How to solve the issues of mod and community??

[semper]

order. The community needs to learn that the mods do a job, a job that they do as they think they should. They DONT need to explain themselves, they DONT and certainly should never need to answer to the community for their actions. If the community has a problem, the mods have a boss, a boss that GAVE THEM the job, a boss that basically gave them the trust, the community has, 9/10 times, an Ombudsman, they are the people you should take it up with. Assaulting a mod directly in-game, or publically on the forum is a poor show. You wouldnt attack Police and expect to get away with it, even if you thought it was wrong, you would go to the chief of police, supervisor, or a lawyer or something. Not quite the same situation..but certainly the same prospective idea.

The only way to solve the problem Nimras is to well...punish people for assaulting mods like that and not going about it the proper way. Personally If I was a mod and someone massed me for doing what I thought was right, id ride them round the forum like a dog in heat, no matter what they did. Cos I suppose if its ok for them to be childish with their powers, why cant I be like that with mine? They obviously think its ok.

You should let me ad em for a while.

the mods DO need to explain themselves

every decision they make they need to have a reason a good reason and they need to tell everyone

it doesn't work when the mods are given the powers of gods and everyone else just has to sit there it only leads to abuse of power

and the reason the anonymous thing didn't work out is because none of them even tried to stay anonymous

you come in you delete a post or lock a thread or something and give a quick reason then hop back onto your other account

No they shouldnt have to explain themselves. That just demeans the position. Obviously they should have to say Locked due to spam, or warned due to being an idiot. But I mean They shouldnt have to explain further then that. They dont have the power of gods. If people dont act like idiots they dont have to use their powers, unfortunately there are to many morons who constantly break the rules, post spam in the wrong space, and argue with people who have been given a job to do. It does work, it worked for me on a different games forums. People had problems with me, I told them to shove it and go see my boss, cos I was doin the job I wanted to do to the best of my ability, and that forum was a dam good one whilst I had the reigns. Thats the way it should be with mods. You can ask them what the problem is, there is that magic pm button.

And Meth, I mean that if someone blatently goes out of their way to attack a mod FOR DOING THEIR MODDING JOB then they should be punished. I didnt say HOW I just said that they should be.

[hidden]

order. The community needs to learn that the mods do a job, a job that they do as they think they should. They DONT need to explain themselves, they DONT and certainly should never need to answer to the community for their actions. If the community has a problem, the mods have a boss, a boss that GAVE THEM the job, a boss that basically gave them the trust, the community has, 9/10 times, an Ombudsman, they are the people you should take it up with. Assaulting a mod directly in-game, or publically on the forum is a poor show. You wouldnt attack Police and expect to get away with it, even if you thought it was wrong, you would go to the chief of police, supervisor, or a lawyer or something. Not quite the same situation..but certainly the same prospective idea.

The only way to solve the problem Nimras is to well...punish people for assaulting mods like that and not going about it the proper way. Personally If I was a mod and someone massed me for doing what I thought was right, id ride them round the forum like a dog in heat, no matter what they did. Cos I suppose if its ok for them to be childish with their powers, why cant I be like that with mine? They obviously think its ok.

You should let me ad em for a while.

the mods DO need to explain themselves

every decision they make they need to have a reason a good reason and they need to tell everyone

it doesn't work when the mods are given the powers of gods and everyone else just has to sit there it only leads to abuse of power

and the reason the anonymous thing didn't work out is because none of them even tried to stay anonymous

you come in you delete a post or lock a thread or something and give a quick reason then hop back onto your other account

No they shouldnt have to explain themselves. That just demeans the position. Obviously they should have to say Locked due to spam, or warned due to being an idiot. But I mean They shouldnt have to explain further then that. They dont have the power of gods. If people dont act like idiots they dont have to use their powers, unfortunately there are to many morons who constantly break the rules, post spam in the wrong space, and argue with people who have been given a job to do. It does work, it worked for me on a different games forums. People had problems with me, I told them to shove it and go see my boss, cos I was doin the job I wanted to do to the best of my ability, and that forum was a dam good one whilst I had the reigns. Thats the way it should be with mods. You can ask them what the problem is, there is that magic pm button.

