China vs the U.S.

[Fallout]

Europe, cause both country's would be destroyed

[MGZ]

Europe, cause both country's would be destroyed

that's not entirely unimpossible. knowing the huge population disadvantage we (the US) would probably resort to nuclear warfare to try and thin the communist horde. China would likely respond in kind, but with luck all they would accomplish would be to wipe out the draft dodgers and hippies.

if it ever came down to conventional warfare I think the US would be able to gain aerial dominance, and we'd probably do pretty well in tank-vs-tank warfare (win, but with huge losses (not necessesarily pyrrhic)). as far as infantry-vs-infantry goes I'd guess we could make some early gains, but once the large numbers of Chinese troops start coming into play (including many fresh conscripts) things would begin to drift towards stalemate. (assuming this is on Chinese soil. on US ground I would expect an unprecedent surge of patriotism to help push out the invaders.)

[Nigatsu_Aka]

Well, consider this: China has more cookers in the army than soldiers that any army in the world has.

China has the nuclear bomb too, and has some of the most new technologies in the army.

But no war will ever happen (not provoked by them anyway) cos they will starve. As soon as they will attack there will be an international economical blockade and they won`t have enough food to feed their massive population.

[Preliator]

Although the U.S is massively outnumbered, China would never accomplish an invasion os the US.
Simply for the fact that everyone in the US has a weapon and they will defend themselves if the army cant

But that said like Nigatsu said they wont ever have a war because it would destroy the world .

[LegendaryA]

Depends on who would strike first, how, and where (big city, desert...?).

[MGZ]

all excellent points. war between China and the US would most likely turn out like a war between US-USSR would have: Mutually Assured Destruction

[buck]

mreh, well, the war would not be a fight of man power, if it where china would win, Hands down, they could invade europe and the usa at the same time, and still have a few MILLION soliders left to defend the homeland.

But if such a war where to happen, it would be over in about 8 minutes, just like ingame nowadays, you cant win a war outright. USA probally has a few more nukes and better ones, but china would still crack a few off, most of both countries would be screwed up, only government and high ranking military knocking about, a few subs and air craft carriers, from then on its who can make the most of there resources, but many of the captains of the chinease ships who did not "agree" with the regime there would be able to mutiny, most navel crews are loyal to there captions rather than nations...

All in all i think china would end up split, and the USA wouldnt have much left on it, either way a truce would be called, and the rest would flee to central and coastal europe, where we would all live in peace and harmony until the nuclear fallout got to there (takeing about a week, week and half from the initial strike) to which everyones arms and legs would fall off, and those whom didnt, would either be wrapped in tin foil and baking like potatoes, or we would be growing extra arms and legs...And considering the rate of cancer went up in the UK from people born and young at the time of chinobal (and that was a tiny amount of nuclear fallout/leak that got to britain) rose by, i believe the figure was 200% odd, and the doses we are talking after a major war is Massive, assumeing we would survive the first few days in your basement, until you have 15 inches of lead surrounding your house, within a weeks youd be dead. if not, youd die within the year.

Either way the outcome pretty much means we all die eventually.

A nice thought, one to keep you sleeping safely at night...

[The Xeno]

A few possible scenarios not involving the use of nuclear weapons.

The United States tries to conquer China - we would lose. We simply cannot project enough power into such a huge area to accomplish any traditional 'victory'.

China tries to conquer the United States - again, it is an issue of power projection. Yes, China may have the stereotyped horde of soldiers, but the pacific ocean is still an amazing barrier. The United States navy, in the open water, without fear of land support via missile or air assets, should be able to stem any naval flotilla. US victory.

Combat erupts in a protectorate - e.g. Taiwan. Again, I believe that China's power is exponentially diminished the further away from their homeland the conflict arises. A conflict over Taiwan would be very bloody for the United States, and could easily result in a Chinese victory. Coversly, (and this is pure silly) - if China invaded madagascar, I think the United States would easily be able to beat them back.

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It all comes down to projection and logistics. The United States is very much equipped for a global response - China is not. In my humble opinion, the United States still holds a slight technological edge on China, something quantity cannot negate if China is simply unable to physically move the combat assets around.

Now, if things get ugly and nukes go off -
Meh, it's been nice knowing y'all.


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Currently though, I'd be far more concerned with china trying economic subversion than any real military conflict.

[buck]

Just to point out there xeno, youd also have a few british vessels to help out, not quite the navel power we where, but an extra air craft carrier wouldnt go a miss when defending

*plots the defence of the pacific*

Does anyone have a map...

[Phoenix of Terra]

Although the U.S is massively outnumbered, China would never accomplish an invasion os the US.
Simply for the fact that everyone in the US has a weapon and they will defend themselves if the army cant

But that said like Nigatsu said they wont ever have a war because it would destroy the world .

Actually, China would never be able to invaded the U.S. because, as someone mentioned before, we ahve air superiority.

As for nukes, if this baby (no. 4) can be developed and field approved, who knows if nuclear weapons will have any effect (considering NORAD's satallites should detect any missle launches). There is the issue of power, and it would be most likely need to be shipborne off the Chinese coast in order to have any strategical effect, but considering the air superiority (possible bases on Taiwan) and I don't believe China's navy is much better, so the blockade could fall into place relatively quickly.

Also, there is an army in Korea already deployed. I'd guess the Chinese would aim for South Korea once the blockade fell into place, which might bring the U.N. back in. While the 8th Army begins a delaying action, other U.N. forces deploy behind the line and *BAM* Korean War II.

