Vulturing ?

[Azhrei]

I've been wondering alot about this question considering the amount of posts regarding vultures.

If the allians leader of an allians that is currently in a war with some random allians starts to attack others (not in the war ) for naq would it be considering "vulture" for the others that been hit for naq to attack that allians members for naq ?

A & B are at war

suddenly A starts attacking C , D , F for naq
is it ok for C, D, F to attack A's members for naq even if there is a war between A & B or would that be considered vultures ?

Best Regards.

[urogard]

they hit you, you hit them back

it's obvious that if they decdie to farm anyone else, you just go on farming them in return.

[Omega Blade]

THANK YOU MAN.. i was going to open a topic about this myself also.. I was brought into TO/COtO vs DDE\Omega\ALpha war because of this only... One of omega members raided me and half massed me, i hit them back.. then one ass said that his officer ( the guy i hit) was in a war and fully massed me.. Haven't they heard of MESSAGERS.. must be some newbie who bought a good account with cash.. But it was fun in war :p too bad i don't have my account anymore.. (long story)

If any alliances is in war they should nerver hit any1 else outside the war, no matter how low there defence is and how high they have naqs.. only losers who are scared use this to escape from others when in war and when they farm other alliance who are not in war.

[zeekomkommer]

if you do outside atacks then you can expect retaliation, retaliation is not vulturing

[Colos]

I wish everyone would think of it as you.
Colos

[Omega Blade]

if you do outside atacks then you can expect retaliation, retaliation is not vulturing

i knw but when u wake up next morning u get a meesage saying u are a vulture and u lost all ur stats.. thats wat happened to me .. i wonder why people stopped senting messages.. first

[Am Heh]

if you do outside atacks then you can expect retaliation, retaliation is not vulturing

i knw but when u wake up next morning u get a meesage saying u are a vulture and u lost all ur stats.. thats wat happened to me .. i wonder why people stopped senting messages.. first

You hit omega should of expected this.

[| Nemesis |]

Most ppl take the term "vulturing" as a free pass to send out messages to anyone who hits them to get there naq back!

If i`m not mistaken the idea of a war is to make the enemy stat less and to farm him whenever you feel the need to sometimes every turn

So anyway if i see some guy who claims to be in a war attack me or anyone else in my opinion that permits ANYONE from outside the war to attack/raid him for resources should it be profitable. Reason for this is if he has and is prepared to expend resources on attacking others only if its even once he/she should be prepared and accept attacks from outside the war

Also if a player in a war has not been massed attacking them is perfectly fine as the war hasnt started for them yet

I`ve attacked a few ppl in reapers bane for amounts of 20bil naq plus which for some of them is 10 or more hours of there income, all of which has had defences, MS and strikes and most of them send me messages saying "i`m in a war so broker me my naq back" Anyone in that situation to me is one of those noobs looking for that free pass i mentioned!

Notice how they want me to BROKER and not directly send
Also in a war to have stats means that the enemy isnt or prolly isnt fighting back
and unless your winning by a long way who the hell doesnt nox, or increase there realm alert to deprive there enemy of resources?

i`ll give you a good example of what i think vulturing is...

My strike isnt all that big so most of omega i cant touch not by a long way! So say TO etc massed the whole of omega to have no defences what so ever, now if i went and atacked even one omega guy/girl then i would be a vulture, even if he/she had a few hours of naq out the fact i couldnt brea the defence before would mean i am a vulture

For another example would be Neznanec 1v1 I think that if i were to attack Nez now i am not a vulture! Firstly because i`ve looked at Nez a few times and the defence has always been tiny, the account is mostly strike. Secondly because after the war started i`ve seen Nez in the alliance attack logs attacking for naq

This is just my opinion so i wonder how many ppl will agree/disagree

[zeekomkommer]

the only true vulture in this game is lord skye on ascended
my realm name is at war and still he is atacking me quite alot
i don't mind ppl hitting me once if i have alot of naq out
but if they keep doing it then theyare vulturing

and well atacking omega = getting massed, vulture or not, retaliation or not

[Nigatsu_Aka]

IMO, it`s not vulturing.
You can choose to hit back, or you can choose the diplomacy. Someone smart who is in a war would rather accept a temporary ceasefire than to have more enemies; so if you are farmed by someone who is in a war, better aproach them with diplomacy... there is over 50% chanse to accept it. If you hit back instead of messaging, they will do it again and again... and you will end up in a war that you don`t want.