And Meth, I mean that if someone blatently goes out of their way to attack a mod FOR DOING THEIR MODDING JOB then they should be punished. I didnt say HOW I just said that they should be.

sorry semper as usual wofl is right

people can and will be massed for any reason(if a reason at all)mods should get NO exception because they are just normal ingame players

warned due to been an idiot i hope that was just an example because if thats the way this other forum your talking about is run then im not sure i wanna know

they would have to give a real reason that is breaking a rule

but they still need to use common sense that they are going to get massed when they do something stupid

[Nimras]

order. The community needs to learn that the mods do a job, a job that they do as they think they should. They DONT need to explain themselves, they DONT and certainly should never need to answer to the community for their actions. If the community has a problem, the mods have a boss, a boss that GAVE THEM the job, a boss that basically gave them the trust, the community has, 9/10 times, an Ombudsman, they are the people you should take it up with. Assaulting a mod directly in-game, or publically on the forum is a poor show. You wouldnt attack Police and expect to get away with it, even if you thought it was wrong, you would go to the chief of police, supervisor, or a lawyer or something. Not quite the same situation..but certainly the same prospective idea.

The only way to solve the problem Nimras is to well...punish people for assaulting mods like that and not going about it the proper way. Personally If I was a mod and someone massed me for doing what I thought was right, id ride them round the forum like a dog in heat, no matter what they did. Cos I suppose if its ok for them to be childish with their powers, why cant I be like that with mine? They obviously think its ok.

You should let me ad em for a while.

the mods DO need to explain themselves

every decision they make they need to have a reason a good reason and they need to tell everyone

it doesn't work when the mods are given the powers of gods and everyone else just has to sit there it only leads to abuse of power

and the reason the anonymous thing didn't work out is because none of them even tried to stay anonymous

you come in you delete a post or lock a thread or something and give a quick reason then hop back onto your other account

No they shouldnt have to explain themselves. That just demeans the position. Obviously they should have to say Locked due to spam, or warned due to being an idiot. But I mean They shouldnt have to explain further then that. They dont have the power of gods. If people dont act like idiots they dont have to use their powers, unfortunately there are to many morons who constantly break the rules, post spam in the wrong space, and argue with people who have been given a job to do. It does work, it worked for me on a different games forums. People had problems with me, I told them to shove it and go see my boss, cos I was doin the job I wanted to do to the best of my ability, and that forum was a dam good one whilst I had the reigns. Thats the way it should be with mods. You can ask them what the problem is, there is that magic pm button.

And Meth, I mean that if someone blatently goes out of their way to attack a mod FOR DOING THEIR MODDING JOB then they should be punished. I didnt say HOW I just said that they should be.

sorry semper as usual wofl is right

people can and will be massed for any reason(if a reason at all)mods should get NO exception because they are just normal ingame players

warned due to been an idiot i hope that was just an example because if thats the way this other forum your talking about is run then im not sure i wanna know

they would have to give a real reason that is breaking a rule

but they still need to use common sense that they are going to get massed when they do something stupid

I still disagrea that we should because that means we can get mass for even modding someone clearly breaking the rules which we will and thats not even in spirit of this forum what so ever.

[hidden]

order. The community needs to learn that the mods do a job, a job that they do as they think they should. They DONT need to explain themselves, they DONT and certainly should never need to answer to the community for their actions. If the community has a problem, the mods have a boss, a boss that GAVE THEM the job, a boss that basically gave them the trust, the community has, 9/10 times, an Ombudsman, they are the people you should take it up with. Assaulting a mod directly in-game, or publically on the forum is a poor show. You wouldnt attack Police and expect to get away with it, even if you thought it was wrong, you would go to the chief of police, supervisor, or a lawyer or something. Not quite the same situation..but certainly the same prospective idea.

The only way to solve the problem Nimras is to well...punish people for assaulting mods like that and not going about it the proper way. Personally If I was a mod and someone massed me for doing what I thought was right, id ride them round the forum like a dog in heat, no matter what they did. Cos I suppose if its ok for them to be childish with their powers, why cant I be like that with mine? They obviously think its ok.

You should let me ad em for a while.

the mods DO need to explain themselves

every decision they make they need to have a reason a good reason and they need to tell everyone

it doesn't work when the mods are given the powers of gods and everyone else just has to sit there it only leads to abuse of power

and the reason the anonymous thing didn't work out is because none of them even tried to stay anonymous

you come in you delete a post or lock a thread or something and give a quick reason then hop back onto your other account

No they shouldnt have to explain themselves. That just demeans the position. Obviously they should have to say Locked due to spam, or warned due to being an idiot. But I mean They shouldnt have to explain further then that. They dont have the power of gods. If people dont act like idiots they dont have to use their powers, unfortunately there are to many morons who constantly break the rules, post spam in the wrong space, and argue with people who have been given a job to do. It does work, it worked for me on a different games forums. People had problems with me, I told them to shove it and go see my boss, cos I was doin the job I wanted to do to the best of my ability, and that forum was a dam good one whilst I had the reigns. Thats the way it should be with mods. You can ask them what the problem is, there is that magic pm button.