Without a doubt, China's sheer mass of numbers will push the 8th Army and probably the U.N. back quite a bit. But there supply lines would be vulnerable to air attacks, sanctions/blockades would lower those supplies (and most likely force the civilian population to sever rationing), and most of the leaders would probably be scared that their gains in Korea would not be large enough to impress their people (and that the army wouldn't be close enough to pull back in case of internal "issues"). After all, all you need for a revolution is a disatisfied population, a weakened government, and one nutcase looking for glory. They might try nukes just to send a message, but if the laser I sited above is active (or even the Aegis system) then there is a reasonable chance that the damage might be minimal (:?) or nonexistent (:-))

Yeah, a little idealistic, but meh A couple flaws I can see are the underestimation of China's air/naval forces, the loss of Taiwan and the possible bases there, the lack of U.N. support, the lack of U.N. member support, suprise attacks in Korea preventing the 8th Army from deploying properly, the 8th Army is overwhelmed before reinforcements can come/deploy effectively, the anti-missle systems don't work as well (though this one might provide more willing soldiers/new recruits, though at a terrible cost), and finally, the U.S. responds with nuclear missles. Even my country may not be the shiniest tool in the chest atm, I think a return, or even opening, nuclear salvo could be detrimental beyond repair to the U.S. international and internal respect.

Just one person's opinion.

[Asami Ayano]

I'd say China.

Simply because in China, they want you to die. People can die by the millions and nobody would care.

If 1 million US people died, US government would be overthrown, impeached, and voted out. And peace and surrender would come into play.

US has NEVER had severe casualties before and aren't willing to have them. We have names and honors for everyone who dies. China probably would give the dead men's families the equivalent of $10 and tell them to reproduce like flies.

[Nigatsu_Aka]

Oh, Jack... maybe you wanted to know who will win the first place at this summer olympics:... China or USA.

As most of you know, these 2 countries along with Russian Federation have batteled at the summer olympics for the first place on gold medal rankings every 4 years.

Well, at the last olympic games in Athens, China came on 2nd place after USA. But then they didn`t had experienced atheletes. I think that this year they will win detached, due to the fact that they had nation selections and training camps ever since 2004 and also because they have a great number of athletes to choose from.

IMO.

[buck]

Although the U.S is massively outnumbered, China would never accomplish an invasion os the US.
Simply for the fact that everyone in the US has a weapon and they will defend themselves if the army cant

But that said like Nigatsu said they wont ever have a war because it would destroy the world .

Actually, China would never be able to invaded the U.S. because, as someone mentioned before, we ahve air superiority.

As for nukes, if this baby (no. 4) can be developed and field approved, who knows if nuclear weapons will have any effect (considering NORAD's satallites should detect any missle launches). There is the issue of power, and it would be most likely need to be shipborne off the Chinese coast in order to have any strategical effect, but considering the air superiority (possible bases on Taiwan) and I don't believe China's navy is much better, so the blockade could fall into place relatively quickly.

Also, there is an army in Korea already deployed. I'd guess the Chinese would aim for South Korea once the blockade fell into place, which might bring the U.N. back in. While the 8th Army begins a delaying action, other U.N. forces deploy behind the line and *BAM* Korean War II.

Without a doubt, China's sheer mass of numbers will push the 8th Army and probably the U.N. back quite a bit. But there supply lines would be vulnerable to air attacks, sanctions/blockades would lower those supplies (and most likely force the civilian population to sever rationing), and most of the leaders would probably be scared that their gains in Korea would not be large enough to impress their people (and that the army wouldn't be close enough to pull back in case of internal "issues"). After all, all you need for a revolution is a disatisfied population, a weakened government, and one nutcase looking for glory. They might try nukes just to send a message, but if the laser I sited above is active (or even the Aegis system) then there is a reasonable chance that the damage might be minimal (:?) or nonexistent (:-))

Yeah, a little idealistic, but meh A couple flaws I can see are the underestimation of China's air/naval forces, the loss of Taiwan and the possible bases there, the lack of U.N. support, the lack of U.N. member support, suprise attacks in Korea preventing the 8th Army from deploying properly, the 8th Army is overwhelmed before reinforcements can come/deploy effectively, the anti-missle systems don't work as well (though this one might provide more willing soldiers/new recruits, though at a terrible cost), and finally, the U.S. responds with nuclear missles. Even my country may not be the shiniest tool in the chest atm, I think a return, or even opening, nuclear salvo could be detrimental beyond repair to the U.S. international and internal respect.

Just one person's opinion.

That kind of laser tech your talking about is still quite a way off being effective in much of a sense, mostly due to the fact you cant, as you point out, make something powerful enough and accururate enough, and quick enough...

...Of course id rather such things (call me a radical) wherent able to be made, because of course, nukes are currently a deterent, throw that out the window and will it still be Iran the USA and UK are after...i think now...

[MGZ]

if such a missile defense thing were made into a workable defense grid for the US, pray I'm not the president when it's ready.

I would keep the final stages of development secret so everyone still thinks it's being built up, then nuke somebody who was blatantly aggressive.

[Dr.Evil-voice]I had Iran liquidated you little ****. They were insolent.[/Dr.Evil-voice]

If any other countries tried to nuke us back and the lasers worked I would be laughing my ass off as other countries realized the US had just gained a whole new level of power.

[buck]

Sorry, did you just say Iran are being aggressive...

Are you a complete Lonny Toon? Its us who wants to invade them, Im glad its a 600 million to 1 shot that you may be president...