect group. That was uncalled for. Your smart big deal . Doesn't make you any more of a person as me or anyone else on these forums.

Im out

Killtacular, I don't remember ever questioning how you or anyone else spends your/their time on the internet, nor that I am anymore of a person than anyone else.

I've had enough of people bringing the Respect Group into things that they have nothing to do with. Enough is enough, and I wrote my post to express that. I am quite tired of people bring the respect group into something that they have nothing to do with, members used as example of the decline of the forum, etc. There are no mod colours in my name, and so that burden will not hold forth my tongue, when so many find it so easy to release theirs.

The Respect Group will be scapegoats no further.

This is the only time that I've talked about what I do now. I am a private person, and don't discuss certain things (except if I am asked I'm pm, or under special circumstances).

I think you missed the point to the majority of what I wrote, and the synopsis of me saying that I am smart and others are dumb is also unfounded. I never said anything like that.

I highlighted the paragraphs with my main general points (in red) surrounding the issue Robin brought forward. For those that missed it... here it is again:

Do I have any regrets?
Not really. I tried to find out as much as I possible could, but me not being a mod during that time greatly limited the information I had infront of me and what I could know. The basis of my decision was founded on hearing what I could, recommendations/advice, and weighing the possible outcomes. I am confident that I could not have done anymore to make a better choice.

You don't like the group? You don't understand the issues? Go and look for old threads and read them. Don't waste my time having me explain things that were covered 200 times already.

I could have been clearer on that Killtacular (what my main points were). The academic part boils down to not wasting time and actually looking for information on it before another person say 'Respect Group this', 'Respect Group that', as something I addressed in a highlighted paragraph.

I apologize for the misconception for coming across like that ( 'i am smarter than...'), and if I made anyone feel less of a person. It was not, nor is ever my intention.

[Legendary Apophis]

you said vendetta's arent allowed. or is this like the case in the simpsons? where its no homERS and you are allowed 1 vendetta?

lol @ homers thing it was pretty funny...
Anyway you have your own section here, apparently, so even if you weren't allowed on his forum you still have a dedicated section here!!

Raistlin I believe this is what the respect group is for..or at least by extension what it was intended to be.

nothing ever happened from the respect group, other then ppl being mad over the color.

lmao yes

[Bad Wolf]

I love the way its ment to stop problems on the forums, but Tokra posts a personal stab at me instead of 'working' out the problems.

I said that to Tokra because at the time he was banned from the forums, and SHOULDNT have been on there, simple as. I was doing my job, and I was doing it to the best of my ablilty.

If you get rid of Tokra 100% then you will have alot less problems on all servers and forums.

Any forum that says

" Moderator: Tokra "

I dont want to be apart of.

BW.....Ever the Sly Fox