And Meth, I mean that if someone blatently goes out of their way to attack a mod FOR DOING THEIR MODDING JOB then they should be punished. I didnt say HOW I just said that they should be.

sorry semper as usual wofl is right

people can and will be massed for any reason(if a reason at all)mods should get NO exception because they are just normal ingame players

warned due to been an idiot i hope that was just an example because if thats the way this other forum your talking about is run then im not sure i wanna know

they would have to give a real reason that is breaking a rule

but they still need to use common sense that they are going to get massed when they do something stupid

I still disagrea that we should because that means we can get mass for even modding someone clearly breaking the rules which we will and thats not even in spirit of this forum what so ever.

the forum and the game are separate

you have power here but not there

people with power there are going to use it or do you expect them to lie down? while a mod uses their power here?

hell if you want make it so you can put a reason in the last post of the thread(or something like that)and have it in a special box called a mod edit or something(anonymous of course)and have it so the reason is just the number of the rule broken

then if someone disagrees take it to a special section where they can ask the mods about the decision (any mod)

[Nimras]

order. The community needs to learn that the mods do a job, a job that they do as they think they should. They DONT need to explain themselves, they DONT and certainly should never need to answer to the community for their actions. If the community has a problem, the mods have a boss, a boss that GAVE THEM the job, a boss that basically gave them the trust, the community has, 9/10 times, an Ombudsman, they are the people you should take it up with. Assaulting a mod directly in-game, or publically on the forum is a poor show. You wouldnt attack Police and expect to get away with it, even if you thought it was wrong, you would go to the chief of police, supervisor, or a lawyer or something. Not quite the same situation..but certainly the same prospective idea.

The only way to solve the problem Nimras is to well...punish people for assaulting mods like that and not going about it the proper way. Personally If I was a mod and someone massed me for doing what I thought was right, id ride them round the forum like a dog in heat, no matter what they did. Cos I suppose if its ok for them to be childish with their powers, why cant I be like that with mine? They obviously think its ok.

You should let me ad em for a while.

the mods DO need to explain themselves

every decision they make they need to have a reason a good reason and they need to tell everyone

it doesn't work when the mods are given the powers of gods and everyone else just has to sit there it only leads to abuse of power

and the reason the anonymous thing didn't work out is because none of them even tried to stay anonymous

you come in you delete a post or lock a thread or something and give a quick reason then hop back onto your other account

No they shouldnt have to explain themselves. That just demeans the position. Obviously they should have to say Locked due to spam, or warned due to being an idiot. But I mean They shouldnt have to explain further then that. They dont have the power of gods. If people dont act like idiots they dont have to use their powers, unfortunately there are to many morons who constantly break the rules, post spam in the wrong space, and argue with people who have been given a job to do. It does work, it worked for me on a different games forums. People had problems with me, I told them to shove it and go see my boss, cos I was doin the job I wanted to do to the best of my ability, and that forum was a dam good one whilst I had the reigns. Thats the way it should be with mods. You can ask them what the problem is, there is that magic pm button.

And Meth, I mean that if someone blatently goes out of their way to attack a mod FOR DOING THEIR MODDING JOB then they should be punished. I didnt say HOW I just said that they should be.

sorry semper as usual wofl is right

people can and will be massed for any reason(if a reason at all)mods should get NO exception because they are just normal ingame players

warned due to been an idiot i hope that was just an example because if thats the way this other forum your talking about is run then im not sure i wanna know

they would have to give a real reason that is breaking a rule

but they still need to use common sense that they are going to get massed when they do something stupid

I still disagrea that we should because that means we can get mass for even modding someone clearly breaking the rules which we will and thats not even in spirit of this forum what so ever.

the forum and the game are separate

you have power here but not there

people with power there are going to use it or do you expect them to lie down? while a mod uses their power here?

hell if you want make it so you can put a reason in the last post of the thread(or something like that)and have it in a special box called a mod edit or something(anonymous of course)and have it so the reason is just the number of the rule broken

then if someone disagrees take it to a special section where they can ask the mods about the decision (any mod)

Hmm well still i have seen and heard of a mod getting massed for simply removing a bad word from a text which was a clealy breaking rule would that be ok??

[hidden]

order. The community needs to learn that the mods do a job, a job that they do as they think they should. They DONT need to explain themselves, they DONT and certainly should never need to answer to the community for their actions. If the community has a problem, the mods have a boss, a boss that GAVE THEM the job, a boss that basically gave them the trust, the community has, 9/10 times, an Ombudsman, they are the people you should take it up with. Assaulting a mod directly in-game, or publically on the forum is a poor show. You wouldnt attack Police and expect to get away with it, even if you thought it was wrong, you would go to the chief of police, supervisor, or a lawyer or something. Not quite the same situation..but certainly the same prospective idea.

