How to solve the issues of mod and community??

[repli**cator]

exactly, i just dont see why massing a moderator will influence his judgement in your favor...
PM is more like to bring results

[Dralan]

Hmm.. beeing away from the forum for a few days and look what pops up.

Nimras: I am your loyal officer as always but your ideas in this thread is wrong on several levels. There should always be accountabliliy when people do not do a good job. Locking an ACTIVE war thread involving several hundred players rather than modding it is wrong no matter how much work it is modding it. You accepted the job of beeing a mod and with that comes the responsibility of doing the job correctly and not locking things because the work load gets too big or because one or two players want it locked. If someone breaks the rules in a post warn them and do your job, but closing down a thread like that is simply wrong on so many levels.

I find myself agreeing with geisha on this. however unusual that might be.

[hidden]

exactly, i just dont see why massing a moderator will influence his judgement in your favor...
PM is more like to bring results

it makes you feel better

[Mystake]

exactly, i just dont see why massing a moderator will influence his judgement in your favor...
PM is more like to bring results

it makes you feel better

[Wolf359]

There is a way to solve this , get people who dont play the game but have perhaps played it to be mods , or people who dont care about they're account and wont whine if they are massed for something they do on the forum.

As I said previously, I quit playing the game back in December 06, but was still an Admin on the forums. However, by April 07 a small number of people (mods and members) didn't like the fact that I was modding at all. This led to me being reduced to a mod overnight, with further calls of me being removed as a mod altogether.

So, if we were to go down this route again, the same thing would happen.

The funny thing is, there were never any problems like this during the first 6 months to a year of the game - and the reason for that was because the game was harder back then. Certain game changes bred faster growth, this in turn bred an arrogance (particularly in the forum) that had never been there before - and this has ultimately led to the situation of a mod being massed for doing a mod's job (and also for people getting massed in-game for little or no reason - i.e. it's too damn easy these days!).

Whether that mod was right or wrong doesn't matter - there were other, easier things that could have been done to put this right, but that wasn't to be, becasue of what the game, and the players/forum users have become.

[Lore]

There is a way to solve this , get people who dont play the game but have perhaps played it to be mods , or people who dont care about they're account and wont whine if they are massed for something they do on the forum.

As I said previously, I quit playing the game back in December 06, but was still an Admin on the forums. However, by April 07 a small number of people (mods and members) didn't like the fact that I was modding at all. This led to me being reduced to a mod overnight, with further calls of me being removed as a mod altogether.

So, if we were to go down this route again, the same thing would happen.

The funny thing is, there were never any problems like this during the first 6 months to a year of the game - and the reason for that was because the game was harder back then. Certain game changes bred faster growth, this in turn bred an arrogance (particularly in the forum) that had never been there before - and this has ultimately led to the situation of a mod being massed for doing a mod's job (and also for people getting massed in-game for little or no reason - i.e. it's too damn easy these days!).

Whether that mod was right or wrong doesn't matter - there were other, easier things that could have been done to put this right, but that wasn't to be, becasue of what the game, and the players/forum users have become.

Well said mate, well said.

[*zesh*]

fahqkd always make me laugh

squishie you where/still are a n00b_hunter and we massed over nothing regularly

you got massed, it sucks, get over it

and tbh i remember various mod episodes over complaining about mods and it got them abosultely nowhere.

fact is, untill the rules are actually used for everyone (i mean for omega dde alpha tle and the people your backing in a war etc ie. everyone) the forum will always be bad. the rules vary according to your size already, so claiming i didnt know is rubbish, you do, or certain posts would have been censored etc. (and if you claim this is untrue, you know as well as i your lying)

the forums need a good admin, and anonymous moderating. and then a decent response team when people moderate badly, rather then saying i had a breakdown pls forgive me etc.

on another note if people mod badly what is an alternate punishment other then massing?

[Zeratul]

anonymous mod team doesnt work...

[Wolf359]

anonymous mod team doesnt work...

Exactly!

Read what I posted in my last post - Also, remember what happened when the mods WERE anonymous, only a short time ago - EVERYONE COMPLAINED!

[Nimras]

And may i just point out ONCE again this thread was not made because what made people mass squishy but because when it happen thought i would try to address this issue to solve it and get the trust back in here nothing more. So plz forget the incident with squishy and lets hold to what i hope we could accomplished and that is to get the trust back and some team work between mods and community.

Hmm.. beeing away from the forum for a few days and look what pops up.

Nimras: I am your loyal officer as always but your ideas in this thread is wrong on several levels. There should always be accountabliliy when people do not do a good job. Locking an ACTIVE war thread involving several hundred players rather than modding it is wrong no matter how much work it is modding it. You accepted the job of beeing a mod and with that comes the responsibility of doing the job correctly and not locking things because the work load gets too big or because one or two players want it locked. If someone breaks the rules in a post warn them and do your job, but closing down a thread like that is simply wrong on so many levels.

I find myself agreeing with geisha on this. however unusual that might be.

M8 hehe my idea was and always will be and idea. But on a side note this wasnt about what lead to his massing and why he was massed but the fact that instead of talking to him or me they went that far. When someone actually talked to squishy even tho he was massed nicely i can link to the thread AGAIN he unlocked it after talking to thoese members.

