How to solve the issues of mod and community??

[repli**cator]

well does everyone just plain out dislike the fact some ingame player has "power" on the forum?
there's always questionable things i agree.. but then taking these things ingame on forum instead of on a personal level is just to make yourself feel better with the "support" you get form everyone here...kinda strange one needs that for arguing a valid question/criticism about a mod. there's even threads made for it, you have pm and all... but it's still not good?
sure we have the right to question our moderators but not in a way shown here...this is more like bashing in my eyes

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well does everyone just plain out dislike the fact some ingame player has "power" on the forum?
there's always questionable things i agree.. but then taking these things ingame on forum instead of on a personal level is just to make yourself feel better with the "support" you get form everyone here...kinda strange one needs that for arguing a valid question/criticism about a mod. there's even threads made for it, you have pm and all... but it's still not good?
sure we have the right to question our moderators but not in a way shown here...this is more like bashing in my eyes

the mod in question was most certainly affecting ingame issues but locking a thread about ingame issues actully several

all about a war

now iv heard time and time again if you dont read the forum then its your fault you get massed for hitting someone in a war

then this mod says you guys cant have a war thread

do you see what im getting at?

edit: which means all the random people not involved in the war wont have any vultures to mass and thats because theres nowhere for that person to find out unless they ask specifically privately

it would mean the people dropping out of the war only the alliances involved would know no one else would

and more importantly it would mean no one can brag to the community

now does that seem fair? is that the right thing to do?

is that guaranteeing the fun as auriel put it?

[Ero`Sore]

Wow too much to read.. all i'll say is that things will change soon..

[Wolf359]

Okay, let's all take a time out for a second.

As I see it, squishie locked the thread in question because there was a lot of crap in it and to continually keep modding it was a waste of time. However, he didn't out and out say 'you can't have a war thread' - at least I haven't seen anything like that - and he seemingly opened a new thread to allow the 'discussion' to continue. It also seems, for whatever reason, that this second thread was subsequently locked.

It appears that some time along the way, squishie was massed for locking the original thread and it seems that a lot of people, including the odd mod, is not happy about this.

Now, if the above is not entirely correct, I don't really care. Do I think squishie should have been massed because of a modding decision? Hell no! But then again, there are a lot of people who get massed for less of a reason than that, or even no reason whatsoever.

A lot of people, including some mods, have missed a lot of the main points that have been thrown around in here - the biggest one being that what you say in the forum CAN and WILL affect what happens to you in-game - and although perhaps it shouldn't happen, it WILL also happen to mods if they make bad decisions or decisions that some people will not like. Like it or not, some people are incapable of separating a mods modding from the rest of his/her forum banter.

It shouldn't be that way, but it is, and as much as some people may cry foul or say that what happens in the forum should be kept out of in-game, and although I agree (except where obvious role-playing is taking place), it cannot be made a rule - and even if it could, it cannot be enforced.

Personally, I think it's a sad day if a mod is getting massed in-game for doing his/her job (whether a mistake has been made or not) - and I would hope that the majority of the community has the good sense and grace to discuss the issues with the mod before resorting to such non-related action.

Additionally - isn't the fact that this happened simply go to prove further that it is far too easy to mass these days?

[Nimras]

Well i made this topic not because of what let to his massing but on the fact the massing happen because HE DID A JOB he was modding by the book 8 people asked for it to be locked and a clean made he did so.

Thats not wrong and fair. Then he get massed instead of people talking to him.

I just want to know what there can be done in this forum to increase the Mods and community communication so this wont happen again because we do our job as stated earlier what happens if i insult a player and i get massed hey its fair but if someone threathen me or try to make me look past them because i know if i do not i will get massed is wrong.

Some players here tries to mass us and scare us in hope of making us look past them or thats how it feel when i read how people thinks its fair to mass us for our job.

Then we will fear for our job and dont mod them well i wont I would mod even l loose my account in the attempt to do the right thing on this moding buisness.

I hoped everyone would talk about it and what we could do to solved this issue with everyone so we dont get this far anymore i want your help to stop massing a mod for his job because in the end mods might forget to stay alone and not be bias in fear.

[ThunderCat]

Well i made this topic not because of what let to his massing but on the fact the massing happen because HE DID A JOB he was modding by the book 8 people asked for it to be locked and a clean made he did so.

Thats not wrong and fair. Then he get massed instead of people talking to him.

