China vs the U.S.

[Phoenix of Terra]

Very true. And bringing up Vietnam also brings up another good point, the homefront. I'm assuming the Chinese would be more prepared for huge casualties, but the US and Australia would probably be in an uproar over the huge losses that a ground war would cause.

true, and it seems like the number of "acceptable losses" for us western mindset people has been steadily shrinking over the years. people in the US are outraged at a few (3-4k) killed in the 6-7 years since our expeditions to the middle east began, but in WW2 we took that more casualties than that in one week and kept fighting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kasserine_Pass

I'm pretty sure we took more on D-Day also, which was just 24 hours. I think people have the belief that because our military is as good as it is, we should be able to walk out of any vcampaign we wish with almost no casualties, such as what happened in Desert Shield/Storm. A long, occupation has never been the strong point of militaries, especially when restricted in their actions and ability to react against partisan groups, and in a peace-loving society where every death is magnified by the media.

Sorry, I digress. But the freedom of information has put a face on each of those losses and makes it harder for the American people, compassionate as we are, to turn the other way.

[vinny d]

yes thats true...

i note as an example, a quote i gathered from Wikipedia. This was taken from references on the Battle of Long Tần. Lt. Col. Bob Breen: "just over 100 diggers withstood the best efforts of over 1500 Viet Cong soldiers to kill them."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Long_Tan

this should prove my point. lol this is starting to get to be an interesting topic

Then again, who won the vietnam war?

The VC knew, if they can sacrifice 100 men to kill 1 man, they can win the war. it's not just about strategy, it's about lifestyle and habits too.

First off Vietnam was not a war it was a conflict.
It was the first conflict fought by bureaucrats.
The United States did not lose.
The United States withdrew due to the fact that the American people were disenchanted with the war.
Statistically, we were winning the war.
Also the United States launched no major Invasion of North Vietnam. This is yet again due to the war being fought by bureaucrats.

Now if a War breaks out with China I have to say this. The United States is trained and prepped for war. The Chinese may have a bigger populace but that does not mean anything. Their Military stands at only 2.25 million active troops. So they would have to conscript all of those ravaging hordes. Those ravaging hordes would be poorly trained and poorly equipped. China would be looking like this 1 guy gets a gun, 10 guys run behind him carrying bullets. Their economy would crumble and they would be faced with even more starvation than they are now. Their cities would be destroyed, their infrastructure would be destroyed. America would suffer less due to one simple fact. NO country can invade or bomb us conventionally. They only threat America faces is terrorism and nuclear. In conventional warfare china is going to lose. In nuclear warfare we all lose.

[Phoenix of Terra]

Speaking of the Chinese military, look what I found! Click around, check it out, seems like a bag full of fun

[Gatedialer]

Even in nuclear war, the US still wins.

China has no effective delivery method except for a few shakey ICBMs.

They'd never be able to get a sub close enough, or a plane close enough to launch a cruise missile or to drop bombs.

[HairyMehoff]

Already Made That Point.. This Is Getting Redundant

[Gatedialer]

Already Made That Point.. This Is Getting Redundant

vinny d said that "in nuclear war, we all lose"

[Mathlord]

Yes this is getting redundant...redundant...redundant...broker record much?

So let's now talk about how awesome a war would be with US Abrams, German Leopards, British Challengers and top of the line Russian T tanks on the plains of Western Europe. It would be the Battle of Kursk on acid.

Granted this is without thinking of the horiffic human casualties, so if it could all be fought by computer, that would be great

Then add to that Eurofighters, F-22s and MiGs in one great air battle. Plus the best infantries in the world, etc. etc. etc. Now that would be something to see...again in a movie or a computer game. Otherwise we'd all be dead.

[MGZ]

Jack, you're going to have to provide me a link to that, because I don't know what exactly that is.

[HairyMehoff]

Or The British TITANS. They Kicked Ass In Afghanistan

[HairyMehoff]

It's Not A Tank I Know, But A Very Good All-Terrain Vehicle Nonetheless...

[Phoenix of Terra]

Ok, what's the next speculation we should do?

[HairyMehoff]

omg..havent we already SAVED europe... how do you suppose they beat us?


US vs Canada

[chaisejret]

I dont believe imprising the world by lobbing nukes will happen sonic guns brutalizing the enemy by playing maddona at 3000000000000000000dbs sheeeehabang then ricky martin those earthcore whalesong crap cds etc. etc. is most probably going to be the front while killing a billion people quickly sounds easy it takes a year to kill 60k heads of cattle then theres prisons war camps death camps hard labour farms. No millitary commander has ever said we will look at how we lost and do it again. Nukes did not win the second bloody war nukes lost the smegfger.but while buzzed by all that time it would have taken to kill imprison etc how much weapons will come out.
heres a small list

The GE general electric gattling gun caseless ammunition small round guncotten loader
the only way to garentee no missed target "standard issue"
The night vision nightmare geneticly engeneerd cotten camoflage/flack jacket for night raids hides heat light and george washingtons signatures and doubles during the day as durable tent fabric.
Microwave grenades like emp bombs
Nike airmax four year plan runners for the serious soldier who likes his Jordans.

Ha ah ha "standard issue" after this war will be attached with general econemy tags no one has thought of like
"made in usa beware may contain genetics and or evolutics"
"Known to anabolise recomended daily intake ))))Micro grams"

[HairyMehoff]

i could make very little sense of that spiel... WTH?

[facepie]

how about which countries would fight who if a WW 3 broke out?