Just what i do and reply to all the players: as long as you have a defense that keeps your naq (and that would be at least 10 times the naq out), you won`t be farmed. If you are not in a war you should build your defense up, there is no reason to keep it down; after all, this is a game of strategy and keeping your naq is part of the strategy. No one will hit you, if the hit isn`t proffitable and they are not at war with you.

And yes... if i hit you, you have the right to hit me back for at least the ammount i took. Do it for less and i will probably mass you... This is how many people think, but some do this mistake and hit back for stupid ammounts, because they couldn`t accept that they got farmed because their defense wasn`t enough. It is a war game indeed, but a war doesn`t necesarily have to be fought using ATs... use all means to avoid it... it`s far more cheaper.

[Juliette]

Vulturing, as I recall it, is a strategy that was previously quite well-accepted. (I remember Mango and other FRA-friends teaching me the trick.)

It is only by the grace of public opinion, or rather, 'powerful' opinion, that it suddenly is considered an evil act. Remember the 'problem' started to be a problem when during the CIA vs. CoP war some people decided they were being hit too much and too easily by people that weren't involved in a war.

Essentially, 'vulturing' has become 'bad' because it damages the pure statistics of war. Since people have become so affectionate with their numbers and the pure statistical results of war (which will never be accurate) they decided it was bad for people to attack 'sideways'. A structural flaw in their thinking was that they ignored the fact that they themselves had to hit others, not in their war, to keep their naquadah supplies secured. Hitting others would open them up to being hit back by an increasing amount of people. Therefore, a powerful group of players decided to act all angry and threatening, using texts like "Oh! You Nub! You Vulture me! I am In War!11! Look on forum nub! ima Massing you!" to cause fear in the hearts of lesser men. Regretfully, and a tear runs down my cheek, people fell for these threats and looked on the forums to find "vultures" defined as "very evil cheaters who attack players who are in war", no less. Bowing their heads in shame and fear, they admitted their wrongdoings and decided to call everyone "vulture" that they were attacked by.
Sad, sad days.. I actually remember this being a wargame.. not one where 'wars' prevented people from attacking others. For crying out loud.. it is a wargame.. global domination can only be achieved by defeating everyone else. Farm like your lives depend on it, for by Jove! they do. Your account needs to farm. It is like your body needing to breathe. Growth needs to come at the expense of everyone else, except your ingame family.



As for the question, it's pointless, as I stipulated before, when A hits anyone, they have to live with hits back, and not get their darned behinds on the forums to whine about it. *points fingers*
If it were as the first option suggests, that would mean A can farm with impunity. That, dear friend, is the clearest BS I ever read aside from some comments elsewhere. Given A's power over the rest of the alphabet is huge, that would be possible.. but given A's power as 'mediocre', one cannot help but wonder at the nerve of people to claim that "they cannot be hit".

Then again.. perhaps I am too Ancient for the kind of whining that is required to make 'vulturing' bad. Lose your def, lose your naq. Whether it is to your enemy in official war, or to your general enemy ingame.. doesn't matter.

[Ra]

THANK YOU MAN.. i was going to open a topic about this myself also.. I was brought into TO/COtO vs DDE\Omega\ALpha war because of this only... One of omega members raided me and half massed me, i hit them back.. then one ass said that his officer ( the guy i hit) was in a war and fully massed me.. Haven't they heard of MESSAGERS.. must be some newbie who bought a good account with cash.. But it was fun in war :p too bad i don't have my account anymore.. (long story)

If any alliances is in war they should nerver hit any1 else outside the war, no matter how low there defence is and how high they have naqs.. only losers who are scared use this to escape from others when in war and when they farm other alliance who are not in war.

You're the only newbie I see.

[REK]

apper on my alliance attack logs u will be massed no questions asked

the who they why and the how dont mean crap to me..

[LTC]

I dont admit the term "vulture"
0 deff = an invite to attack.

[RepliMagni]

You have to accept the consequences of your actions both in here and in RL.

Is the amount of naq worth the potential agro and retaliation you'll get? If yes, then go for it. If not, then don't.

Simple as that - and it is why names count more than defences in this game