And yes your right if we do something bad but it arent bad until we reach a point where i as a mod or my fellow mod team wont acknowledge what we did was wrong and wont change. Until then always remember "Erara Humanum Est = Its Human to fail" and it is we all make mistakes even I but getting massed for making a mistake as a mod when people could have told me instead i find wrong because it is a big job.

fahqkd always make me laugh

squishie you where/still are a n00b_hunter and we massed over nothing regularly

you got massed, it sucks, get over it

and tbh i remember various mod episodes over complaining about mods and it got them abosultely nowhere.

fact is, untill the rules are actually used for everyone (i mean for omega dde alpha tle and the people your backing in a war etc ie. everyone) the forum will always be bad. the rules vary according to your size already, so claiming i didnt know is rubbish, you do, or certain posts would have been censored etc. (and if you claim this is untrue, you know as well as i your lying)

the forums need a good admin, and anonymous moderating. and then a decent response team when people moderate badly, rather then saying i had a breakdown pls forgive me etc.

on another note if people mod badly what is an alternate punishment other then massing?

As i stated preavisoul that i know this and thats why people take massing straight away.

I made this thread to try to get the trust back for us mods and for you community because i still think the road we are going now could just get worse and worse if its continue and it shouldnt.

[semper]

order. The community needs to learn that the mods do a job, a job that they do as they think they should. They DONT need to explain themselves, they DONT and certainly should never need to answer to the community for their actions. If the community has a problem, the mods have a boss, a boss that GAVE THEM the job, a boss that basically gave them the trust, the community has, 9/10 times, an Ombudsman, they are the people you should take it up with. Assaulting a mod directly in-game, or publically on the forum is a poor show. You wouldnt attack Police and expect to get away with it, even if you thought it was wrong, you would go to the chief of police, supervisor, or a lawyer or something. Not quite the same situation..but certainly the same prospective idea.

The only way to solve the problem Nimras is to well...punish people for assaulting mods like that and not going about it the proper way. Personally If I was a mod and someone massed me for doing what I thought was right, id ride them round the forum like a dog in heat, no matter what they did. Cos I suppose if its ok for them to be childish with their powers, why cant I be like that with mine? They obviously think its ok.

You should let me ad em for a while.

[*zesh*]

and why didnt anonymous modding work

cos the mods where crap

freespirit was detected within 20 seconds of it being released for his unbelievably bad modding, and when people complained nothing happened.

Then slowly the mods where discovered so people where found anyway.

you cant do a half assed try on something and then go oh look it dont work

im sure if there was a proper complaints procedure which was used it might work

[hidden]

order. The community needs to learn that the mods do a job, a job that they do as they think they should. They DONT need to explain themselves, they DONT and certainly should never need to answer to the community for their actions. If the community has a problem, the mods have a boss, a boss that GAVE THEM the job, a boss that basically gave them the trust, the community has, 9/10 times, an Ombudsman, they are the people you should take it up with. Assaulting a mod directly in-game, or publically on the forum is a poor show. You wouldnt attack Police and expect to get away with it, even if you thought it was wrong, you would go to the chief of police, supervisor, or a lawyer or something. Not quite the same situation..but certainly the same prospective idea.

The only way to solve the problem Nimras is to well...punish people for assaulting mods like that and not going about it the proper way. Personally If I was a mod and someone massed me for doing what I thought was right, id ride them round the forum like a dog in heat, no matter what they did. Cos I suppose if its ok for them to be childish with their powers, why cant I be like that with mine? They obviously think its ok.

You should let me ad em for a while.

the mods DO need to explain themselves

every decision they make they need to have a reason a good reason and they need to tell everyone

it doesn't work when the mods are given the powers of gods and everyone else just has to sit there it only leads to abuse of power

and the reason the anonymous thing didn't work out is because none of them even tried to stay anonymous

you come in you delete a post or lock a thread or something and give a quick reason then hop back onto your other account

[Wolf359]

and why didnt anonymous modding work

cos the mods where crap

freespirit was detected within 20 seconds of it being released for his unbelievably bad modding, and when people complained nothing happened.

Then slowly the mods where discovered so people where found anyway.

you cant do a half assed try on something and then go oh look it dont work

im sure if there was a proper complaints procedure which was used it might work

take a second to read what I posted - I didn't say 'it didn't work' - I said 'EVERYONE COMPLAINED!' They complained that the mods shouldn't have anonymity because it would be unfair, it would be biased, and it would lead to greater mod corruption.

And there is a proper complaints procedure - a really simple one, but people simply don't use it.

It's located here: viewtopic.php?f=71&t=98591

Basically it says, pm the mod in question, or another mod.

Funny thing is, that's always been the policy, since right back when I first became a mod.

[Castiel]

Semper , so your saying we should be punished for attacking mods , I.E more of our troops should die ? it should cost us more AT's ?

Its a war game everyone can be massed for what ever reason take what "The Devils Empire" is doing to "Hungary Academy" they are at war with them because they simply dont like hungary. I feel its wrong what they did to squishe.