The only way to solve the problem Nimras is to well...punish people for assaulting mods like that and not going about it the proper way. Personally If I was a mod and someone massed me for doing what I thought was right, id ride them round the forum like a dog in heat, no matter what they did. Cos I suppose if its ok for them to be childish with their powers, why cant I be like that with mine? They obviously think its ok.

You should let me ad em for a while.

the mods DO need to explain themselves

every decision they make they need to have a reason a good reason and they need to tell everyone

it doesn't work when the mods are given the powers of gods and everyone else just has to sit there it only leads to abuse of power

and the reason the anonymous thing didn't work out is because none of them even tried to stay anonymous

you come in you delete a post or lock a thread or something and give a quick reason then hop back onto your other account

No they shouldnt have to explain themselves. That just demeans the position. Obviously they should have to say Locked due to spam, or warned due to being an idiot. But I mean They shouldnt have to explain further then that. They dont have the power of gods. If people dont act like idiots they dont have to use their powers, unfortunately there are to many morons who constantly break the rules, post spam in the wrong space, and argue with people who have been given a job to do. It does work, it worked for me on a different games forums. People had problems with me, I told them to shove it and go see my boss, cos I was doin the job I wanted to do to the best of my ability, and that forum was a dam good one whilst I had the reigns. Thats the way it should be with mods. You can ask them what the problem is, there is that magic pm button.

And Meth, I mean that if someone blatently goes out of their way to attack a mod FOR DOING THEIR MODDING JOB then they should be punished. I didnt say HOW I just said that they should be.

sorry semper as usual wofl is right

people can and will be massed for any reason(if a reason at all)mods should get NO exception because they are just normal ingame players

warned due to been an idiot i hope that was just an example because if thats the way this other forum your talking about is run then im not sure i wanna know

they would have to give a real reason that is breaking a rule

but they still need to use common sense that they are going to get massed when they do something stupid

I still disagrea that we should because that means we can get mass for even modding someone clearly breaking the rules which we will and thats not even in spirit of this forum what so ever.

the forum and the game are separate

you have power here but not there

people with power there are going to use it or do you expect them to lie down? while a mod uses their power here?

hell if you want make it so you can put a reason in the last post of the thread(or something like that)and have it in a special box called a mod edit or something(anonymous of course)and have it so the reason is just the number of the rule broken

then if someone disagrees take it to a special section where they can ask the mods about the decision (any mod)

Hmm well still i have seen and heard of a mod getting massed for simply removing a bad word from a text which was a clealy breaking rule would that be ok??

of course not

but it happens and you should expect it to happen

thats what wolf said

[Nimras]

Hmm well still i have seen and heard of a mod getting massed for simply removing a bad word from a text which was a clealy breaking rule would that be ok??

of course not

but it happens and you should expect it to happen

thats what wolf said

Yes but thats what i want to fix because i still say what I do as a mod is a job layed out by this game admin which i have to abide wether you like it or not shouldnt be taken ingame. But i also think a mod abusing his power should be kicked.

And if people couldnt make it so what i do as a mod wouldnt affect ingame should make if they mass for what i did ingame would mean they looose not me would make me happy because i dont misuse my powers yes i can make mistakes but still. I do this to help kepping SGW community clean and sober for all ages and offcourse i can make mistakes but i rather saw people talked to me before complaining.

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Hmm well still i have seen and heard of a mod getting massed for simply removing a bad word from a text which was a clealy breaking rule would that be ok??

of course not

but it happens and you should expect it to happen

thats what wolf said

Yes but thats what i want to fix because i still say what I do as a mod is a job layed out by this game admin which i have to abide wether you like it or not shouldnt be taken ingame. But i also think a mod abusing his power should be kicked.

And if people couldnt make it so what i do as a mod wouldnt affect ingame should make if they mass for what i did ingame would mean they looose not me would make me happy because i dont misuse my powers yes i can make mistakes but still. I do this to help kepping SGW community clean and sober for all ages and offcourse i can make mistakes but i rather saw people talked to me before complaining.

this is why people want to be able to mass you

if you make a mistake

[Nimras]

Hmm well still i have seen and heard of a mod getting massed for simply removing a bad word from a text which was a clealy breaking rule would that be ok??

of course not

but it happens and you should expect it to happen

thats what wolf said

Yes but thats what i want to fix because i still say what I do as a mod is a job layed out by this game admin which i have to abide wether you like it or not shouldnt be taken ingame. But i also think a mod abusing his power should be kicked.