I just want to know what there can be done in this forum to increase the Mods and community communication so this wont happen again because we do our job as stated earlier what happens if i insult a player and i get massed hey its fair but if someone threathen me or try to make me look past them because i know if i do not i will get massed is wrong.

Some players here tries to mass us and scare us in hope of making us look past them or thats how it feel when i read how people thinks its fair to mass us for our job.

Then we will fear for our job and dont mod them well i wont I would mod even l loose my account in the attempt to do the right thing on this moding buisness.

I hoped everyone would talk about it and what we could do to solved this issue with everyone so we dont get this far anymore i want your help to stop massing a mod for his job because in the end mods might forget to stay alone and not be bias in fear.

First, it's what the majority of the players involved want not what 8 people want.

Second, if we can't mass you for doing your job it causes you to have no accountability on the forum, which means that you can do whatever you want and you won't face any repercussions from the community. There are only 2 ways to cause the mods to face repercussions for actions on the forum.

1) Mass them.

2) Leave the forum.

Well we've got a war going on and we don't want to leave the forum, so Squishy got massed. We have few other options. We can't complain to forum effectively, since you have your own mod sections where you can post whatever you want and we cannot respond. We want an obudsman but you mods all seem to be complaining about having one, or at least certain people are in this topic. So now that we have found a way to make you accountable for your actions you are hitting back by telling us how sad it is that we are making you face the consequences for your poor decisions. Lastly, if you are an authority figure you must realize that you are going to be a target for anyone who doesn't agree with your decisions, even if the community agrees with your decisions. It's the only way that they can strike back since they obviously can't ban you .

[Dagr]

Well if everyone has a problem with the mods why not give everyone mod status? I mean it is the forum of the people, let the people run it.

[ThunderCat]

Well if everyone has a problem with the mods why not give everyone mod status? I mean it is the forum of the people, let the people run it.

[Nimras]

First, it's what the majority of the players involved want not what 8 people want.

Second, if we can't mass you for doing your job it causes you to have no accountability on the forum, which means that you can do whatever you want and you won't face any repercussions from the community. There are only 2 ways to cause the mods to face repercussions for actions on the forum.

1) Mass them.

2) Leave the forum.

Well we've got a war going on and we don't want to leave the forum, so Squishy got massed. We have few other options. We can't complain to forum effectively, since you have your own mod sections where you can post whatever you want and we cannot respond. We want an obudsman but you mods all seem to be complaining about having one, or at least certain people are in this topic. So now that we have found a way to make you accountable for your actions you are hitting back by telling us how sad it is that we are making you face the consequences for your poor decisions. Lastly, if you are an authority figure you must realize that you are going to be a target for anyone who doesn't agree with your decisions, even if the community agrees with your decisions. It's the only way that they can strike back since they obviously can't ban you .

Lol no but by massing us you actually open up a door for mods who work for the people and misuse their powers for the people they fear the most wouldmass them for their action.

You guys has so many option to work with before even considoring a mass if you have problems with a mod use thoese instead come on. Massing a mod because he does his work and thinking that knowing you can mass him would make him less bias your wrong. It dont help it makes it worse.

What would help was instead of all this we mods and you people as a community startet to work together for a solution instead of bashing out ingame via masses because you dont get your will or anything like that.

[Castiel]

There is a way to solve this , get people who dont play the game but have perhaps played it to be mods , or people who dont care about they're account and wont whine if they are massed for something they do on the forum.

Squishie always seemed like a good guy on irc and thats why i am against his massing.

Oh and nimras your idea to have it so mods cant be attacked ingame was pathatic if you cant take a massing for your actions right or wrong , depends on the person views you are just a statbuilding n00b, sorry for the harsh words but its the truth.

You guys are not police , you guys volenteered to do this job. You knew of the risk, you knew the problems some people of the community had against the mods. But you still signed up.

[Mystake]

So, How to get on with it?

Je Ne Regrette Rien

Translation?

No, I regret Nothing.

Thats as far as I read before I replied, btw. So i might edit this to actually reply to others, BUT

Being French, and french as a 1st language you've broken my heart buckypoo.

Je ne regrette rien translates to I do not regret a thing. That would be the most acurate translation in the way the phrase is used, you can argue its I regret nothing too, but overall that is the most accurate translation.

its not, "No, I regret nothing", because u are missing the "non" in french.

[killtacular]

are we down this road again?

[hidden]

Okay, let's all take a time out for a second.

As I see it, squishie locked the thread in question because there was a lot of crap in it and to continually keep modding it was a waste of time. However, he didn't out and out say 'you can't have a war thread' - at least I haven't seen anything like that - and he seemingly opened a new thread to allow the 'discussion' to continue. It also seems, for whatever reason, that this second thread was subsequently locked.

It appears that some time along the way, squishie was massed for locking the original thread and it seems that a lot of people, including the odd mod, is not happy about this.

Now, if the above is not entirely correct, I don't really care. Do I think squishie should have been massed because of a modding decision? Hell no! But then again, there are a lot of people who get massed for less of a reason than that, or even no reason whatsoever.

A lot of people, including some mods, have missed a lot of the main points that have been thrown around in here - the biggest one being that what you say in the forum CAN and WILL affect what happens to you in-game - and although perhaps it shouldn't happen, it WILL also happen to mods if they make bad decisions or decisions that some people will not like. Like it or not, some people are incapable of separating a mods modding from the rest of his/her forum banter.

It shouldn't be that way, but it is, and as much as some people may cry foul or say that what happens in the forum should be kept out of in-game, and although I agree (except where obvious role-playing is taking place), it cannot be made a rule - and even if it could, it cannot be enforced.

Personally, I think it's a sad day if a mod is getting massed in-game for doing his/her job (whether a mistake has been made or not) - and I would hope that the majority of the community has the good sense and grace to discuss the issues with the mod before resorting to such non-related action.

Additionally - isn't the fact that this happened simply go to prove further that it is far too easy to mass these days?

he locked not only that thread but the vulture thread and the drop out thread

and then the infamous if you keep this up you wont be allowed to have a war thread

now thats suicide any way you slice it

8 people out of 450 hmm thats a good reason to lock 3 threads huh

and anyone could see that the first reaction would be a massing and do you know why?

because of the parties involved because their first reaction is mass

now locking the threads is a bad idea because of how big they are and important

you first reaction should have been to fix it and that means asking specific people to stop

you play with fire and your sure to get burned and then turned to ash and then fed to pigeons

[Nimras]

There is a way to solve this , get people who dont play the game but have perhaps played it to be mods , or people who dont care about they're account and wont whine if they are massed for something they do on the forum.

Squishie always seemed like a good guy on irc and thats why i am against his massing.

Oh and nimras your idea to have it so mods cant be attacked ingame was pathatic if you cant take a massing for your actions right or wrong , depends on the person views you are just a statbuilding n00b, sorry for the harsh words but its the truth.

You guys are not police , you guys volenteered to do this job. You knew of the risk, you knew the problems some people of the community had against the mods. But you still signed up.

Hehe i never said we couldnt be attacked ingame. I said that if we where attacked ingame because of doing out job that i would hope admin would make it harder for the agressor because i dont c why anyone has to move out ingame because they can over what we do as a mod. Your right problem is community even complaine because if we arent ingame you cant mass us then many in the community start to whine over esactly that they cant mass us if we do what we should do and they dont agrea because they dont wanna go via the prober channels.

No if i would fear for my account i wouldnt be here I just think this is far out even before i became a mod i never massed a mod who i thought did anything stupid even when i could because i still think what he does as a mod is a job right or wrong shouldnt go out ingame on him, i took the prober channels but thats me.

We are all difference but i still wished that people instead would actually work with us instead of what you do now against us saying massing is good, because in the end mods either wont be ingame and i dont c thats as good or they will be bias with the massers just to stay clear and power abuse will start. Well i hope not but thats what i fear and want to stop before it happens.

Btw it was just and idea that with if a mod is attacked for a job done not because it is a war or insult done as a player hehe it would be harder nothing more.

[Zeratul]

hmm... how is it that the same 10 or so people, seem to be at the core of the complaints, every time a mod is bashed? and that same group, is the one that seems to cry that the majority of the forum is against the decision... perhaps you should ask around in every section how many think what about this issue...

you people should know that the right procedure when having a problem with a mod/mod decision, is to PM either that mod, another mod in that section, a global mod, or an admin...

most, if not all mods, are able to listen to reason... therefore, if you feel a decision was wrong, feel free to ask it to be altered... it might just work... massing on the other hand, is quite likely to cause a person to become even more locked in his/her opinion...

if you have any questions or such about what was written in this post, feel free to PM us... as long as we have any sort of answer, we will reply...