And if people couldnt make it so what i do as a mod wouldnt affect ingame should make if they mass for what i did ingame would mean they looose not me would make me happy because i dont misuse my powers yes i can make mistakes but still. I do this to help kepping SGW community clean and sober for all ages and offcourse i can make mistakes but i rather saw people talked to me before complaining.

this is why people want to be able to mass you

if you make a mistake

Hehe yes and they dont? No i make mistakes but like any other i am someone you can talk to about it. Come on if someone as a mod make a mistake IF it is a mistake then at least remember to talk to them the other way is showing that they dont think nor will think but just whine and take it ingame. Plus some stuff we as a mod do and get massed for is RULES set by the admin YET you mass us ingame for doing what the admin set of rules NOT US why is that fair??

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Hmm well still i have seen and heard of a mod getting massed for simply removing a bad word from a text which was a clealy breaking rule would that be ok??

of course not

but it happens and you should expect it to happen

thats what wolf said

Yes but thats what i want to fix because i still say what I do as a mod is a job layed out by this game admin which i have to abide wether you like it or not shouldnt be taken ingame. But i also think a mod abusing his power should be kicked.

And if people couldnt make it so what i do as a mod wouldnt affect ingame should make if they mass for what i did ingame would mean they looose not me would make me happy because i dont misuse my powers yes i can make mistakes but still. I do this to help kepping SGW community clean and sober for all ages and offcourse i can make mistakes but i rather saw people talked to me before complaining.

this is why people want to be able to mass you

if you make a mistake

Hehe yes and they dont? No i make mistakes but like any other i am someone you can talk to about it. Come on if someone as a mod make a mistake IF it is a mistake then at least remember to talk to them the other way is showing that they dont think nor will think but just whine and take it ingame. Plus some stuff we as a mod do and get massed for is RULES set by the admin YET you mass us ingame for doing what the admin set of rules NOT US why is that fair??

oh they will probably still talk to you

they just mass you as well

call it incentive to do a good job

[~Phoenix~]

I think.. anyone suspected of massing a mod over something done on the forum that involved them making a honest decision should be severely punished. Otherwise rules will never be enforced.


Everyone will complain no matter what it is, so its good to actually enforce the rules and dish out in-game punishment for forum abuse and braking of the rules.

[RepliJake]

shut up baby

[geisha]

bs, phoenix. You know where this will end. Every time a mod gets massed the masser will be punished regardless of the reason the mod was massed. Whether it was for modding or for an ingame action or just because someone doesn't like the mod. That would only be an open invite to more power abuse. If people with an ingame accounts wish to be mods they will have to live with the risk of getting massed just like everyone else.

[Wolf359]

I've got to agree. Nimras, I know you mean well and I agree with you that a mod shouldn't be massed for his/her forum modding - but has been said, some people will do it, just because they can - and because it can happen, then we should expect it to happen.

Besides, how do you enforce this? You can't build it into the game code because the game code will never be sophisticated enough to read all the forum posts and know who's modded what post on the forum.

On the other hand, even if the Game Admins agreed to administer some kind of punishment, how do you prove that you being massed was in response to a modding decision? What happens if you get massed for no reason at all? Where do the 'rules' begin to bend? Where are they blurred? Where will they be abused?

The only other thing you can do is to try and change people's mindsets, and although you may be able to do this for one or two people, trust me that to chnage it for the people who matter will be harder than writing the game code I mentioned earlier.

Geisha is partly correct when she says that it will lead to more power abuse. I say 'partly' because from what I've seen there is very little power abuse, and certainly nowhere near as much as there has been in the past. But, as I have said before, the mods don't have to be abusing their power for there a problem, it is the perception of power abuse that is the real crux of the matter, and if this 'idea' of yours was to come to fruition in any sort of way, then that perception would be, rightly or wrongly, intensified.

Honestly mate, you're flogging a dead horse.

[~Phoenix~]

Ok then dont try to enforce rules just dont enforce them..?

Seriously what is ever easy these days? Just because it may take a little time isnt a reason to not try it. Rules need to be enforced, people getting massed for enforcing those proper rules need to be punished, it should be easy enough to tell if somebody gets massed over a modding issue. If the said mod believes he/she has been massed over a modding issue, the said mod can then show where he/she modded things and what he/she thinks provoked the massing. As for who's judge well there are 2 game admins, that'll do.


I really havent seen much power abuse at all :s I see people abusing their in-game power to get away with things on the forum though, that has happened for a long time.